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Post by mbeauch on Nov 3, 2012 18:28:32 GMT -8
Red Man + purse = murse
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Post by lovemyipad on Nov 3, 2012 18:43:17 GMT -8
I'm getting minis for three parental units for Christmas. On my planet, we only have two, but good news anyway! LOL!! Spousal unit's + mine = 3 surviving units.
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Post by lovemyipad on Nov 3, 2012 18:45:47 GMT -8
(...)We may even have a "Welcome to the future for the Carons" party :-) LOL -- love it!!!!
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Post by lovemyipad on Nov 3, 2012 19:04:04 GMT -8
RE: Rochdale... They placed an order for shares they couldn't cover. They were hoping for a bounce in the 72 hour cover period to pick up some quick change. They didn't get, and are now BK. Excellent explanation -- thank you!!!
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Post by Mav on Nov 3, 2012 19:17:05 GMT -8
Brokerage generally prevent accounts from imploding if investors/traders go all-in on a single stock.
Rochdale obviously didn't have any such safety net, as restrictive as some of us retail types might find it. The More You Know™ about being smart with leverage, I guess...
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Post by Mav on Nov 3, 2012 19:18:46 GMT -8
Red Man + purse = murse "Manbag"?
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Post by cambrose on Nov 3, 2012 19:19:36 GMT -8
Just ordered 4 minis for the kids and spouses for Christmas. Limit of two per customer so both me and my wife had to order. I think these things are going to be off the charts. Hope they can make them fast enough.
Spent the day with mine instead of the iPad 3 and really diggin' the size and weight. Retina display would make it absolutely perfect. Will be interesting to see which device I gravitate to at home. Mini is definitely going to be the go to device for on the road.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Nov 3, 2012 19:28:40 GMT -8
Red Man + purse = murse "Manbag"? I'm humiliated...hey, I got it in Europe so it's o.k.
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Post by Wile E. Coyote on Nov 3, 2012 19:43:38 GMT -8
I have thought a lot about apple these past few days. Nothing has changed with the fundamentals of apple. Apple is the greatest tech company in the world. They revolutionized many products. Without the iphone would we have smart phones as they are today? Apple is selling a new product and has refreshed most of their product line so the products are actually better now. A new product *the ipad mini* means that they will get money that they would have other wise not gotten. Yet apple is punished for inovating and making wonderful products. Really makes no sense.. Im staying put and not listening to the a** hole analysts who want apple to fail. I am now red for the year and I really really hate the feeling of being underwater, I think apple will recover and by the end of the year apple should be in at least the mid 600s. If apple drops anymore it will have a p/e of 12.. which is just insane Nate, I agree with almost all of your sentiment but you have to stop using the word, "punished." Apple is not being punished; the price of the stock is down. It's not personal, it's business. And someone is making money, it's just not us. But because of your evaluation of apple fundamentals, we should be soon!
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Post by mbeauch on Nov 3, 2012 21:07:38 GMT -8
I'm humiliated...hey, I got it in Europe so it's o.k. Sure it is, as long as you are in Europe.
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Post by qualitywte on Nov 3, 2012 21:22:08 GMT -8
Yeah, punished is for when you do something wrong. Yet, I feel like APPL is somehow being punished. For not exceeding any possible expectations anyone could conceivably imagine?
There are only 2 possible scenarios in which AAPL stock doesn't recover. 1) Another recession happens (given the current economic status, this is unlikely regardless of election). 2) Apple corp. has peaked and growth will stagnate and then gradually taper off as as competitors match Apple's quality, ease of use, customer service, and ecosystem, thus commoditizing smartphones, tablets and PCs. (I guess this is rather unlikely too since Apple has Tim Cook, Jonathon Ive, iTunes, iOS and OSX).
Please tell me if I'm in some sort of denial. Tell me the mini won't be a huge sales success for this holiday season. Tell me iPhone5 won't set new records this quarter. Please tell me so that I can cut my losses and go invest in a solid growth company like Amazon or Google. Oh and while you're at it tell me the Zune will re-"Surface" as a success!
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Post by rosie on Nov 3, 2012 23:26:18 GMT -8
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Post by qualitywte on Nov 4, 2012 4:11:45 GMT -8
Thank you! This part cheers me up... "Here’s a number to contemplate. Currently 15 million China Mobile customers have an iphone that is inoperable with the 3G network of China Mobile, they only use it as a phone. They paid $600 and more for an iphone that does not work on China Mobile’s 3G network because in China it is a very big status thing to have an iphone. What is going to happen when they can purchase an iphone that works with China Mobile’s 4G network?"
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Post by qualitywte on Nov 4, 2012 4:23:42 GMT -8
true confessions time. I used my mini on and off yesterday and was enjoying it so much..great to do emails/imessages, good reader capability, etc. late last evening I tried some of the apps I use that are generated by the companies ...the bank , scottrade, that sort of thing. Because of the level of clarity I'm spoiled by and accustomed to with the iP5 and the iPad3 I was really disappointed. I put the devices side by side on the same apps/pics , etc and decided I wanted a mini w/retina. So I packed it up in its box, printed out return labels, and will return it on Monday. I had also purchased a 12w charger for the iPad3...that had shown up on Monday. Absolutely no increase in charging rate vs. the 10 w, that goes back too. First time I've ever sent anything back to the mothership. I'll be first in line on line when the mini w/retina is released next time around. And soon the new iMacs! i have an iPad2 so not spoiled I guess. I just can't grasp the difference, maybe it is more obvious on the larger screens (I do have iPhone 4S). I notice the $400 price premium for the MB Pro retina over the regular screen. This may be what could squeeze margins on the larger screen devices such as full size iPad.
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Post by Iceage on Nov 4, 2012 4:38:07 GMT -8
Well, I did my part this weekend. I showed off my mini to family/friends and sold three of them. They absolutely loved it. And these are people that don't own an iPad. Tomorrow, it's the iPad mini show at work. That should fetch a few more sales. Now, if AAPL could only reverse, I would feel much better.
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Post by rob_london on Nov 4, 2012 4:40:05 GMT -8
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Post by Iceage on Nov 4, 2012 4:40:40 GMT -8
Here's another take on AAPL: www.aaplbeat.com/the-aapl-nov-2012-low/The valuation low we are looking for is imminent. If you haven’t read my Post-Earnings Analysis where I laid out the parameters for where to expected this low to occur, go read it now. It contains the evidence of why CPE 13.4 was probably not going to hold, and why a low should be expected in the area of CPE 12.6 to CPE 13.0. Well, we are now here. We are exactly at CPE 13.0 as of the end of the day Friday. These levels can best be seen visually on the Daily CPE Chart. Ideally, this coming week we will continue down to the CPE 12.6 area, and reverse hard. I can imagine there are a lot of stops just below last quarter’s low at 570. Taking out that level, triggering a bunch of stops, and then reversing hard, would be the most ideal scenario. But really, a bottom anywhere in this area would be fine. So what’s next? What can we expect after we put in this imminent bottom? You’re probably thinking, “We go back to the valuation range high!â€, right? You might think we’re going to head straight back to 700. Well, not so fast. And I mean that literally. While we will indeed eventually go back to the valuation range high, it won’t be anytime soon. It won’t be this year, and it won’t be this quarter (before next earnings announcement). That will have to wait until next quarter. How do I know that? Because AAPL has never traveled from the valuation range low to the valuation range high in the same quarter. Look for yourself at the past two years on the Valuation Range Chart. The valuation range low in Nov 2011 didn’t result in a move to the valuation range high until March 2012, well into the next quarter. The valuation range low in May 2012 didn’t result in a move to the valuation range high until September 2012, again well into the next quarter. I’ve gone back several years. Never, after trading near the 1-year valuation range low has AAPL rallied to the valuation range high in the same quarter. You might say to me, “But after Nov 2012, AAPL did make new highs in early Jan.†And I would reply reminding you that you should be looking at the valuation range channel, not price alone. It’s the valuation range that matters! AAPL only quickly moves to a previous price high quickly during a quarter where earnings growth is strong and the slope of the CPE lines are steep. In such a quarter, price does need to continue rising quickly just to keep up with CPE valuation. And while it’s rising quickly in price, it is making little headway within the valuation range channel. The rally off the Nov 2011 low was such a situation. Go look at that again on the Valuation Range Chart. And then notice that we don’t have those conditions this year. OK, now that we’ve dispelled with the expectation of returning to 700 quickly, what can we expect? In short, we can expect AAPL to trade the rest of the year in the lower portion of the valuation range. In other words, expect this whole quarter to be a low valuation quarter. Look at the Daily CPE Chart, and review what happened after the May low, as an example. AAPL rallied quickly off the CPE 12.6 level, but ran into strong resistance at CPE 14.0. It spent several weeks bumping up against that valuation resistance level before finally pushing through, up to CPE 14.6. That’s roughly what I expect to happen again this time. After we see where the bottom occurs, we can talk more about what CPE levels may define the trading range for the rest of the year. As an initial rough estimate, the expectation should be for price to largely remain within the CPE 13.4 to 14.0 area for most or all of the rest of the year, with peaks no higher than the CPE 14.6 area. We can fine tune that expectation after we see where the bottom occurs and how the first rally off that bottom looks. I’ll also provide more evidence as to why we should expect valuation levels to remain under pressure the rest of the year. While it is true that almost anything is possible, and anything can indeed happen, we are most interested in what is most probable. What we expect should be what is most probable.
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Post by mbeauch on Nov 4, 2012 6:00:36 GMT -8
Am I the only one who dreads tomorrow ?
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Post by alice on Nov 4, 2012 6:18:55 GMT -8
Me too.
Ex dividend date is Nov. 7th. Hope it helps.
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Post by Iceage on Nov 4, 2012 6:25:20 GMT -8
Am I the only one who dreads tomorrow ? I've been dreading tomorrow for the last two weeks.
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Post by nagrani on Nov 4, 2012 6:39:51 GMT -8
Mark, don't fear my old friend. This is a movie you have seen before. Their may be some morning sickness but most of the puking is now over.
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Post by mbeauch on Nov 4, 2012 6:59:34 GMT -8
Mark, don't fear my old friend. This is a movie you have seen before. Their may be some morning sickness but most of the puking is now over. Hi Nagrani, good to see you. We shall see, I am really concerned about the S&P.
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Post by wolverine on Nov 4, 2012 6:59:46 GMT -8
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Post by wimvlb on Nov 4, 2012 7:17:19 GMT -8
Am I the only one that is excited about the seemingly deliberate gap that was created in the product calendar in March...Apple will announce something ...maybe it is a TV , maybe it is streaming audio, maybe a new car interface...not sure what it is going to be but it is going to be big... It is inconceivable that Apple will not have an event until the fall of 2013. As rumors will start leaking about the new product , ( Gene Munster, you are up ) , hype will reach a feverish pitch and momentum will shift . Add to this great earnings in q1 and q2 and life should be good around springtime...
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Post by rutgersguy92 on Nov 4, 2012 8:25:35 GMT -8
Could Friday's price action be considered an anomoly, due to the Richdale situation? Price action looked pretty typical, until about 1:00 PM when price dropped from 590 to 575 over 3 hours. The overall market being down may have had something to do with the initial negative performance (down around $6.50, or about 1%+), but things really went downhill after 1PM.
Would be nice to think that the drop though the 200-day SMA was due to traders smelling blood in the water, than anything to do with AAPL's technicals. Not sure why support didn't kick in at the 200-day (in the high 580's) - or maybe it did, since price hugged 590 for first half of trading; we also got a bounce at 580, which may have been mutual funds stepping in, or perhaps a bull trap.
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Post by appledoc on Nov 4, 2012 8:58:20 GMT -8
Could Friday's price action be considered an anomoly, due to the Richdale situation? Price action looked pretty typical, until about 1:00 PM when price dropped from 590 to 575 over 3 hours. The overall market being down may have had something to do with the initial negative performance (down around $6.50, or about 1%+), but things really went downhill after 1PM. Would be nice to think that the drop though the 200-day SMA was due to traders smelling blood in the water, than anything to do with AAPL's technicals. Not sure why support didn't kick in at the 200-day (in the high 580's) - or maybe it did, since price hugged 590 for first half of trading; we also got a bounce at 580, which may have been mutual funds stepping in, or perhaps a bull trap. This Richdale issue seems overblown to me. A million shares? Who cares? That's less than 6% of our daily volume over the last three months. Is that really worthy of shaving ~$15B off the market cap?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 9:15:40 GMT -8
Am I the only one who dreads tomorrow ? Might be. I'm on a self imposed investment sabbatical. Been out for about a month. The earliest I expect to get back is this Thursday. If my time frame was greater than January 2014 I wouldn't be worrying about it at all. Less than January 2013 would make me nervous, and everything in between cautious.
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Post by seabiscuit on Nov 4, 2012 9:18:12 GMT -8
When there is blood in the streets it is time to buy. With Apple's valuation down - funds that are restricted to not exceeding a certain percentage of investements in one individual stock will be able to load up on Apple. If was a major instituitional investor I would be thinking where do I invest for the rest of the year. I would come out in favor of Apple.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 9:20:10 GMT -8
Bosco wasn't/isn't anywhere near that smart. He was an idiot then, and he's an idiot now. I am not name calling. I'm making a value judgement.
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Post by Lstream on Nov 4, 2012 9:36:22 GMT -8
Bosco wasn't/isn't anywhere near that smart. He was an idiot then, and he's an idiot now. I am not name calling. I'm making a value judgement. Ya, this guy and others like him have been predicting doom and gloom for Apple for years now. Back to when the stock was a fraction of what it is now. He has some kind of blind-rage hatred of Steve Jobs and Apple. Some day, the Apple story may slow down and the company's great run might be over at that time. Then in spite of being wrong for years, he/they will gloat that they were right once. That will never make up for being wrong for years. but this reality will not shut this type of clown up.
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