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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 22:46:36 GMT -8
All hands on deck, it's time to give this sleeping Leviathan a wake up call.
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Post by Mav on Nov 11, 2012 23:00:32 GMT -8
9:30AM EST should be interesting...could be a sleepier day of trading with the Veterans' Day holiday and all.
Nothing looks to prop up or weigh down the markets much (aside from QE3)...so, possible moment of truth?
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Post by rosie on Nov 11, 2012 23:05:52 GMT -8
I can almost see GREEN peace watching out for our giant rising for air.....
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Post by Mav on Nov 11, 2012 23:23:47 GMT -8
Greenpeace? Given their anti-AAPL bent...nnno. (/Steve Jobs)
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Post by rosie on Nov 12, 2012 0:15:28 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Nov 12, 2012 0:50:26 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 1:02:52 GMT -8
1st PM print at $550
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Post by flyonthewall on Nov 12, 2012 1:58:22 GMT -8
Had to share this with you. Would like to see this today! Attachments:
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Post by benoir on Nov 12, 2012 2:33:30 GMT -8
...like a time warp back to mid-March 2012
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Post by rob_london on Nov 12, 2012 3:52:12 GMT -8
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Post by fas550 on Nov 12, 2012 4:25:20 GMT -8
Not endorsing the site but this is a pretty good article on High Frequency Trading (HFT) and how it affects the daily markets. Certainly made me think a while: Answered many questions we ask all day long like why are we going down even when valuations look crazy. "There is no interest in actually owning a company's stock. The game is to sell it on..." The EO may not be a person or group after all but a pesky set of algorithms that have increased in presence (now 70% of daily trades). Why using big block trades are no longer a useful sign of anything. They do happen but not with the level of frequency as in the past. "˜Institutional investors today know the moment they begin to trade a large position at one price, it will likely be detected by software, which may then effectively front-run the order." Note to self: find out how an algorithm on human behavior in the context of trading works. Reverse engineer it to exploit what it is looking for and how it operates given various input. Like many things: a human Behavior Algorithm could be a fancy tech term to attract uniformed buyers and the concept or operation is quite simple. The complexity is probably in the actual trades and not in the conditions that trigger the trades. On the other hand it could be as complex as an ant city gathering data from a multitude and multi-layer of sources. www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/09/16/robot-wars-how-high-frequency-trading-changed-global-markets/
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Post by wheeles on Nov 12, 2012 4:48:11 GMT -8
Note to self: find out how an algorithm on human behavior in the context of trading works. Reverse engineer it to exploit what it is looking for and how it operates given various input. Or you could just draw a trend line.
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Post by phoebear611 on Nov 12, 2012 4:55:15 GMT -8
Ok fellas - which is the initial key level we need to take and hold above "at a minimum." to get a tiny blip on the heart monitor?
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Post by phoebear611 on Nov 12, 2012 4:59:22 GMT -8
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Post by fas550 on Nov 12, 2012 5:16:34 GMT -8
Note to self: find out how an algorithm on human behavior in the context of trading works. Reverse engineer it to exploit what it is looking for and how it operates given various input. Or you could just draw a trend line. Yes that may help but I am looking for a bit more resolution into the variables that cause the trend line.
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Post by wheeles on Nov 12, 2012 5:36:38 GMT -8
Or you could just draw a trend line. Yes that may help but I am looking for a bit more resolution into the variables that cause the trend line. OK, throw in some moving averages and bands. When you start thinking about trading algorithms you have to appreciate that more than one is in play. Also, they don't necessarily run all the time. As a result you'll spend a lot of time scratching your head trying to come up with some sort of unified theory of trading. I've been on this search for several years now and as you add more complexity, there comes a point when you have to simplify to fully get a handle on things. You end up with a collection of observations that tend to repeat. Ultimately, what you seek is a set of tradable rules of the kind: if X happens, then a certain move is likely to happen, so do Y. Even when you think you've got it worked out, a load of news will come out or a bureaucrat will utter some vague promise, and that will blow your well-considered trading plans right out of the water. There is no Holy Grail of trading. All you can do is equip yourself with enough of these rules to cover most eventualities, and then follow them. Getting the rules is actually quite easy. Following them is the hard part.
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Post by fas550 on Nov 12, 2012 6:10:17 GMT -8
Yes that may help but I am looking for a bit more resolution into the variables that cause the trend line. OK, throw in some moving averages and bands. When you start thinking about trading algorithms you have to appreciate that more than one is in play. Also, they don't necessarily run all the time. As a result you'll spend a lot of time scratching your head trying to come up with some sort of unified theory of trading. I've been on this search for several years now and as you add more complexity, there comes a point when you have to simplify to fully get a handle on things. You end up with a collection of observations that tend to repeat. Ultimately, what you seek is a set of tradable rules of the kind: if X happens, then a certain move is likely to happen, so do Y. Even when you think you've got it worked out, a load of news will come out or a bureaucrat will utter some vague promise, and that will blow your well-considered trading plans right out of the water. There is no Holy Grail of trading. All you can do is equip yourself with enough of these rules to cover most eventualities, and then follow them. Getting the rules is actually quite easy. Following them is the hard part. Thanks that's helpful. I am looking at this research as more of a hobby than a necessity. I have access to some pretty smart freelance developers and my first stop is to ask them if they know of or who has done this. Well see...
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Post by Rupert on Nov 12, 2012 6:21:05 GMT -8
Resistance/Support Monday 11/12/2012
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Post by spoonman on Nov 12, 2012 6:35:56 GMT -8
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Post by jdrizzo89 on Nov 12, 2012 6:48:50 GMT -8
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Post by wheeles on Nov 12, 2012 6:54:26 GMT -8
It's probably true. It's not really a stretch to think that there will be iPhone refreshes every so often. When one is launched there are probably 2 or 3 subsequent models in the pipeline.
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Post by The Big Toe on Nov 12, 2012 7:00:50 GMT -8
It's probably true. It's not really a stretch to think that there will be iPhone refreshes every so often. When one is launched there are probably 2 or 3 subsequent models in the pipeline. Great, now you have people waiting for the iPhone 6s to come out.
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Post by greedynoob on Nov 12, 2012 7:03:23 GMT -8
It's probably true. It's not really a stretch to think that there will be iPhone refreshes every so often. When one is launched there are probably 2 or 3 subsequent models in the pipeline. Kind of like the articles touting as news the rumors that Apple is working on putting OS X on ARM. OF COURSE they'd have internal builds of OS X running on ARM, duh, and it means absolutely nothing for near-term products.
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Post by Mav on Nov 12, 2012 7:09:56 GMT -8
iPhone 5S? SHOCKER
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Post by rob_london on Nov 12, 2012 7:17:15 GMT -8
An all to familiar share price action for the first 30-45 minutes.
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Post by jdrizzo89 on Nov 12, 2012 7:17:30 GMT -8
Anyone think they will start doing 6 month product refreshes for iphones too? Since they already did with the Ipad and all..
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Nov 12, 2012 7:18:22 GMT -8
Thinner, faster, sleeker......mixes drinks.... I would be surprised if the iphone 6s was not working its way through design metrics right now....
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Post by wheeles on Nov 12, 2012 7:21:42 GMT -8
Thinner, faster, sleeker......mixes drinks.... I would be surprised if the iphone 6s was not working its way through design metrics right now.... Agreed. The lead time on these products is not weeks, but many months if not a couple of years.
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Post by darrenhd on Nov 12, 2012 7:24:47 GMT -8
An all to familiar share price action for the first 30-45 minutes. Yes...sigh. I wonder when this bear raid effort will cease, if ever.
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Post by hellojapan on Nov 12, 2012 7:25:42 GMT -8
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a new iPhone sooner than many expect. There is a huge hole in Apple's current product launch schedule due to the earlier than expected iPad refresh. Why not move the iPhone launch back to Spring? There was a reason that Apple's original schedule was to launch the iPhone in June of every year. At the very least it gives more time to work out supply issues before the holiday season.
I also expect Samsung to release their next flagship phone in the Spring, and maybe Apple would rather go head-to-head with that rather than giving Samsung ~6 months of being 'the next big thing' and letting them build hype and momentum in the echo chamber all by themselves. With a new iPhone in the spring, Apple will take the lions share of that attention.
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