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Post by macziggy on Dec 6, 2012 15:20:13 GMT -8
This video calms me after a day like this. I don't think anyone died! DRIVING IN RUSSIAThanks...fantastically funny!!! Only in Russia!
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Post by bribery on Dec 6, 2012 15:21:41 GMT -8
I don't know. It could have very well been an order in the air in case there was an agreement with CM.
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Post by JDSoCal on Dec 6, 2012 15:24:40 GMT -8
I think we have to go up 10 or 15 tomorrow to inflict max pain. What say you, JD? Current numbers come out some time after 7 PT/10 ET. But as I said on Wed, I doubt the MM's want to pay off all those puts. Don't get me wrong, I've been taking those little short breaths the last few days too. But a Thursday rally when we are way below pain range makes sense. More than once the last few months, pain has saved us rather than hurt us. Of course, I'd still like to kill weeklies and those who trade them. EDIT: My guess is it's 545-549.99..
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Post by osx10 on Dec 6, 2012 15:25:16 GMT -8
America's favorite double-talker Jim Cramer about to discuss Apple on CNBC
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Post by macziggy on Dec 6, 2012 15:28:13 GMT -8
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 6, 2012 15:28:25 GMT -8
First - this tweet went out this evening for those you like to know what he's chatting about:
FITZSTOCK2004 like to see rally to 555-560 area $AAPL FAIL, then retest 520 (or maybe another higher low of 525-530), then "W V" pattern will be in play
Second: I haven't confirmed this HOWEVER someone just tweeted this: Douglas Blake BREAKING: Cor Clearing goes from 60% down to 40% margin requirement on $AAPL
It's getting comical out there if it wasn't hurting my pocket so much
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 6, 2012 15:35:43 GMT -8
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Post by aapl4kiki on Dec 6, 2012 15:43:56 GMT -8
First - this tweet went out this evening for those you like to know what he's chatting about: FITZSTOCK2004 like to see rally to 555-560 area $AAPL FAIL, then retest 520 (or maybe another higher low of 525-530), then "W V" pattern will be in play Second: I haven't confirmed this HOWEVER someone just tweeted this: Douglas Blake BREAKING: Cor Clearing goes from 60% down to 40% margin requirement on $AAPL It's getting comical out there if it wasn't hurting my pocket so much Let me get this straight. They increased it for a couple days - chased retail out - then dropped it back down? Scoundrels.
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 6, 2012 16:01:56 GMT -8
I haven't confirmed it - the original increase WAS confirmed but am trying to find out if this one is true altho I saw a few tweets on it already...it really is absurd!
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Post by artman1033 on Dec 6, 2012 16:33:40 GMT -8
The Howard Mintz liveblog of Apple VS. Samesong can be found HERE
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Post by hellojapan on Dec 6, 2012 17:05:17 GMT -8
The Howard Mintz liveblog of Apple VS. Samesong can be found HEREThanks for the link. Judge Koh said she wants to be done with the case before the end of the year.
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Post by Mav on Dec 6, 2012 17:11:00 GMT -8
DAX over 7500? What am I missing about this Euro market rally?
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Post by JDSoCal on Dec 6, 2012 17:19:35 GMT -8
The Howard Mintz liveblog of Apple VS. Samesong can be found HEREThanks for the link. Judge Koh said she wants to be done with the case before the end of the year. Actually, Like I said, geologic time. Orders on the installment plan.
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Post by rutgersguy92 on Dec 6, 2012 17:28:53 GMT -8
First - this tweet went out this evening for those you like to know what he's chatting about: FITZSTOCK2004 like to see rally to 555-560 area $AAPL FAIL, then retest 520 (or maybe another higher low of 525-530), then "W V" pattern will be in play Second: I haven't confirmed this HOWEVER someone just tweeted this: Douglas Blake BREAKING: Cor Clearing goes from 60% down to 40% margin requirement on $AAPL It's getting comical out there if it wasn't hurting my pocket so much I was going thru Fitz's tweets today. and at approx. 10:15AM, he said ""$aapl 552...Don't rule it out." About an hour later, he tweets "More upside tomorrow". (And Scott Redler took some home tonight, as well.) But he then tweets soon after "after a rally to 555 area, in $aapl...look for a retest of these lows...next week" which is what he's saying above. Another tweet: "Teranova still bullish $aapl...expect today's lows to be re-tested next week. "556-557 is the 50% fib of this last %aapl selloff...i expect that to be MAJOR RESISTANCE, and also expect today's lows to be tested next week." Probably due to OE.
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Post by JDSoCal on Dec 6, 2012 17:47:05 GMT -8
BTW, since TV came up today, here's why it is "an area of intense interest" for Apple: People still sit in front of the boob tube. It's about those eyeballs, not hardware margins. In related non-news, mobile is murdering the Web.
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Post by hellojapan on Dec 6, 2012 17:54:47 GMT -8
Thanks for the link. Judge Koh said she wants to be done with the case before the end of the year. Actually, Like I said, geologic time. Orders on the installment plan. Huh. I didn't see that one. That's too bad. A later post, the one I noted, said " Judge Koh now has hearing in hyperdrive. Blowing through issues, says she wants to be done with this before 2013. We may get home in time for dinner afterall...by hmintz 7:13 PM"
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 6, 2012 17:55:49 GMT -8
First - this tweet went out this evening for those you like to know what he's chatting about: FITZSTOCK2004 like to see rally to 555-560 area $AAPL FAIL, then retest 520 (or maybe another higher low of 525-530), then "W V" pattern will be in play Second: I haven't confirmed this HOWEVER someone just tweeted this: Douglas Blake BREAKING: Cor Clearing goes from 60% down to 40% margin requirement on $AAPL It's getting comical out there if it wasn't hurting my pocket so much I was going thru Fitz's tweets today. and at approx. 10:15AM, he said ""$aapl 552...Don't rule it out." About an hour later, he tweets "More upside tomorrow". (And Scott Redler took some home tonight, as well.) But he then tweets soon after "after a rally to 555 area, in $aapl...look for a retest of these lows...next week" which is what he's saying above. Another tweet: "Teranova still bullish $aapl...expect today's lows to be re-tested next week. "556-557 is the 50% fib of this last %aapl selloff...i expect that to be MAJOR RESISTANCE, and also expect today's lows to be tested next week." Probably due to OE. And Rutgers - I think Avi may also be in that court but need to confirm with Lovey on that. If that's the case - who the hell am I to argue...oh and one other thing...I think they all think that it becomes a rip to the upside from there - but again - let's confirm with iPad (Fitz does). I just checked and it looks like unless we can get thru the 575-576 area with good volume, the above scenario plays out...but if we get thru...then ;D So again, it is a IF/THEN scenario and we will have to let the market Gods guide us.
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Post by tuffett on Dec 6, 2012 18:14:05 GMT -8
The Howard Mintz liveblog of Apple VS. Samesong can be found HEREThank you. It's not looking good for Apple. The damages amount is clearly going down and the wilfullness judgement is looking unlikely. Injunctions look extremely unlikely as well.
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Post by rickag on Dec 6, 2012 18:22:05 GMT -8
How is a 4 to 1 split price manipulation? Why do a split and buy back if not to affect the price? EDIT: Buying 1/10th of the float is in part to reduce the supply of shares. It's through manipulation of the float that AMZN is squeezed upwards. I believe I misunderstood the original post. I assumed only the reference to a 4 to 1 split was attributed to Scott. But the reference to the buy back was an aside added by appledoc. Hence, my question why a split (I meant by itself) would be manipulation. I do understand how a buy back would be manipulation, less shares = higher prices, except Apple's buy back isn't to be for reducing the amount of stock but to stabilize the amount as they issue stock options to their employees. I'll add that I still don't understand what 1/10th of the float means. Maybe it would help if I knew what Scott actually said, did he also say Apple should do a buy back? Color me hopelessly confused.
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Post by terps530 on Dec 6, 2012 18:25:25 GMT -8
First - this tweet went out this evening for those you like to know what he's chatting about: FITZSTOCK2004 like to see rally to 555-560 area $AAPL FAIL, then retest 520 (or maybe another higher low of 525-530), then "W V" pattern will be in play Second: I haven't confirmed this HOWEVER someone just tweeted this: Douglas Blake BREAKING: Cor Clearing goes from 60% down to 40% margin requirement on $AAPL It's getting comical out there if it wasn't hurting my pocket so much Let me get this straight. They increased it for a couple days - chased retail out - then dropped it back down? Scoundrels. if this is the truth, i hope they get shut down for pulling such BS like that.
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Post by terps530 on Dec 6, 2012 18:32:48 GMT -8
Why do a split and buy back if not to affect the price? EDIT: Buying 1/10th of the float is in part to reduce the supply of shares. It's through manipulation of the float that AMZN is squeezed upwards. I believe I misunderstood the original post. I assumed only the reference to a 4 to 1 split was attributed to Scott. But the reference to the buy back was an aside added by appledoc. Hence, my question why a split (I meant by itself) would be manipulation. I do understand how a buy back would be manipulation, less shares = higher prices, except Apple's buy back isn't to be for reducing the amount of stock but to stabilize the amount as they issue stock options to their employees. I'll add that I still don't understand what 1/10th of the float means. Maybe it would help if I knew what Scott actually said, did he also say Apple should do a buy back? Color me hopelessly confused. I think he meant it would be manipulation, because by doing the split, nothing changes in regards to market cap or the value of the total amount of shares, so it would be 'manipulating' the retail investors to make it look more appealing and cheaper, when actually it was the same price. and in regards to the float, well the float is the portion of outstanding shares that are trading on the open market. So a buyback of 1/10 of the float is a HUGE amount of shares to be purchased. Thus kind of like you said, if apple ate up all those shares, it would force, and somewhat manipulate, the price to have to go up, since remaining shares would be more in demand now. i think
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Post by mstefa on Dec 6, 2012 18:53:23 GMT -8
Help me out about the buyback: company has float of 100 shares at 1$ each, 100$ cap is 10$ cash plus 90 in assets Company buys 10 shares to retire, now has 90 shares float, no cash and 90$ in assets.. Share still worth 1$ Unless PE changes, no appreciation of stock price can happen.. Is this flawed argument?
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Post by po1nt on Dec 6, 2012 19:17:14 GMT -8
Help me out about the buyback: company has float of 100 shares at 1$ each, 100$ cap is 10$ cash plus 90 in assets Company buys 10 shares to retire, now has 90 shares float, no cash and 90$ in assets.. Share still worth 1$ Unless PE changes, no appreciation of stock price can happen.. Is this flawed argument? If the stock is "undervalued" then in theory it's worth more than just the cash. Thus the net a value SHOULD be worth more. Especially since the shares should appreciate more than the cash will. Also less shares=higher EPS.
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 6, 2012 19:35:25 GMT -8
"Our role is to give you something you didn't know you wanted & then once you get it, you can't imagine your life without it" ~ Tim Cook to Brian Williams tonight It's so hard not to get emotionally connected to this company and to this management...which makes it all the more difficult to trade it.
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Post by cbingle on Dec 6, 2012 19:47:44 GMT -8
Yep. I have owned the stock for 4 years, and I am in love all over again after watching that interview. There is no company comparison. Period.
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Post by JDSoCal on Dec 6, 2012 19:51:07 GMT -8
As I suspected, pain range is 545-549.99, but just barely.
Stk Calls Puts 530 1,478 6,349 535 2,664 6,626 540 3,755 6,787 545 5,096 5,968 550 9,441 7,494 555 7,284 4,793 560 10,696 5,400
Let's hope the lemmings don't buy a bunch of 545 calls in the morning.
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Post by mark on Dec 6, 2012 20:00:42 GMT -8
As an aside, I do think AAPL investors have until the last few months been able to buy and forget. Now we are in a regime where things swing about more and it is causing no end of grief. It is worth pointing out that a lot of other stocks swing about too. It's just that most of us aren't watching them day-in, day-out so think it is specific to just AAPL. In truth, if it's only stock you are buying, and not options, you can still buy and forget. Unless the dividend every quarter reminds you about it
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Post by aapl4kiki on Dec 6, 2012 20:02:41 GMT -8
I was going thru Fitz's tweets today. and at approx. 10:15AM, he said ""$aapl 552...Don't rule it out." About an hour later, he tweets "More upside tomorrow". (And Scott Redler took some home tonight, as well.) But he then tweets soon after "after a rally to 555 area, in $aapl...look for a retest of these lows...next week" which is what he's saying above. Another tweet: "Teranova still bullish $aapl...expect today's lows to be re-tested next week. "556-557 is the 50% fib of this last %aapl selloff...i expect that to be MAJOR RESISTANCE, and also expect today's lows to be tested next week." Probably due to OE. And Rutgers - I think Avi may also be in that court but need to confirm with Lovey on that. If that's the case - who the hell am I to argue...oh and one other thing...I think they all think that it becomes a rip to the upside from there - but again - let's confirm with iPad (Fitz does). I just checked and it looks like unless we can get thru the 575-576 area with good volume, the above scenario plays out...but if we get thru...then ;D So again, it is a IF/THEN scenario and we will have to let the market Gods guide us. So...through 575-ish sometime next week or we rinse-repeat these lows?
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Post by lance on Dec 6, 2012 20:03:32 GMT -8
Great job by Tim Cook on all the questions. He sounded great and my fav line was when he said don't bet against us to Brian. just annoying when NBC wasted over a minute of an important interview showing samsung adds instead of showing more of what Tim said.
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Post by prazan on Dec 6, 2012 20:05:11 GMT -8
This video calms me after a day like this. I don't think anyone died! DRIVING IN RUSSIACompletely OT but it's late and I know something about this first hand. Driving in the former Soviet block countries is dangerous for many reasons, chief among them the mix of old and slow Soviet era cars (Ladas, old Skodas, Wartburgs) with fast Western models, so cars going 80 are traveling with cars going 40. Lots of swerves and sudden braking. In Russia, add to this a fondness for vodka. Oh, and terrible weather. And crappy roads. And lots of folks who really don't give a f***.
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