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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 10, 2012 14:34:43 GMT -8
Are you stating that because you know or because you are guessing ? I have no idea - that's pretty big for the usual end of day stuff, no? I didn't hear anything about a program at the bell either. But if you know for sure then great.
PS It was not on a downtick or uptick - seems it was crossed so not really sure what it was - Mav may be correct...or wrong...dunno
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Post by appledoc on Dec 10, 2012 14:53:44 GMT -8
Really, not as bad of a day as it could have been. The 534 level proved to be difficult, but holding around 526 was a win. I still think we go lower though.
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Post by Tetrachloride on Dec 10, 2012 15:06:58 GMT -8
The pushback in the headlines about AAPL catastrophe was strong, especially for the year ahead. That said, EPS estimates for Q1 vary mainly due to iPhone unit sales.
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Post by rob_london on Dec 10, 2012 15:11:41 GMT -8
P/E of 12.00 and dividend of 2.00% right here. These things don't matter. You're better off not worrying about it. The machines ended the day exactly on those round numbers...
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Post by Mav on Dec 10, 2012 15:13:03 GMT -8
Are you stating that because you know or because you are guessing ? I have no idea - that's pretty big for the usual end of day stuff, no? I didn't hear anything about a program at the bell either. But if you know for sure then great. PS It was not on a downtick or uptick - seems it was crossed so not really sure what it was - Mav may be correct...or wrong...dunno No, it was a question. One transaction by one entity for that many shares at the close, really?, is what I was wondering. Because I've seen the NASDAQ online order book show multi-hundred-thousands numbers for "last trades" before IIRC. Remember, I'm a total "outsider"/retail trader here, so stuff relating to the inner workings of the market, I can never and will never profess to know.
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Post by appleiie on Dec 10, 2012 15:21:37 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Dec 10, 2012 15:31:04 GMT -8
AAPL is a tremendously crowded trade. So I'd say this is a definite factor. Depending on tax brackets there are real implications for those much higher than my tax bracket to consider. 5% or more for long-term cap gains possibly, add on 3.8% on investment income for those gains, that's not pocket change whatever your politics.
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Post by rob_london on Dec 10, 2012 15:32:28 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Dec 10, 2012 15:35:26 GMT -8
Redler says:
Disagree with the first sentence. The markets have never been in negative territory for the year with the exception of the Dow, briefly, in June. Considering world macroeconomics and such, that's not pressure at all. Call it "retrace off the highs" or something if measuring from September.
What do I know, but I'm thinking you gotta go even more micro and just stick to price action/levels. If AAPL doesn't break below 505ish, all may still be "well". But AAPL is still a bunch of the NASDAQ and a star member of the SPX. So I'm assuming AAPL is a leading indicator.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 15:41:52 GMT -8
Don't know what to think about that number - it's not exactly earth shattering for a network with 260 million subscribers.
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Post by Mav on Dec 10, 2012 15:45:40 GMT -8
For context, you gotta have the year-ago compare...
...which might not exist, per a quick archive search for stuff on the 4S's initial reception in China.
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Post by wheeles on Dec 10, 2012 15:56:52 GMT -8
Redler says: Disagree with the first sentence. The markets have never been in negative territory for the year with the exception of the Dow, briefly, in June. Considering world macroeconomics and such, that's not pressure at all. Call it "retrace off the highs" or something if measuring from September. What do I know, but I'm thinking you gotta go even more micro and just stick to price action/levels. If AAPL doesn't break below 505ish, all may still be "well". But AAPL is still a bunch of the NASDAQ and a star member of the SPX. So I'm assuming AAPL is a leading indicator. Zerohedge seems to think it's down to funds unwinding long AAPL, short index pair trades. If that is the case, then will we see AAPL go up as the market goes down?
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Post by wheeles on Dec 10, 2012 15:59:13 GMT -8
847,855 shares traded at $529.77 at the bell on an uptick - fyi Usually that is a lot, but more recently it's been between 400k to 1.5M on the last bar of my 2m chart.
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Post by bribery on Dec 10, 2012 16:00:52 GMT -8
Is this a positive number? In the US would be total crap. Comments?
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Post by Mav on Dec 10, 2012 16:04:11 GMT -8
847,855 shares traded at $529.77 at the bell on an uptick - fyi Usually that is a lot, but more recently it's been between 400k to 1.5M on the last bar of my 2m chart. That's what I mean. Last-second trading by a bunch of participants or one big trade. It's always seemed like the first one to me.
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Post by tuffett on Dec 10, 2012 16:06:40 GMT -8
Considering a 50M quarter is over 500,000 iPhones a day, 300,000 for all of China over a few days is not good.
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Post by Mav on Dec 10, 2012 16:12:52 GMT -8
Reservations (see what's required). Context (anti-scalper, no year-ago comparisons). Please, people!
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Post by wheeles on Dec 10, 2012 16:15:49 GMT -8
Usually that is a lot, but more recently it's been between 400k to 1.5M on the last bar of my 2m chart. That's what I mean. Last-second trading by a bunch of participants or one big trade. It's always seemed like the first one to me. Typically they will be Market-On-Close and Limit-On-Close type orders. The way it works is that 15 minutes or so before the close, funds submit their end of day orders to the exchange. Some will be market orders and others limit orders. The market orders are looking to buy or sell as close to the closing price as possible. The limit price orders will execute at the specified price or better at the close. If there is a big imbalance between buys and sells with the market orders, then the price shifts in that time to reflect that imbalance. This move brings in more LOC orders into eligibility in an attempt to match up with the market orders. This is how a run day will invariably close at the high of the day.
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Post by tuffett on Dec 10, 2012 16:16:46 GMT -8
Reservations (see what's required). Context (anti-scalper, no year-ago comparisons). Please, people! Sorry. Is it different from the pre-ordering system we get in North America? I wasn't aware.
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Post by Mav on Dec 10, 2012 16:19:24 GMT -8
tuffett: It's quite a bit different. Easily Googled up.
wheeles: Insightful. Thanks.
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Post by fas550 on Dec 10, 2012 16:35:52 GMT -8
Reservations (see what's required). Context (anti-scalper, no year-ago comparisons). Please, people! Also Chinese New Year is Feb 12 2013. Maybe a little early to be buying presents ;-)
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Post by newton on Dec 10, 2012 17:31:04 GMT -8
It looks like every analyst is predicting that Apple will beat Q1 guidance. I hope that the stock can hold up until then. If individual investors start running for the exit now, the situation will get real ugly.
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Post by roni on Dec 10, 2012 17:44:41 GMT -8
It looks like every analyst is predicting that Apple will beat Q1 guidance. I hope that the stock can hold up until then. If individual investors start running for the exit now, the situation will get real ugly. Please to tell us when Apple has not beat its own guidance. Please to tell us what is Apple's guidance for current quarter. thanks
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Post by sponge on Dec 10, 2012 18:25:27 GMT -8
It looks like every analyst is predicting that Apple will beat Q1 guidance. I hope that the stock can hold up until then. If individual investors start running for the exit now, the situation will get real ugly. Please to tell us when Apple has not beat its own guidance. Please to tell us what is Apple's guidance for current quarter. thanks Guidance is 11.75. last year they beat it by 49%. Expect this year for them to beat it by 35% and I am very conservative with room to be beaten by another 10%.
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Post by bryanyc on Dec 10, 2012 18:59:40 GMT -8
A little levity: The Nokia Lumia 920 in an advertisement by ATT? Depending on your perspective this is absolutely hilarious and well done or in terrible taste and ruins the branding. I'm for all of the above. It's only 20 seconds but wow! www.workforwill.com
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Post by roni on Dec 10, 2012 19:00:54 GMT -8
Please to tell us when Apple has not beat its own guidance. Please to tell us what is Apple's guidance for current quarter. thanks Guidance is 11.75. last year they beat it by 49%. Expect this year for them to beat it by 35% and I am very conservative with room to be beaten by another 10%. I know, but I was a-wanting newton to look it up and report on it, so sit there in the back of the class and stop waving your hand all anxious to answer all the questions
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Post by Tetrachloride on Dec 10, 2012 19:02:31 GMT -8
Please to tell us when Apple has not beat its own guidance. Please to tell us what is Apple's guidance for current quarter. thanks Guidance is 11.75. last year they beat it by 49%. Expect this year for them to beat it by 35% and I am very conservative with room to be beaten by another 10%. Your 35 % conservative number is higher than my blowout numbers.
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Post by kloot on Dec 10, 2012 19:11:03 GMT -8
Usually that is a lot, but more recently it's been between 400k to 1.5M on the last bar of my 2m chart. That's what I mean. Last-second trading by a bunch of participants or one big trade. It's always seemed like the first one to me. isn't the closing "cross" made up of all the buy on close/sell on close orders? that's why there's always a big spike in volume, just like the opening cross.
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Post by kloot on Dec 10, 2012 19:13:32 GMT -8
That's what I mean. Last-second trading by a bunch of participants or one big trade. It's always seemed like the first one to me. isn't the closing "cross" made up of all the buy on close/sell on close orders? that's why there's always a big spike in volume, just like the opening cross. nevermind, wheeles said the same thing.
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Post by fas550 on Dec 10, 2012 19:35:28 GMT -8
So here is a summary of how far the rhetoric has come in recent history. Based on this the end is nigh IMHO: Apple is going to loose ground to new challenges from RIM and Microsoft (you're aving a laugh, aren't you?) Apple's going down because investing the U.S. is just a publicity stunt that will eventually crush margins (yep the CFO is always looking for ways to decrease margins and the board agrees with him) Apple going down because its too high (huh? When compare to what, Clorox?) The release of the iPad Mini was a strategic mistake and will cause the iPad sales to halt (guess over 90% of the Fortune 100 companies bought the wrong product and need to ditch their entire Enterprise mobile strategy and move to the consumer targeted Mini) The iPhone is simply too expensive for China (the regional growth from the financials are false and TC is lying on the Conf calls I guess about growth) Apple is going to have a bad QTR because suppliers are reporting less required supply in Jan (yeah we should sustain 50 Mil phones per qtr even if we can't sell them all and of course TC does not know jack about supply management despite its improvement over the past 2 years) And my favorite: Apple Map error in Australia is causing people to die in the outback due to misdirection. Every Apple bear I have ever heard of has had their 15 mins lately and I honestly don't know who's left. So when the crap is over the wave (yes maybe even the Elliot Wave) is about to turn. Honestly I am never a big fan of one reason for a drop but all in all IMHO the drop is primarily due to upcoming tax issues. In essence Apple has gone up a lot in the past few years so it comes down to a math problem: Why would anyone not sell an asset that has a known tax penalty in lieu of holding on to the asset and have an unknown tax liability: but it will definitely be more? Simple math.
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