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Post by macster on Jan 4, 2019 20:33:59 GMT -8
I believe he was referring to when he was elected at 110 and it went to 233. The point is that if you invest for 5 to 10 years a company like Apple will be fine. I think the point is that 46% is not "200%" and that the President makes sh!t up. Shocker, right? Actually you need to go back to the beginning of the President's campaign in 2015 or during the early 2016 primaries when he started making his MAGA promises that wall street was happy about. Up a lot more than 133% rounded off to a off-the-cuff 200%. Seems when you look at things in a negative light the light that shines is very dim and prone to error. Did you just make-up 46% or is it a typo?
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Post by tuffett on Jan 4, 2019 20:41:18 GMT -8
As an investor, the fact that high pricing isn’t even accretive to margins is a huge concern. The BOM for iPhone is too high at a time where consumers couldn’t care less about features and only upgrade because they’re locked into the ecosystem and their existing phone doesn’t work.
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Post by gtrplyr on Jan 4, 2019 20:56:46 GMT -8
I think the point is that 46% is not "200%" and that the President makes sh!t up. Shocker, right? Actually you need to go back to the beginning of the President's campaign in 2015 or during the early 2016 primaries when he started making his MAGA promises that wall street was happy about. Up a lot more than 133% rounded off to a off-the-cuff 200%. Seems when you look at things in a negative light the light that shines is very dim and prone to error. Did you just make-up 46% or is it a typo? Rounding 133% (which is still a stretch) to 200% ? Really? The man is a liar .... plain and simple and this is just 1 of thousands of times he's literally made numbers up. Old joke coming but it's very very true: How do you know Trump is lying? ..... His mouth is open.
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Post by david on Jan 4, 2019 21:12:34 GMT -8
I think the point is that 46% is not "200%" and that the President makes sh!t up. Shocker, right? Actually you need to go back to the beginning of the President's campaign in 2015 or during the early 2016 primaries when he started making his MAGA promises that wall street was happy about. Up a lot more than 133% rounded off to a off-the-cuff 200%. Seems when you look at things in a negative light the light that shines is very dim and prone to error. Did you just make-up 46% or is it a typo? Actually, AAPL closed at 107.69 on November 8, 2016. The last point in time at which the typical investor believed trump was going to fail to win and Hillary Clinton would become the next President of the United States. Who knew that the mandate of the electorate would be subverted? 233.47 = 216.8 % of 107.69. 117% improvement. And yeah, “the President makes shit up”.
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Post by macster on Jan 4, 2019 21:17:50 GMT -8
Actually you need to go back to the beginning of the President's campaign in 2015 or during the early 2016 primaries when he started making his MAGA promises that wall street was happy about. Up a lot more than 133% rounded off to a off-the-cuff 200%. Seems when you look at things in a negative light the light that shines is very dim and prone to error. Did you just make-up 46% or is it a typo? Rounding 133% (which is still a stretch) to 200% ? Really? The man is a liar .... plain and simple and this is just 1 of thousands of times he's literally made numbers up. Old joke coming but it's very very true: How do you know Trump is lying? ..... His mouth is open. Making a mountain out of a molehill? You do realize your mouth is open and you exaggerate or use analogies to make a point. Everyone does it but much of the criticism about Trump lying is taken from sound bites that lack color or context which are presented to you by the media. I remember the media doing the same to Obama, W and others way back. I definitely exaggerated Apple growth from mid 2015 to present. Sorry about that.
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Post by macster on Jan 4, 2019 21:27:53 GMT -8
Actually you need to go back to the beginning of the President's campaign in 2015 or during the early 2016 primaries when he started making his MAGA promises that wall street was happy about. Up a lot more than 133% rounded off to a off-the-cuff 200%. Seems when you look at things in a negative light the light that shines is very dim and prone to error. Did you just make-up 46% or is it a typo? Actually, AAPL closed at 107.69 on November 8, 2016. The last point in time at which the typical investor believed trump was going to fail to win and Hillary Clinton would become the next President of the United States. Who knew that the mandate of the electorate would be subverted? 233.47 = 216.8 % of 107.69. 117% improvement. And yeah, “the President makes shit up”. 63 million people including probable investor class Wall Street and independent investors were willing to bet to make a buck before Trump got elected. From July 1 2016 to Dec 1 2016 the Dow went up aprox. 2000 points! I did make a error in calculating growth of Apple.
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Post by sponge on Jan 4, 2019 21:37:13 GMT -8
Ok
I did some research. Back in Nov I had noticed someone spending $2.8 million buying Dec 185 puts. They made a cool $60 million from that move.
I had noticed the 40K in OI on the Jan 140 in Nov not in Oct. However those puts we in the 40K range since Feb. So they were purchased around $5 as a hedge back then. The fact that OI stayed over 40K for 10 months was a very telling sign that those who bought them knew they could still make money if Apple drops below 135. So if you had bought $10 million you could double your money in about 11 months.
Now keep in mind that the big money is in SPY options and S&P. Both had shown drops in Jan and I still did not truly believe it. I thought it would be in Oct, then Nov, then Dec. I was proven wrong each time as we continued to drop.
So what does the future hold? Well in the SPY puts for June. There are quite a few OI contracts between 200-225 puts. Meaning those folks expect the SPY to drop 10-20% by then. There are a large number of OI calls in the 280-285 range meaning they expect the market to move 12-15% up. There are more of those folks right now. However the volume is significantly higher in Puts. Someone bought 10K 220 puts for $440 each meaning they invested $4.4million. For them to double their money the S&P needs to drop to 210 or 17% from today. That folks is very telling. We must watch how open interest increases or decreases in both of these groups.
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Post by deasys on Jan 4, 2019 23:31:23 GMT -8
Did you just make-up 46% or is it a typo? Not a typo but thanks for pointing that out. Trump became President on January 20, 2017. AAPL closed at $120 on January 17th of that year and is currently a bit over $148—a mere 23% higher than when he took office. Had he not messed with tariffs and trade agreements, i.e. things clearly beyond his understanding, he perhaps may have been able to claim that AAPL was up about 100% (not "hundreds of percent"). But hey, "trade wars are good and easy to win," right?
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Post by redinaustin on Jan 5, 2019 1:47:28 GMT -8
I think we may be underestimating TC a little. Trump said something that was very important today about Apple. He spoke about TC as a friend and that he thinks Apple will be fine. He pointed out that aapl has gone up 200% since he became president and is not worried about this correction. . The fact that Trump isn't worried ..... worries the hell out of me. I don't think we are underestimating TC , I think you are overestimating Trump. TC a friend of Trump?? I don't claim to be friends with TC and maybe I'm going out on a limb.... but I kind of get the feeling TC is no friend of Trump. Finally .... Apple was trading just slightly over $100 in Jan of '16 .... how do you get 200% increase when the ATH is $233.47? Screw it ...it's Friday ..... Trump is a uneducated moron that couldn't run a taco truck if his life depended on it, lucky as hell he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and everything he touches turns to shit. Have a nice weekend. He is not good with numbers, he obviously failed 4th grade arithmetic as well as kindergarten where his grade in “plays well with others” was below unsatisfactory.
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Post by macster on Jan 5, 2019 6:53:26 GMT -8
Did you just make-up 46% or is it a typo? Not a typo but thanks for pointing that out. Trump became President on January 20, 2017. AAPL closed at $120 on January 17th of that year and is currently a bit over $148—a mere 23% higher than when he took office. Had he not messed with tariffs and trade agreements, i.e. things clearly beyond his understanding, he perhaps may have been able to claim that AAPL was up about 100% (not "hundreds of percent"). But hey, "trade wars are good and easy to win," right? English lessons....https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/16356/how-to-use-tens-of-and-hundreds-of
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Post by macster on Jan 5, 2019 6:54:13 GMT -8
The fact that Trump isn't worried ..... worries the hell out of me. I don't think we are underestimating TC , I think you are overestimating Trump. TC a friend of Trump?? I don't claim to be friends with TC and maybe I'm going out on a limb.... but I kind of get the feeling TC is no friend of Trump. Finally .... Apple was trading just slightly over $100 in Jan of '16 .... how do you get 200% increase when the ATH is $233.47? Screw it ...it's Friday ..... Trump is a uneducated moron that couldn't run a taco truck if his life depended on it, lucky as hell he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and everything he touches turns to shit. Have a nice weekend. He is not good with numbers, he obviously failed 4th grade arithmetic as well as kindergarten where his grade in “plays well with others” was below unsatisfactory. English lessons.... english.stackexchange.com/questions/16356/how-to-use-tens-of-and-hundreds-of
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Post by appledoc on Jan 5, 2019 9:01:49 GMT -8
Did you just make-up 46% or is it a typo? Not a typo but thanks for pointing that out. Trump became President on January 20, 2017. AAPL closed at $120 on January 17th of that year and is currently a bit over $148—a mere 23% higher than when he took office. Had he not messed with tariffs and trade agreements, i.e. things clearly beyond his understanding, he perhaps may have been able to claim that AAPL was up about 100% (not "hundreds of percent"). But hey, "trade wars are good and easy to win," right? Disingenuous to not use the November 8th closing price. Or does the future no longer matter to Wall Street?
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Post by incorrigible on Jan 5, 2019 9:28:51 GMT -8
Uh mods? There's a fight on the playground.
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Post by hledgard on Jan 5, 2019 9:52:05 GMT -8
Really, the negative comments about Trump do not belong on this thread. If it keeps up, it will ruin this board as it exists now.
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Post by Lstream on Jan 5, 2019 10:51:28 GMT -8
Really, the negative comments about Trump do not belong on this thread. If it keeps up, it will ruin this board as it exists now. Tariffs and economic protectionism are a huge macro threat. Many believe that these practices were a leading cause of the Great Depression. Trump (aka Tariff Man) could be leading us into unnecessary hardship and really difficult times. To expect people to either ignore this, or to suppress their emotions and feelings when he is risking people’s hard won portfolios and overall economic well-being is just not realistic. At least in my opinion. What he is doing is beyond political. I agree that pure politics destroys boards. But what he is doing goes well beyond politics, and potentially into wanton economic destruction. To suppress discussion and emotion when he is creating such a threat and risk is just not realistic. At least not now.
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Post by sponge on Jan 5, 2019 12:15:08 GMT -8
There are a few folks that I am not happy to see that are back and will ignore their comments.
Trump can brag about where aapl is in Nov 2020. I think we will be close 200 so he will have plenty to brag about.
However all this trade war and tariff talk wont be truly analysed for at least two more years. If we can't have some manufacturing back in the US by then, we will be no better off then today.
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Post by Lstream on Jan 5, 2019 13:15:12 GMT -8
There are a few folks that I am not happy to see that are back and will ignore their comments. Such a warm welcome might convince me to stick around for a bit.
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Post by Luckychoices on Jan 5, 2019 13:20:47 GMT -8
There are a few folks that I am not happy to see that are back and will ignore their comments. Trump can brag about where aapl is in Nov 2020. I think we will be close 200 so he will have plenty to brag about. However all this trade war and tariff talk wont be truly analysed for at least two more years. If we can't have some manufacturing back in the US by then, we will be no better off then today. I'm wondering why *anyone*, much less Trump, would be able to brag about AAPL returning, almost 2 years from now, to $32 *less* than it was on 10/03/18. So, two years to end up $32 short of its ATH. Impressive. /s
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Post by sponge on Jan 5, 2019 13:25:02 GMT -8
There are a few folks that I am not happy to see that are back and will ignore their comments. Trump can brag about where aapl is in Nov 2020. I think we will be close 200 so he will have plenty to brag about. However all this trade war and tariff talk wont be truly analysed for at least two more years. If we can't have some manufacturing back in the US by then, we will be no better off then today. I'm wondering why *anyone*, much less Trump, would be able to brag about AAPL returning, almost 2 years from now, to $32 *less* than it was on 10/03/18. So, two years to end up $32 less than it was at its ATH. Impressive. Because as a politician he will compare Nov 2016 and Nov 2020. If Apple does have some plant build here he will brag about that.
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Post by gtrplyr on Jan 5, 2019 13:32:29 GMT -8
I should not have posted the personal comments re: Trump. My apologies, that said:
To not discuss what is arguably the biggest driver of the stock at the moment (Trade practices with China) renders this board almost useless. Regardless of political affiliation it's hard to argue that the WH is setting the tone of the market right now and almost nothing Apple does from a micro perspective will have any effect in this hurricane that is our trade policy.
A few hours ago I read Trump's comments regarding Apple and frankly I was horrified. I'm going to quote straight from his mouth as I don't want to stir the pot any further with inaccurate news:
“China is the biggest beneficiary of Apple, more than us. Because they build their product mostly in China.”
This is simply not true. Yes Chinese workers and factories do benefit from Apple but "more than us" is completely inaccurate and it's very important to note. Upon reading this it seems that watching Apple fail will do more harm to the Chinese than Americans and it couldn't be farther from the truth, Apple is in fact one of the greatest stories in American business that I can think of. Not only does Apple employ well over 100,000 people the sheer number of people who profit directly from it's ecosystem puts the number over 500,000 according to a few places I've seen online. And the kind of jobs Apple has in the U.S. are far superior to the jobs and wages Chinese workers earn from assembling Apple's products .... it's not even close. Foxconn workers average $400 a MONTH.
It's dangerous how people , who are supposed to be looking out for the welfare of this country and it's citizens, can make such a inaccurate statement.
How angry do we get around here from analysts who spread FUD? Now we have to deal with it from Trump as well?
"Apple makes their product in China. I told Tim Cook, who's a friend of mine ... 'Make your products in the United States,'"
How competitive would Apple be if they did that? There is simply no way they could even do this if they wanted to ... the factories don't exist and even if they did labor would be though the roof. Trump should know this as most of the stuff he has ever sold or had manufactured (before running for office) has been from China .. Once again statements like this make Apple look bad .... and it's not fair as Apple has been very generous raising salaries of average factory workers overseas.
Last time I checked, Apple and AAPL were doing fine before any talk of this trade war .... yes there were definitely some issues with China that needed to be addressed but the relationship was quite symbiotic as access to their markets was worth the tradeoff in dealing with their government. I shutter to think where AAPL would be now if we didn't have this trade war to deal with ... I think we would be at ATHs.
I will be polite from here on out when discussing the current administration but to post here and pretend as if those policies didn't exist is absurd.
Cheers to the longs .....
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Post by Lstream on Jan 5, 2019 13:55:52 GMT -8
Awesome post gtrplyr. Trump and those that are fixated on where the product is built, simply have no clue about the value chain attached to tech products. The idea of being back manufacturing jobs for these devices is beyond ridiculous. People are bitching about the price of Apple devices now. Imagine what happens to the cost of these products to if they are moved out of China. Assuming they could even be built in the US at the volumes required. And for what? There is way more value in the high end engineering and software jobs. Those jobs are NOT POSSIBLE in the numbers that Apple employs without China.
If Trump and his followers got their way with this nonsense, it would be the biggest gift possible to Samsung, Huawei and all of the other commodity knock-off artists. I am simply speechless sometimes with the sheer ignorance I hear and read. Apple Is the best consumer tech company on the planet. And here we have government leadership that should be counting their blessings about this company, clown showing their way to real serious damage, unless someone wakes up.
EDIT - and one more thing. Back of the envelope calculation. iPhone labor cost is likely around 10% of the BOM. Let’s be really generous and give the average phone a BOM of $600. Giving us $60 in labor content. If Apple moves manufacturing to the US, that is the only scrap that sticks somewhere in the US. Which is 6 lousy percent of a $1000 phone. For Apple to stay even economically, they have to match that number. And if they cannot due to the move, margins and price point move in the wrong direction. Apple becomes less profitable, loses market share, and can no longer support the high paying US jobs where the value really is. This stuff is so obvious, you would think the leadership should easily comprehend it. Sadly, that is not the case.
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Post by Luckychoices on Jan 5, 2019 14:10:46 GMT -8
Awesome post gtrplyr. Trump and those that are fixated on where the product is built, simply have no clue about the value chain attached to tech products. The idea of being back manufacturing jobs for these devices is beyond ridiculous. People are bitching about the price of Apple devices now. Imagine what happens to the cost of these products to if they are moved out of China. Assuming they could even be built in the US at the volumes required. And for what? There is way more value in the high end engineering and software jobs. Those jobs are NOT POSSIBLE in the numbers that Apple employs without China. If Trump and his followers got their way with this nonsense, it would be the biggest gift possible to Samsung, Huawei and all of the other commodity knock-off artists. I am simply speechless sometimes with the sheer ignorance I hear and read. Apple Is the best consumer tech company on the planet. And here we have government leadership that should be counting their blessings about this company, clown showing their way to real serious damage, unless someone wakes up. Some get it, some don't. IMO, there's no excuse for anyone who invests in AAPL to *not* get it. This showed up in Apple News this morning: With Apple shares slumping, Trump says Apple should manufacture the iPhone in the USI've included the entire article but this is one of the more important points: Of course, the notion of Apple manufacturing the iPhone in the United States isn’t all that realistic. Not only is it cheaper to manufacture the iPhone in China, the logistics make the entire process much more seamless.
To this point, an anonymous Apple executive a few years back relayed the following about the iPhone manufacturing process. “The entire supply chain is in China now,” the executive said. “You need a thousand rubber gaskets? That’s the factory next door. You need a million screws? That factory is a block away. You need that screw made a little bit different? It will take three hours.”
========================== With shares of Apple trading at a level we haven’t seen since 2017, Donald Trump at a press conference yesterday confidently said that Apple is “going to be fine.” Oddly enough, though perhaps not all that surprising, Trump also claimed that shares of Apple have gone up “hundreds of percent” since he became president.
When asked if he was concerned about Apple shares slumping, Trump answered: “No, I’m not. I mean, look, they’ve gone up a lot. You know, they’ve gone up hundreds of percent since [I’ve become] president. Apple was at a number that was incredible, and they’re going to be fine.”
The thing is, Trump’s assertion here is unabashedly false and easily disproven.
When Trump took the oath of office in late January of 2017, Apple shares opened at $120.45. And with shares of Apple now trading at 148.26, Apple’s stock price has gone up by 23% over the last two years. At its peak, when Apple shares were trading at $232 levels, the price had appreciated by 92%, an impressive gain to be sure, but certainly not in the “hundreds of percent” range.
Numbers aside, Trump once again brought up the notion that Apple might want to consider manufacturing iPhones in the United States.
“Don’t forget, Apple makes their products in China,” Trump said. “I told Tim Cook, a friend of mine, make your product in the US. Build those big, beautiful plants that go on for miles. Build those plants in the US. I like that even better…China is the biggest beneficiary of Apple.”
“My focus is the United States,” Trump later added. “I want to get those companies to come back. I want Apple to make their iPhones and all of the great things that they make in the United States.”
Of course, the notion of Apple manufacturing the iPhone in the United States isn’t all that realistic. Not only is it cheaper to manufacture the iPhone in China, the logistics make the entire process much more seamless.
To this point, an anonymous Apple executive a few years back relayed the following about the iPhone manufacturing process.
“The entire supply chain is in China now,” the executive said. “You need a thousand rubber gaskets? That’s the factory next door. You need a million screws? That factory is a block away. You need that screw made a little bit different? It will take three hours.”
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Post by sponge on Jan 5, 2019 14:46:19 GMT -8
I think they can build part of the phone and other products here. The cost of manufacturing is not as much as people might think.
Also the notion that you can buy parts from a few blocks away quickly is a simple fallacy touted by Apple to justify keeping the Chinese happy . Apple knows months in advance how many parts they need. They can be shipped by air in less then 24 hours if need be.
People pay $1000 for an iPhone not because it costs Apple a ton build and buy parts in China but because they want that 50% margin.
Americans would gladly pay that price or more if they got build here. Smaller margins for more jobs here is a good trade off.
They can build there and many other places in the world.
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Post by gtrplyr on Jan 5, 2019 15:23:19 GMT -8
I think they can build part of the phone and other products here. The cost of manufacturing is not as much as people might think. Also the notion that you can buy parts from a few blocks away quickly is a simple fallacy touted by Apple to justify keeping the Chinese happy . Apple knows months in advance how many parts they need. They can be shipped by air in less then 24 hours if need be. People pay $1000 for an iPhone not because it costs Apple a ton build and buy parts in China but because they want that 50% margin. Americans would gladly pay that price or more if they got build here. Smaller margins for more jobs here is a good trade off. They can build there and many other places in the world. Ok Sponge, Apple's executives have addressed this already but you seem to disagree, I don't have any idea what kind of manufacturing background you have but I'm guessing you have never had to manufacture millions of anything in a quarter. With all due respect I find this an incredibly naive response. And Apple does not know "months" in advance ... many times they have to see initial demand and then ramp numbers accordingly ..... As far as what Americans would pay if the iPhone was built here (pay even more?) ..... I don't think so. I guess the same holds true for televisions, microwaves, toasters and a million other devices? Should we fire up a flat panel TV company and build it right here in the good ol US of A? I'm sure as hell not investing in that company ... would you? They could build other places ... I'll give you that and maybe they will try but labor intensive manufacturing on most products will simply never come back here .... isn't gonna happen and every business person knows this .... Those are not even the jobs most Americans want. IMHO.
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Post by artman1033 on Jan 5, 2019 15:34:33 GMT -8
let us PLEASE be civil. PLEASE BRING ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS TO THE DUNGEON OR THE POWERS THAT EXIST (4 of us), WILL start deleting. I am a member of another fabulous website, called applesanity. THAT website has ONLY one viewpoint. Applesanity is anti-Trump almost all of the time. THAT website will fail over time, since only one viewpoint is allowed. YOU can continue this discussion at the dungeon: Trump is MY favorite president since Harry Truman! Trump is the MOST "transparent" president of all times. GOOD & BADif TWITTER OR FACEBOOK existed in 1800, Jefferson and Adams would have had a field day. THEY hated each other. China is evil. The military/industrial complex exists. GOOGLE is evil. FACEBOOK is evil AMAZON is evil.
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Post by bud777 on Jan 5, 2019 15:48:17 GMT -8
^ | | | Artman, are these suggested topics for discussion in the dungeons or a personal credo? Just trying to get oriented here
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Post by Lstream on Jan 5, 2019 15:58:33 GMT -8
let us PLEASE be civil. PLEASE BRING ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS TO THE DUNGEON OR THE POWERS THAT EXIST (4 of us), WILL start deleting. I am a member of another fabulous website, called applesanity. THAT website has ONLY one viewpoint. Applesanity is anti-Trump almost all of the time. THAT website will fail over time, since only one viewpoint is allowed. YOU can continue this discussion at the dungeon: Trump is MY favorite president since Harry Truman! Trump is the MOST "transparent" president of all times. GOOD & BADif TWITTER OR FACEBOOK existed in 1800, Jefferson and Adams would have had a field day. THEY hated each other. China is evil. The military/industrial complex exists. GOOGLE is evil. FACEBOOK is evil AMAZON is evil. Can you clarify what you are objecting to? The discussion in this thread seems very tame compared to what you see almost anywhere else on the web. Of course there are disagreements. Seems to me that for the most part, these disagreements are being handled in a respectful way. Is the real problem, that some of us are very critical of Trump? In my case, I believe him to be seriously dangerous to Apple investors. That is what is being discussed for the most part. Is that point of view only acceptable in the dungeon? If he was a member, I might understand the problem, but I am willing to bet he isn’t.
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Post by sponge on Jan 5, 2019 16:23:13 GMT -8
www.ozy.com/acumen/the-us-is-beating-china-on-the-factory-floor-this-is-why/71321www.statista.com/statistics/744071/manufacturing-labor-costs-per-hour-china-vietnam-mexico/Things are changing. They need a push from the gov. Automation will remove the issue of cheap labor. Yes China can do that as well, but the technology is being developed here therefore so we should make as many of those products here If Foxconn can build a new factory to keep India happy, Apple should build here to keep US happy. Tired of giving millions of jobs to China. We train the engineers here. By the way right next to Apple Campus there are so many Chinese that I could not find a person who spoke English in the grocery store. We have the engineers needed for those plants and can train more. Like I said. Apple and TC won’t get the message until China closes their own factories just to fight the US. We are only in the first few innings of this war. 20% drop in sales in two months without any overt action from the Chinese gov should sound major alarm bells. Carl Ichan was laughed at when he got out of the stock. It is not fair that they steal from us then when we try to sell products there and they slap 3x higher tariff on our products.
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Post by artman1033 on Jan 5, 2019 16:24:35 GMT -8
^ | | | Artman, are these suggested topics for discussion in the dungeons or a personal credo? Just trying to get oriented here personal beliefs...... AND can we please discuss in the dungeon.I object to someone calling MY president a blankety blank. TOMMO/UK used to attack MY president in 2006. @ the original AFB. One can be civil and say: I don't like the way MY president negotiates on trade policy. Then they could suggest a better way. It is the name calling. NOW I KNOW MY president calls everyone names........... But we don't have to do that.
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Post by gtrplyr on Jan 5, 2019 16:33:58 GMT -8
My last few posts have been entirely civil. Not sure if you are referring to my posts but I will say once again that Trump talking specifically about Apple has an impact on the stock and is fair game for this forum.
Pointing out the fact that he is completely inaccurate when discussing the company is also fair.
It hurts Apple's reputation and standing here in the U.S. when he suggests, incorrectly I might add, that China benefits more from Apple.
It makes Apple look bad to the rest of the country when he suggests that Apple can and should manufacture here in the U.S. instead ... since when has it been any business of the WH where a company decides to manufacture a product? He should not be commenting ...
Sorry you are a fan of his ... many of us here are not and I don't really like the thought of you deleting civil posts.
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