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Post by chinacat on Mar 11, 2019 5:34:46 GMT -8
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Post by ericinaustin on Mar 11, 2019 6:41:44 GMT -8
Interesting article on Elizabeth Warren discussing breaking out the app store as part of antitrust issues with big tech. I at first think this would be difficult no matter what your politics are and whether you like her ideas or not ( and don't want to get into that here) but it brings up the always fascinating question about how to value a company with lots of cash generating parts of the business. I thought one of the reasons for the pop this am might be people thinking ok they have to sell the app store, how do you value it.
suddenly you start to see how valuable this part of apple is as a freestanding company. The answer is more valuable that about 60% of the fortune 500 companies with one of the highest growth rates in tech.
Eric
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 11, 2019 7:16:53 GMT -8
The title on this was more dramatic than the actual facts in the article. Buried inside was that there were an equal number of analysts saying buy as there were saying hold (15 of each?), along with one saying to sell. While that might in fact be the most bearish it's been in 15 years, and might be seen as bearish for analysts that are normally just buy buy buy, it still seems a net positive. Hold is hold, or neutral. If you're bearish, then say sell, and actually do so.
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Post by chinacat on Mar 11, 2019 7:17:48 GMT -8
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Post by ems on Mar 11, 2019 7:20:45 GMT -8
The whole "break up tech" thing from Warren will prove to be her version of the Howard Dean 'scream' - a turning point where she is widely discredited and begins an unalterable slide into non-contender status. It's too bad, as I think she is the most qualified of the candidates on the D side but stuff like this makes her unpalatable to many (and despite the fact that even if she were elected, those 'break-up-big-tech' ideas would have zero chance of becoming reality...)
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Post by chinacat on Mar 11, 2019 8:13:31 GMT -8
The whole "break up tech" thing from Warren will prove to be her version of the Howard Dean 'scream' - a turning point where she is widely discredited and begins an unalterable slide into non-contender status. It's too bad, as I think she is the most qualified of the candidates on the D side but stuff like this makes her unpalatable to many (and despite the fact that even if she were elected, those 'break-up-big-tech' ideas would have zero chance of becoming reality...) You may be right, but her speech will not be replayed 1/1000th the number of times that "the scream" was.
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Post by ems on Mar 11, 2019 9:26:36 GMT -8
Probably so. still, it's annoying to see her take an untenable position like that, it doesn't help her chances, and of course it's unwarranted and unfeasible anyway... particularly in the case of Apple.
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Post by playultimate on Mar 11, 2019 9:32:58 GMT -8
The whole "break up tech" thing from Warren will prove to be her version of the Howard Dean 'scream' - a turning point where she is widely discredited and begins an unalterable slide into non-contender status. It's too bad, as I think she is the most qualified of the candidates on the D side but stuff like this makes her unpalatable to many (and despite the fact that even if she were elected, those 'break-up-big-tech' ideas would have zero chance of becoming reality...) Probably too early in the election cycle for these comments to gain much traction. First debate is not until June. Key at this point, for all of them, is to stay in the public eye. Sometimes, the candidates have to say outrageous things in order to continue to garner attention. Pres. Trump made the news every day due to some of his comments/tweets/political activities. None of the other R. candidates could compete with his media attention.
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Post by macster on Mar 11, 2019 11:41:51 GMT -8
Warren doesn't have any chance to be President. Some fool may choose her for VP though.
Wheee...nice move today
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Mar 11, 2019 12:59:03 GMT -8
It's completely ridiculous that Wall St analysts still have the power to move the stock like this. The fact that a note from Bank of America can move the stock $6 in either direction just shows how much the market is based on emotion instead of facts and how much potential there is for corruption.
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Post by crispin on Mar 11, 2019 13:04:46 GMT -8
Probably so. still, it's annoying to see her take an untenable position like that, it doesn't help her chances, and of course it's unwarranted and unfeasible anyway... particularly in the case of Apple. I agree. She’s a smart person, but the idea of breaking up Apple is just absurd. Maybe Tim should have a talk with her.
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 11, 2019 13:20:47 GMT -8
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Post by zzmac on Mar 11, 2019 14:34:31 GMT -8
macster Avatar macster Member 2 hours ago Quote Warren doesn't have any chance to be President. Some fool may choose her for VP though.
I can’t see O’Rourke doing that. 😇
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Post by sponge on Mar 11, 2019 16:11:07 GMT -8
Today was a big move, however the volume was not that strong. On Friday aapl was 1st selling on strength while today it was in second behind the SPY.
So I think we will have one more strong move tomorrow before we petter out thru end of week. With triple witching, we could see some major down moves.
I was able to get in on my aapl calls in the first 2 minutes. So I am up 250%. Not lucky enough to be up 900% like some of the traders I follow. May sell early tomorrow and then buy back next week unless we do drop to 175 for some crazy reason.
Charts still indicate a high of 188-189.
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Post by SomeJuan on Mar 11, 2019 20:19:30 GMT -8
Methinks sometimes it is better to listen and keep yer trap shut, than open it for all to see/hear.
Weee
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 11, 2019 23:16:24 GMT -8
Warren doesn't have any chance to be President. Of course not. How could *any* educated person vote for a candidate who made a thoughtless, ridiculous statement?
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 11, 2019 23:23:25 GMT -8
Today was a big move, however the volume was not that strong. On Friday aapl was 1st selling on strength while today it was in second behind the SPY. So I think we will have one more strong move tomorrow before we petter out thru end of week. With triple witching, we could see some major down moves. I was able to get in on my aapl calls in the first 2 minutes. So I am up 250%. Not lucky enough to be up 900% like some of the traders I follow. May sell early tomorrow and then buy back next week unless we do drop to 175 for some crazy reason. Charts still indicate a high of 188-189. Do these traders you follow mention the $ involved with their trades? Being up 900% tells me nothing. Are they up 900% on a trade or trades involving $1000, $10,000, $100,000, $1,000,000, etc? Asking for a friend.
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Post by macster on Mar 12, 2019 0:21:30 GMT -8
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 12, 2019 1:10:59 GMT -8
macster, forgive me if I've missed your point, somehow, but how does something President Obama previously said have anything at all to do with the topic at hand? As started by ericinaustin, the discussion is about Senator Warren's recent *ridiculous* suggestion regarding the breaking up of Apple, Inc and ems suggested it *should* doom her chances to gain the Democratic presidential nomination for the 2020 election. Many of the members, including you and myself agree with him. I'm not quite sure how or why you would post what you did but I'm sure any of the moderators will be happy to move your comment to the proper thread in the Dungeon. You need only to ask.
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Post by macster on Mar 12, 2019 5:45:31 GMT -8
macster, forgive me if I've missed your point, somehow, but how does something President Obama previously said have anything at all to do with the topic at hand? As started by ericinaustin, the discussion is about Senator Warren's recent *ridiculous* suggestion regarding the breaking up of Apple, Inc and ems suggested it *should* doom her chances to gain the Democratic presidential nomination for the 2020 election. Many of the members, including you and myself agree with him. I'm not quite sure how or why you would post what you did but I'm sure any of the moderators will be happy to move your comment to the proper thread in the Dungeon. You need only to ask. I simply said “Warren has no chance to become prez” implying she’s just too dumb. Because of the known fact that I support the current President you replied insinuating the current President has said equally stupid things. So it’s just fair to remind you that that other President and the one before him also said stupid things. I hope this ends this minor misunderstanding thank you.
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 12, 2019 6:29:00 GMT -8
but I'm sure any of the moderators will be happy to move your comment to the proper thread in the Dungeon. You need only to ask. Sorry guys, this is more of a self service board, where we know you all have the ability to self moderate, even if occasionally a reminder needs to be thrown out. I'm sure if people did start making 900% a week on $1M then a paid full service board moderator, or a whole team, could be in order. But I don't think we're really there yet, or want that. Remember that we have places for non-AAPL talk. Thanks for self-moderating.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 12, 2019 7:43:30 GMT -8
but I'm sure any of the moderators will be happy to move your comment to the proper thread in the Dungeon. You need only to ask. Sorry guys, this is more of a self service board, where we know you all have the ability to self moderate, even if occasionally a reminder needs to be thrown out. I'm sure if people did start making 900% a week on $1M then a paid full service board moderator, or a whole team, could be in order. But I don't think we're really there yet, or want that. Remember that we have places for non-AAPL talk. Thanks for self-moderating. FWIW, I really don't care about the comment being moved. Over the last several weeks, I thought I remembered artman moving a few but I may be mistaken.
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 12, 2019 9:02:27 GMT -8
Sorry guys, this is more of a self service board, where we know you all have the ability to self moderate, even if occasionally a reminder needs to be thrown out. I'm sure if people did start making 900% a week on $1M then a paid full service board moderator, or a whole team, could be in order. But I don't think we're really there yet, or want that. Remember that we have places for non-AAPL talk. Thanks for self-moderating. FWIW, I really don't care about the comment being moved. Over the last several weeks, I thought I remembered artman moving a few but I may be mistaken. Yea, I didn't think you actually cared much, but I decided since we have some newer members that I should reply anyways as a reminder of our general stance. I think only part of one comment was moved recently, as a proactive measure, though I could have missed something since I've been trying to ski more and worry about the stock less. But generally we are trying to not get into that boat since we'd rather stay hands off. Y'all are doing great. Keep up the great work, and use those sub-folders if you realize what you feel you need to post just isn't really Apple or AAPL related.
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