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Post by BillH on Jun 27, 2019 19:16:17 GMT -8
Let's hope our patience is rewarded and we are closer to 300 than 200 this time next year...unless the socialists win in 2020 and think our AAPL money should go to illegal aliens' "free"" college. My work is done here! [/div][/quote]I'm hoping enough of the old angry white guys jump ship to get behind a moderate democrat given that there's no longer a Republican Party to keep the far left in check.
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Post by chinacat on Jun 27, 2019 20:16:30 GMT -8
Ives is important but he’s not the sole reason Apple and AAPL are where they are today. Without software, ease of use, ecosystem, marketing, Apple DNA, supply chain management and so on, the hardware is nothing. It like when everyone praises the architect for an exemplary outcome of a building. The architect is just one person out of a cast of hundreds or thousands all involved in putting a builder together. Unless everyone is heading in the same direction, it doesn’t really take much to turn ‘amazing’ into ‘clunky’. And anyway, it’s said that Ives has been playing architect on Apple Park for the last few years. This is a good thing. It means the other Apple industrial designers have had to step up which builds experience and confidence. All while Ives has been cementing Apple DNA into their amazing work place in Apple Park. If the stock is down on Ives ‘departure’ it shows the market still doesn’t ‘grok’ Apple. I understand what you are saying, but there are some people who provide inspiration and aspiration just by their presence. Certainly, that was an important role for Steve Jobs, at least from my distant viewpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 21:00:52 GMT -8
If text selection on iOS is good I’ll be very happy, as the piece seems to say, even if cut and paste actions aren’t as good. I’ve never liked the current method of text selection. Never liked the bubble magnifier thing. The iPad has so much promise but it’s maddening that basic text editing is so difficult still. Not a beta tester and can’t wait to try out release of iOS 13 to form my own opinion on text editing.
Also excited about full safari. I’m using my iPhone on vacation and mobile websites on top of editing challenges, at least for me, makes the experience so not great. I want to believe these things are solvable but until I see it myself I can’t be sure.
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Post by Luckychoices on Jun 27, 2019 21:15:02 GMT -8
Cook has done a masterful job in this current environment, especially during this impending trade war/crisis with China and our own administration. Very much agree. Don't understand why Tim Cook gets criticized so frequently and is the recipient of so many "He's no Steve Jobs" comments. I think he's done, and continues to do, a great job as Apple's C.E.O.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 21:15:50 GMT -8
I don’t know what to think about Ive’s departure. I think Gruber at daringfireball may be correct that talk of Apple being a client may be a fig leaf for public consumption. It’s curious and somewhat worrying there’s no indication he’s being replaced. Right now I can only trust the board that they think they can retain a design focus and think it best at this point to do it without elevating someone to Ive’s role.
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Post by Luckychoices on Jun 27, 2019 21:36:05 GMT -8
JD, you're an eternal misery guts.Cook, really? I'm pretty happy with the share price increase and the corporate responsibility. The two aren't mutually exclusive and at some point you really can't separate them. Should Apple, say, have their products built in North Korea with slave labour because to support their fiduciary responsibility to shareholders? Perhaps they could put the toxic chemicals back inter products to make an extra buck? Perhaps they could use coal to generate electricity... oh hang on that would cost more. I'm pretty sure some of Apple's success is driven by their values (the ones listed at the bottom of their web page). OK, benoir, I had to strike through the "misery guts" phrase because I had to search for the meaning to insure auto-correct hadn't modified your comment. But I'm with you all the way when it comes to Tim Cook. I believe he's done a great job heading Apple and hope he continues to do so for many years to come.
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Post by benoir on Jun 28, 2019 1:19:06 GMT -8
Ives is important but he’s not the sole reason Apple and AAPL are where they are today. Without software, ease of use, ecosystem, marketing, Apple DNA, supply chain management and so on, the hardware is nothing. It like when everyone praises the architect for an exemplary outcome of a building. The architect is just one person out of a cast of hundreds or thousands all involved in putting a builder together. Unless everyone is heading in the same direction, it doesn’t really take much to turn ‘amazing’ into ‘clunky’. And anyway, it’s said that Ives has been playing architect on Apple Park for the last few years. This is a good thing. It means the other Apple industrial designers have had to step up which builds experience and confidence. All while Ives has been cementing Apple DNA into their amazing work place in Apple Park. If the stock is down on Ives ‘departure’ it shows the market still doesn’t ‘grok’ Apple. I understand what you are saying, but there are some people who provide inspiration and aspiration just by their presence. Certainly, that was an important role for Steve Jobs, at least from my distant viewpoint. Absolutely. I think it is critical that there is a design lead inside Apple to provide stewardship of the design team, to lead the design team into battle and ensure curation of Apple vision and objectives are on point (design by committee... not a big fan. Design committees tend to lowest common denominator outcomes). I suspect that the dynamism between jobs and Ives was critical 20 years ago but the attitudes that were formed then are now culturally rooted in Apple. Ives is replaceable... as is Cook(as much as I admire both of them)
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Post by benoir on Jun 28, 2019 1:25:05 GMT -8
JD, you're an eternal misery guts.Cook, really? I'm pretty happy with the share price increase and the corporate responsibility. The two aren't mutually exclusive and at some point you really can't separate them. Should Apple, say, have their products built in North Korea with slave labour because to support their fiduciary responsibility to shareholders? Perhaps they could put the toxic chemicals back inter products to make an extra buck? Perhaps they could use coal to generate electricity... oh hang on that would cost more. I'm pretty sure some of Apple's success is driven by their values (the ones listed at the bottom of their web page). OK, benoir, I had to strike through the "misery guts" phrase because I had to search for the meaning to insure auto-correct hadn't modified your comment. But I'm with you all the way when it comes to Tim Cook. I believe he's done a great job heading Apple and hope he continues to do so for many years to come. An expression from the Antipodes Lucky. I guess it kinda means curmudgeon... but I think JD likes the cranky pants persona...
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Post by firestorm on Jun 28, 2019 6:01:53 GMT -8
JD: I think you would be happier investing in Walmart, or at least shopping there, where you could be among your 45% (certainly not half the country, as you claim).
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Post by JDSoCal on Jun 28, 2019 19:29:33 GMT -8
I see the libs on the board, as usual, are all about tolerance and acceptance, until you disagree with them - then it’s off to the gulags!
Speaking of counties countries that actually do have active concentration camps (Muslims are imprisoned in China), apparently, Cook chose Shanghai instead of North Korea to build the Mac Pro. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by benoir on Jun 28, 2019 20:41:32 GMT -8
I see the libs on the board, as usual, are all about tolerance and acceptance, until you disagree with them - then it’s off to the gulags! Speaking of counties that actually do have active concentration camps (Muslims are imprisoned in China), apparently, Cook chose Shanghai instead of North Korea to build the Mac Pro. 🤷🏻♂️ Fair point, then it is a good thing that Apple has a core value around supplier responsibility and that they lead by example. From Apple’s Supplier Responsibility page: Good to know that you can make money where ethics is a core consideration. And who knows maybe some off that will leave an impression in China? Pretty hard to argue against...
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