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Post by pauls on Aug 1, 2019 11:36:37 GMT -8
Question: Before Trump, did Apple’s stock price ever fluctuate dramatically? Yes. Question: Does it make sense to launch a major salvo in a trade war via Twitter in the middle of a trading day?
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Post by lulli on Aug 1, 2019 11:36:58 GMT -8
F*ck Trump and his MAFA (make apple f*cked again) actions. that’s all. p.s. trump lovers - it’s not just apple... entire market always drops when he tweets on china or imposes tariffs... look at cat stock today, which is a prime american industrial company! but yeah, they sell to china, it’s called trade... American farmers too... trump really does f*ck america good, but go ahead believe what you will Any odds that we learn later that Trump pals are shorting the market and a Tariff Tweet prints money for them? Given his history, you're naive if you dismiss the possibility. Yes, I already ventured into this hypothesis in my earlier post. I totally believe that they are doing that. They don't have much morals anyhow, so why doubt this possibility?
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Post by pauls on Aug 1, 2019 11:37:54 GMT -8
F*ck Trump and his MAFA (make apple f*cked again) actions. that’s all. p.s. trump lovers - it’s not just apple... entire market always drops when he tweets on china or imposes tariffs... look at cat stock today, which is a prime american industrial company! but yeah, they sell to china, it’s called trade... American farmers too... trump really does f*ck america good, but go ahead believe what you will Any odds that we learn later that Trump pals are shorting the market and a Tariff Tweet prints money for them? Given his history, you're naive if you dismiss the possibility. Manafort is probably trading in his cell via stinky flip phone.
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Post by sponge on Aug 1, 2019 11:39:50 GMT -8
Just remind everyone that in May when the last skirmish started we only dropped 3.5% on day one and then ended up with 21% drop from the high post earnings . So we are just in the beginning of this little skirmish. My target is still 188, but options don’t seem to support that right now. It looks like it only wants to go into the high 190’s
I can see a day when we will drop 7% just like oil. Don’t know when it will happen but we have triggered lots of selling in all the main indices in the last two hours.
Volume is very high in the SPY.
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Post by JDSoCal on Aug 1, 2019 11:46:33 GMT -8
It's so funny when liberals, who claim we should all sacrifice and put what's best for the collective good ahead of personal greed, are the first to squeal like scalded hogs when AAPL goes down a blip, as Trump gets tough with the Chinese, who are cheating and stealing like crazy in trade and intellectual property and conspiring to hurt American companies, workers, consumers, and stockholders in the long run. I mean it isn't even up for debate that the Chinese are up to no good, only that Orange Man and his tweets are bad. I'm pretty damned long AAPL, but I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is and ride out some tough times to get the Chinese to play fair. Unless you're playing short term options - in which case, a fool is soon parted from his money regardless - sit back and watch the Chinese bristle for a change. They have a fuckload more to lose than America does, as even the liberal NY Times pointed out:
China Needs New Places to Sell Its Mountain of ShitI remember every president since Reagan running on cracking down on China. I remember Clinton in 1992 running on not granting China Most Favored Nation status (he did). Apparently a lot of people here conveniently forgot that President Obama slapped a stiff 35% tariff on Chinese tires in 2009. But Apple doesn't sell tires so I guess you left-leaning AAPL stockholders were willing to sacrifice other people's stock valuations for the common good?
Twitter isn't the only place I'm witnessing petulance and stompy feet.
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Post by Dave on Aug 1, 2019 12:31:33 GMT -8
Question: Before Trump, did Apple’s stock price ever fluctuate dramatically? Yes. Question: Does it make sense to launch a major salvo in a trade war via Twitter in the middle of a trading day? What would have been a better time for this announcement? Should it have been kept a secret?
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Post by Dave on Aug 1, 2019 12:38:18 GMT -8
It's so funny when liberals, who claim we should all sacrifice and put what's best for the collective good ahead of personal greed, are the first to squeal like scalded hogs when AAPL goes down a blip, as Trump gets tough with the Chinese, who are cheating and stealing like crazy in trade and intellectual property and conspiring to hurt American companies, workers, consumers, and stockholders in the long run. I mean it isn't even up for debate that the Chinese are up to no good, only that Orange Man and his tweets are bad. I'm pretty damned long AAPL, but I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is and ride out some tough times to get the Chinese to play fair. Unless you're playing short term options - in which case, a fool is soon parted from his money regardless - sit back and watch the Chinese bristle for a change. They have a fuckload more to lose than America does, as even the liberal NY Times pointed out:
China Needs New Places to Sell Its Mountain of ShitI remember every president since Reagan running on cracking down on China. I remember Clinton in 1992 running on not granting China Most Favored Nation status (he did). Apparently a lot of people here conveniently forgot that President Obama slapped a stiff 35% tariff on Chinese tires in 2009. But Apple doesn't sell tires so I guess you left-leaning AAPL stockholders were willing to sacrifice other people's stock valuations for the common good? Twitter isn't the only place I'm witnessing petulance and stompy feet. When one (Apple) deals with the devil (China) don’t be surprised at the outcome.
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Post by pauls on Aug 1, 2019 12:40:55 GMT -8
"What would have been a better time for this announcement? Should it have been kept a secret?"
Friday after market's close?
Question: Where would you like to see this end? Trump is threatening raising the 10% to "more than 25%". Does that sound good to you? Or just halting trade with China (by far our biggest trading partner) altogether? He has also suggested that, today.
Best to focus on the liberals, eh?
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Post by hledgard on Aug 1, 2019 13:14:57 GMT -8
The anti-Trump posts are terrible. They are ruining this board ! ! !
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Post by therealmercel on Aug 1, 2019 13:28:49 GMT -8
The anti-Trump posts are terrible. They are ruining this board ! ! ! I would argue the pro-Trump posts are the problem. lol
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Post by macster on Aug 1, 2019 13:42:02 GMT -8
Amazon Cloud Services are involved in the Capital One hack. imo is at the forefront of security and I will get my credit card as soon as its available. Bravo to Cook and team. The future can be secure.
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Post by chinacat on Aug 1, 2019 13:45:55 GMT -8
The anti-Trump posts are terrible. They are ruining this board ! ! ! Are you just becoming aware of the political split around here?!? Have you been posting in your sleep?
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Post by sponge on Aug 1, 2019 13:55:51 GMT -8
The anti-Trump posts are terrible. They are ruining this board ! ! ! Are you just becoming aware of the political split around here?!? Have you been posting in your sleep? Just get used to it for 4 more years😒
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Post by crispin on Aug 1, 2019 14:08:32 GMT -8
Eventually our American nightmare will end, and I sincerely hope we can return to some normalcy. Until then, I don’t see much escape from infantile tantrums and chaos. My plan is to do what I’ve always done, stay long and strong and ride it out.
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Post by macster on Aug 1, 2019 14:08:54 GMT -8
Are you just becoming aware of the political split around here?!? Have you been posting in your sleep? Just get used to it for 4 more years😒 Been going on for over 15 years. Every time the liberals bitch here there will be a response 5 times out of ten. 9 times out of ten somebody other than conservative leaning members start the insults. Lol
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Post by david on Aug 1, 2019 14:15:11 GMT -8
Are you just becoming aware of the political split around here?!? Have you been posting in your sleep? Just get used to it for 4 more years😒 Moderators: surely this is an entirely useless and irrelevant post. Just as much a single word post "drumpf" is. Move it to the Dungeon.
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Post by Luckychoices on Aug 1, 2019 14:26:15 GMT -8
It's so funny when liberals, who claim we should all sacrifice and put what's best for the collective good ahead of personal greed, are the first to squeal like scalded hogs when AAPL goes down a blip, as Trump gets tough with the Chinese, who are cheating and stealing like crazy in trade and intellectual property and conspiring to hurt American companies, workers, consumers, and stockholders in the long run. I mean it isn't even up for debate that the Chinese are up to no good, only that Orange Man and his tweets are bad. I'm pretty damned long AAPL, but I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is and ride out some tough times to get the Chinese to play fair. Unless you're playing short term options - in which case, a fool is soon parted from his money regardless - sit back and watch the Chinese bristle for a change. They have a fuckload more to lose than America does, as even the liberal NY Times pointed out:
China Needs New Places to Sell Its Mountain of ShitI remember every president since Reagan running on cracking down on China. I remember Clinton in 1992 running on not granting China Most Favored Nation status (he did). Apparently a lot of people here conveniently forgot that President Obama slapped a stiff 35% tariff on Chinese tires in 2009. But Apple doesn't sell tires so I guess you left-leaning AAPL stockholders were willing to sacrifice other people's stock valuations for the common good? Twitter isn't the only place I'm witnessing petulance and stompy feet. When one (Apple) deals with the devil (China) don’t be surprised at the outcome. Yes, Apple, Inc. is just a *horrible* company for dealing with China. /s Take a look at the country of manufacture of some of the *many* inexpensive products on the shelves in Walmart, or perhaps in your own home, and maybe you'll feel somewhat better about it. If you feel that China is the "devil", I'm surprised you'd invest in AAPL in the first place, since it's not like this manufacturing alliance just happened recently.
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Post by macster on Aug 1, 2019 14:27:00 GMT -8
Eventually our American nightmare will end, and I sincerely hope we can return to some normalcy. Until then, I don’t see much escape from infantile tantrums and chaos. My plan is to do what I’ve always done, stay long and strong and ride it out. Beg to disagree... Obama’s lack of a proven record and relevant experience was a major concern. When you hire anyone to a critical job, you look to their experience. The President of the United States should not be an entry-level position! Experience matters! It’s not a sufficient qualification, but it’s certainly a necessary one. Trump was preparing for decades. Without a track record of impressive experience, voters look at a candidate’s judgment. That’s why Obama’s judgment in picking friends and advisors remains relevant. His close associations with the fraudulent-ridden ACORN, controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright, convicted influence-peddler Tony Rezko, and unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers invited more questions than trust. He won though because turmoil and the chaos from the great recession debacle begat a sense that change was needed. Hope won but a dangerous false hope. The US dodged a bullet. Normalcy to many was the gradual deterioration of the American dream and freedoms. It is now being revived under this president.
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Post by Luckychoices on Aug 1, 2019 14:38:55 GMT -8
The anti-Trump posts are terrible. They are ruining this board ! ! ! This is *exactly* the type of comment that Trump himself might make if he were a member of AFB. Well, actually, he'd probably tweet it but you take my point. I think what you're *trying* to say is, " The anti-Trump posts are terrible. They are ruining this board for us Trump supporters!!!
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Post by sponge on Aug 1, 2019 14:50:27 GMT -8
I believe he will be re elected based on his tariff war with China.
That was my point.
Crazy market moves will be the norm for the next 4 years.
And if economy does hit recession next year I expect Apple to suffer with a p/e of 9-10.
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Post by therealmercel on Aug 1, 2019 15:12:42 GMT -8
I believe he will be re elected based on his tariff war with China. That was my point. Crazy market moves will be the norm for the next 4 years. And if economy does hit recession next year I expect Apple to suffer with a p/e of 9-10. Sorry, Sponge, your POTUS prediction is worth as much as your AAPL price predictions.
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Post by sponge on Aug 1, 2019 15:50:07 GMT -8
I believe he will be re elected based on his tariff war with China. That was my point. Crazy market moves will be the norm for the next 4 years. And if economy does hit recession next year I expect Apple to suffer with a p/e of 9-10. Sorry, Sponge, your POTUS prediction is worth as much as your AAPL price predictions. Hey my stock predictions may not be perfect but I have managed to make money in the last 12 months with alot more in the next 12. And that is regardless of who is president or who runs Apple. All based on TA. Trump has a good chance of being re elected simply based on who the opposition is and loyalty with the Republican party. There were about 6 million Rs that did not vote for him because they did not trust him on his policies. If the economy is not in a deep recession by this time next year, he will be in very good shape. He has proven not quite as effectively that he does attempt to accomplish what he preaches. On trade and taxes he has been very effective. The irony of the tariffs is that every D running against him has not pledged to remove them if elected.
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Post by silkstone on Aug 1, 2019 16:03:15 GMT -8
F*ck Trump and his MAFA (make apple f*cked again) actions. that’s all. p.s. trump lovers - it’s not just apple... entire market always drops when he tweets on china or imposes tariffs... look at cat stock today, which is a prime american industrial company! but yeah, they sell to china, it’s called trade... American farmers too... trump really does f*ck america good, but go ahead believe what you will Any odds that we learn later that Trump pals are shorting the market and a Tariff Tweet prints money for them? Given his history, you're naive if you dismiss the possibility.
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Post by silkstone on Aug 1, 2019 16:06:43 GMT -8
Any odds that we learn later that Trump pals are shorting the market and a Tariff Tweet prints money for them? Given his history, you're naive if you dismiss the possibility. Yep, for sure, no doubt about it. Makes me wonder why Trumps big buddy Carl Ichan has been so quiet for the last couple years. Strange behavior for a guy who couldn’t stay off tv before that.
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Post by silkstone on Aug 1, 2019 16:10:37 GMT -8
Sorry, Sponge, your POTUS prediction is worth as much as your AAPL price predictions. Hey my stock predictions may not be perfect but I have managed to make money in the last 12 months with alot more in the next 12. And that is regardless of who is president or who runs Apple. All based on TA. Trump has a good chance of being re elected simply based on who the opposition is and loyalty with the Republican party. There were about 6 million Rs that did not vote for him because they did not trust him on his policies. If the economy is not in a deep recession by this time next year, he will be in very good shape. He has proven not quite as effectively that he does attempt to accomplish what he preaches. On trade and taxes he has been very effective. The irony of the tariffs is that every D running against him has not pledged to remove them if elected. Right I get ya, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
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Post by Luckychoices on Aug 1, 2019 16:20:10 GMT -8
Why all the tears. BYFD is the motto here.
This selloff should not matter to those who hold the stock
Buy and hold thru the storms. I'm happy you've learned the important characteristics of staying long AAPL. Perhaps you'll reconsider your current investment method. And I saw no tears in the comments, just irritation about a statement from the president that could have just as easily been made after market close. I think I can make more by jumping in and out As I'm guessing you already know, sponge, I don't believe the technique of "jumping in and out" is a more effective method of investing than "buy and hold" when it comes to AAPL. In fact, the oldest shares for which my wife and I have records are 3,395 shares in our original trust account that we bought on 12/22/00 for the split adjusted price of $1.07/share. As of our close today, those particular shares are up 19,468%. I'm happy we chose the boring method of investing that original money instead of trying to "jump in and out" over the last 19 years. Below are 3 comments made by 3 different AFB members over the last two days. Now, in your considered opinion, which of these three comments would indicate that the person has been successful investing in AAPL. 1. I personally went from having $15K DOLLARS in AAPL 20 years ago, to having 500K SHARES this year. 2. I'm seeing a seven figure gain today in my portfolio 3. Made a quick 400% in 10 min on a very small position. Will use funds to pay off debt. Now see, my point is that statements containing the phrase, "seven figure gain" or "500K SHARES" need no further explanation. However, whenever someone uses a percentage without linking it with a $ amount, no real information is passed to the reader. And what's a "very small position"? Is that 400% of $100? 400% of $500? More? I'm happy that your recent gain will pay off your debt. Side note. If you hate Trump mentally prepare to see him until 2024. I don't hate Trump, sponge, but I *am* preparing myself mentally for seeing him back in a TV reality show in 2021, where he's fully qualified, or perhaps in a courtroom. Either one is fine with me.
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Post by BillH on Aug 1, 2019 16:42:32 GMT -8
I'm a little lost on why anyone thinks the international courts will be able to stop anyone from poaching intellectual property when even the US courts with US companies hasn't been willing to do anything about it. I'll use the Microsoft Windows and Google Android for the poster child of those since those are the ones. I'm most familiar with. My other thought for quite some time (sponge) is that there hasn't been a Republican Party for quite some time. They are about as far as one can get from the party I grew up with both economically (trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see) or philosophically when they adopted the Christian Right breaking the separation between church and state. I would love to see a Republican run for office in 2020 just to see what would happen.
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Post by JDSoCal on Aug 1, 2019 17:09:22 GMT -8
Truth be told, I'd love to see AAPL flirting with its ATH right now. But how soon we forget that AAPL closed at 120 on Obama's last day in office. So we're up 73% as of today's close during President Trump's administration, despite DJT's "dark force" conspiracy to BK all you libs on AAPL Finance Board! Honestly I came on here today looking for Apple news.
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Post by zzmac on Aug 1, 2019 17:24:05 GMT -8
The market not only kept from going down but went up like a rocket. SPY and QQQ are now above the 5 day MA. A very bullish sign The baton now got passed to Friday and Monday. We are still bearish on the SPY. On the MACD. Aapl MACD is building momentum to the bullish side so we may be revisiting 221 in the next two days. RSI at 72 Still in cash youtu.be/i4KiPM_CmoQ
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Post by zzmac on Aug 1, 2019 17:28:35 GMT -8
I believe he will be re elected based on his tariff war with China. That was my point. Crazy market moves will be the norm for the next 4 years. And if economy does hit recession next year I expect Apple to suffer with a p/e of 9-10. Sponge, I’ll bet my XR against your iPhone 4 that Trump doesn’t get re-elected.
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