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Post by bud777 on Dec 30, 2012 9:39:47 GMT -8
Thanks for the reports, Gregg. The iPhone 5 and 4S ratio fits within my ballpark. I have long been in agreement with the MSFT misstep theory. I would encourage Apple to be more open for new arenas. The "laser focus" theory is built around a strong ecosystem. New stuff doesn't necessarily thin Apple's focus. Instead, its more likely to open my wallet. "the hard part is saying to good ideas" Saying yes? Saying No? I could make a case either way
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2012 11:29:28 GMT -8
Maybe I am a cynic but it seems to me that the plan was to go over the cliff all along- such lack of leadership is astounding. I remember Blankfein coming out weeks ago saying that given where both sides were - if this was a business deal it would get done. These Washington clowns never held a real job - they cannot figure any of this crap out. They act more like street hoods on a corner - incredible at so many levels.
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Post by rosie on Dec 30, 2012 11:49:01 GMT -8
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Post by fas550 on Dec 30, 2012 11:59:27 GMT -8
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Post by mstrmac on Dec 30, 2012 12:04:29 GMT -8
Maybe I am a cynic but it seems to me that the plan was to go over the cliff all along- such lack of leadership is astounding. I remember Blankfein coming out weeks ago saying that given where both sides were - if this was a business deal it would get done. These Washington clowns never held a real job - they cannot figure any of this crap out. They act more like street hoods on a corner - incredible at so many levels. ditto Been trying to finish the Steve Jobs Bio that I received one year ago. The US has no leaders thats the problem. Obama is a bozo, the worst possible CEO at this time. I'm sure Jobs saw it too.
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Post by fas550 on Dec 30, 2012 12:05:49 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Dec 30, 2012 12:45:16 GMT -8
Wheeeee (/sarcasm, just in case)
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2012 13:23:48 GMT -8
Interestingly, the estate tax is NOT a big issue between dems and repubs since many dems come from farmland states and they DO NOT want to have this dealt with right now either. So I suspect they could actually agree on this or at least come to some compromise...however the press spins it as rich against poor....class war-fare. Boy oh boy....I've seen this movie before in my youth...Jets vs. Sharks....street fighters....in the end everyone loses.
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2012 13:24:48 GMT -8
CNBC just tweeted: BREAKING: Sen. McCain says Senate Republicans to take 'chained CPI' off the table.
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Post by alice on Dec 30, 2012 13:28:57 GMT -8
CNBC just tweeted: BREAKING: Sen. McCain says Senate Republicans to take 'chained CPI' off the table. I hope that means a deal. Any confirmation of this news?
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2012 13:43:02 GMT -8
CNBC just tweeted: BREAKING: Sen. McCain says Senate Republicans to take 'chained CPI' off the table. I hope that means a deal. Any confirmation of this news? It's in the press right now ... CNN, etc. This is just so ironic because now you have the idiots over at Business Insider saying that the GOP could not stick to their guns on the "chained CPI" (they need to come up with a better term than chained or this thing will be dead on arrival) and so now we know that the GOP senators are not fully behind it. This was just tweeted by Weisenthal over at BI. Unbelievable spin.
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Post by applemuncher on Dec 30, 2012 13:51:55 GMT -8
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Post by alice on Dec 30, 2012 14:27:12 GMT -8
What is the hold up to making the deal if the chained CPI is off the table?
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Post by lovemyipad on Dec 30, 2012 14:27:21 GMT -8
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Post by chasmac on Dec 30, 2012 14:38:48 GMT -8
We heard you were still in your footie PJs and were looking for something to do ;D Thanks for the cat herding iPad.
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Post by alice on Dec 30, 2012 15:05:46 GMT -8
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2012 15:09:25 GMT -8
Ok - Reid just came out and said they will now continue to negotiate but he is sending the others home because there will not be a vote tonight. The Senate is to reconvene at 11:00 am (why so late?) tomorrow morning. Futures - in the meantime - open somewhat flat. Tomorrow may be one wild day.
PS So ironic that they let everyone leave in time to watch the Redskins tonight...coincidence...NOT.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 15:18:02 GMT -8
What is the hold up to making the deal if the chained CPI is off the table? Because Reid and Pelosi smell blood. Now is when you press your perceived advantage. This is not about what is right for the Country, it is everything about looking good to the electorate. We are being led by a gaggle of whores, willing to f*ck the other guy as long as they don't have to pay for the pleasure of doing so. It is our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren that will pick up that tab once again, but it doesn't matter today's leadership because our children won't be voters in 2016 (and those that are will be the idealistic young that are easily swayed by feel good fiscal policies). Everyone should watch "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" once again (if you haven't already done so).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 15:22:01 GMT -8
LOOKING FOR SOME DATA COLLECTION ASSISTANCE.
Is anybody skilled enough to capture CBOE Open Interest data by Expiry? Please contact me at Gregg_Thurman@me.com
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Post by wheeles on Dec 30, 2012 15:56:38 GMT -8
Been thinking about Friday's action and it reminded me of the quote by legendary trader, Ed Seykota: "The trend is your friend except at the end when it bends."
Friday was very much a case of bending at the end. So, given the complete mess of broken short term trend lines that we saw, I really am inclined to think we are due for a spot of "up".
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Post by alice on Dec 30, 2012 16:11:12 GMT -8
Been thinking about Friday's action and it reminded me of the quote by legendary trader, Ed Seykota: " The trend is your friend except at the end when it bends." Friday was very much a case of bending at the end. So, given the complete mess of broken short term trend lines that we saw, I really am inclined to think we are due for a spot of "up". Wheeles, what are you seeing that makes you think this? Chart? Thanks.
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2012 16:19:06 GMT -8
Not that anyone gives a crap at this point but tonight is the HSBC China Flash PMI ... and of course with all this fiscal cliff drama we will hear no news stories about the insatiable appetite the Chinese have for the Mini-iPad.
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Post by mbeauch on Dec 30, 2012 16:19:13 GMT -8
I just looked at the futures, not tanking anyways. Slight shade of green. Tomorrow should be a media induced shit storm.
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Post by wheeles on Dec 30, 2012 16:20:07 GMT -8
Been thinking about Friday's action and it reminded me of the quote by legendary trader, Ed Seykota: " The trend is your friend except at the end when it bends." Friday was very much a case of bending at the end. So, given the complete mess of broken short term trend lines that we saw, I really am inclined to think we are due for a spot of "up". Wheeles, what are you seeing that makes you think this? Chart? Thanks. AAPL has been going down for quite a while now. Despite all this Fiscal Cliff stuff, AAPL couldn't sustain a downtrend, even a short one. That makes me think anyone who is going to sell/short at these levels has already done so. Ergo, we could see more success with rallies to the upside. That's not to say more sellers won't be found if AAPL gets hammered lower, but at this level sellers are looking a little tapped out. Either that, or the sellers are running into folk who are willing to take their stock off their hands without looking for even deeper discounts.
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2012 16:21:13 GMT -8
I just looked at the futures, not tanking anyways. Slight shade of green. Tomorrow should be a media induced shit storm. It's already starting tonight - CNBC is doing a special at 8:00 pm The Economy Held Hostage - so frigging ridiculous. I already tweeted them that they will be up against the Redskins/Cowboys game and that even the Senate was sent home to watch it....as I (ahem) predicted earlier.
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Post by kloot on Dec 30, 2012 17:26:39 GMT -8
I just looked at the futures, not tanking anyways. Slight shade of green. Tomorrow should be a media induced shit storm. It's already starting tonight - CNBC is doing a special at 8:00 pm The Economy Held Hostage - so frigging ridiculous. I already tweeted them that they will be up against the Redskins/Cowboys game and that even the Senate was sent home to watch it....as I (ahem) predicted earlier. good. it seems every time CNBC has a freak-out evening special, they mark the bottom, or close to it. I hate CNBC right now but feel i have to keep it on because of the stupid fake "cliff." +1 on "ridiculous"
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Post by alice on Dec 30, 2012 17:33:54 GMT -8
We have the FC issue now. The debt ceiling is coming real soon and will affect the markets negatively again. It is hard to see aapl recovering with these pressures.
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Post by lovemyipad on Dec 30, 2012 19:12:25 GMT -8
This time last year, we had Doomsday exhaustion. Remember Chicken Little taking an extended holiday and ignoring all urgent messages about the imminent collapse of the sky, Eurozone, etc.
Sentiment's a pendulum. The first time we dropped 200 points, we had a violent oversold bounce of nearly 100 points. This leg down to retest the lows was much weaker than the last visit to this neck of the woods.
The indices may have a retest of those mid-November lows, but AAPL's already been there, done that.
I don't know. Maybe there's another shove down to run those stops under 500 and force the last batch of margin liquidations. But 200 points and four months into a correction (crash), the downside from here is far more limited than the upside. That said, a final whipsaw could be a particularly diabolical parting gift. We shall see...
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Post by qualitywte on Dec 30, 2012 19:47:15 GMT -8
This time last year, we had Doomsday exhaustion. Remember Chicken Little taking an extended holiday and ignoring all urgent messages about the imminent collapse of the sky, Eurozone, etc. Sentiment's a pendulum. The first time we dropped 200 points, we had a violent oversold bounce of nearly 100 points. This leg down to retest the lows was much weaker than the last visit to this neck of the woods. The indices may have a retest of those mid-November lows, but AAPL's already been there, done that. I don't know. Maybe there's another shove down to run those stops under 500 and force the last batch of margin liquidations. But 200 points and four months into a correction (crash), the downside from here is far more limited than the upside. That said, a final whipsaw could be a particularly diabolical parting gift. We shall see... I tend to agree, AAPL has already taken her medicine.
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Post by alice on Dec 30, 2012 19:56:49 GMT -8
This time last year, how was aapl doing? PE? I don't recall feeling this bad over the share price last year. It feels like 2008 - share price wise now.
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