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Post by longsince98 on Aug 29, 2019 6:32:56 GMT -8
I don’t know how to start a thread, so hope I didn’t f it up! Quiet week. Have the political battles finally scared everyone away? What a shame we can’t be civilized with each other. Despite our differences, most people here seem intelligent and articulate enough to have well founded positions - so just avoid insulting each other and each other’s “sides”, so things don’t get too heated to save this board. You may be personally strongly ant-the current regime and party (as I am), but in posting to a political link or commenting on it, please do so without insulting trump or other republicans, and certainly not other board members. This board has been such a great resource for us all, and it’s being ruined. Here’s a news story 5 Things You Must Know: www.thestreet.com/markets/5-things-you-must-know-before-the-market-opens-thursday-15070172#4. Apple to Begin Online Sales in India
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Post by silkstone on Aug 29, 2019 7:05:40 GMT -8
I don’t know how to start a thread, so hope I didn’t f it up! Quiet week. Have the political battles finally scared everyone away? What a shame we can’t be civilized with each other. Despite our differences, most people here seem intelligent and articulate enough to have well founded positions - so just avoid insulting each other and each other’s “sides”, so things don’t get too heated to save this board. You may be personally strongly ant-the current regime and party (as I am), but in posting to a political link or commenting on it, please do so without insulting trump or other republicans, and certainly not other board members. This board has been such a great resource for us all, and it’s being ruined. Here’s a news story 5 Things You Must Know: www.thestreet.com/markets/5-things-you-must-know-before-the-market-opens-thursday-15070172#4. Apple to Begin Online Sales in India It’s not being ruined, the board is just a microcosm of what’s happening in America. The board will be fine as long as apple continues to be the greatest investment going. Insulting supporters is not the goal. The potus sets the standard for the world and it’s a pretty low standard. The bar is being set by him and we’re all just participating within those lowly parameters.
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Post by BillH on Aug 29, 2019 8:11:46 GMT -8
Here's a bit of news. Widely anticipated but news. . Attachments:
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Post by carbonate24 on Aug 29, 2019 8:26:29 GMT -8
For whatever it is worth, in my opinion, the political 'arguments' on the board seem to start when direct insults are hurled at Trump, Warren, Sanders, the Republicans, the Democrats, etc....Supporters of those individuals/groups tend to rush to their defense, using derogatory comments towards the opposite side. The actual subject matter seems to get lost in all of this bickering, and we are left with a bunch of material for the dungeon.
I think a lot of criticisms of Trump and both parties are certainly warranted in many cases. It just makes it difficult to maintain a civil dialog when an argument (no matter how factually correct) begins or ends with the Orange One or libtards or whatever. I think policy discussion on here as it relates to AAPL and Apple can be useful, and I hope it can exist in the future without the need to also comment on Trump being an a**hole or the Dems being idiots, etc...
Good luck to all the longs out there!
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Post by aaplcrazie on Aug 29, 2019 8:52:59 GMT -8
Buckle in! here it comes The September Event @ Park Attachments:
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Post by aaplcrazie on Aug 29, 2019 8:53:40 GMT -8
Ha BiillH you beat me to it
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Post by longsince98 on Aug 29, 2019 9:38:16 GMT -8
For whatever it is worth, in my opinion, the political 'arguments' on the board seem to start when direct insults are hurled at Trump, Warren, Sanders, the Republicans, the Democrats, etc....Supporters of those individuals/groups tend to rush to their defense, using derogatory comments towards the opposite side. The actual subject matter seems to get lost in all of this bickering, and we are left with a bunch of material for the dungeon. I think a lot of criticisms of Trump and both parties are certainly warranted in many cases. It just makes it difficult to maintain a civil dialog when an argument (no matter how factually correct) begins or ends with the Orange One or libtards or whatever. I think policy discussion on here as it relates to AAPL and Apple can be useful, and I hope it can exist in the future without the need to also comment on Trump being an a**hole or the Dems being idiots, etc... Good luck to all the longs out there! This is exactly my point as well. I think the substance of the political talk is valid and worthwhile. It’s the insults that cause us to devolve. Regardless of whether one believes trump has set the tone for the national/global discourse, the people who hate him, hate him partially for that very reason. So do better than the attributes you hate.
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Post by JDSoCal on Aug 29, 2019 12:23:12 GMT -8
Agreed 100% with your call for civility. I, for one, look forward when were back above ATH's for AAPL and the DOW and NASDAQ, and the louder AFB denizens can return their narrative from "OMG Trump is ruining the economy and markets!" back to "yay for the Obama recovery!" Regarding 9/10, I'm looking to replace my iPhone 8 that I dropped into my pool and hasn't worked right since.
Not sure if I can live without touch ID though.
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Post by benoir on Aug 29, 2019 12:41:35 GMT -8
On Discourse... This board, to me, is an Index of Sentiment and as such political discussion as it relates to Apple/APPL is a valid part of the mix. So to that end I very much agree with Silkstone and longish. I think the line is crossed when the back and forth degenerates into diatribe directed at contributors here. It’s a tricky one because a slight does not necessarily need to be direct in order to illicit a response in kind, it can be subtle or indirect - the snarky comment.
I think it is established I’m not a fan of Trump. But much of my dismissal of Trump has got little to do with Trumps political disposition - remember he was once a Democrat and a friend of the Clintons. And as Trump has directly poked and prodded Apple/APPL and is manifestly controversial, and holds a position in public office, the Presidency is therefore open to criticism. In the same way E. Warren is open to criticism on her, ill conceived (IMO), push to break Apple up.
On candy apple... Delicious invite. ‘By innovation only’, has a nice positive ring to it. I hope they over deliver.
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Post by longsince98 on Aug 29, 2019 12:54:07 GMT -8
On Discourse... This board, to me, is an Index of Sentiment and as such political discussion as it relates to Apple/APPL is a valid part of the mix. So to that end I very much agree with Silkstone and longish. I think the line is crossed when the back and forth degenerates into diatribe directed at contributors here. It’s a tricky one because a slight does not necessarily need to be direct in order to illicit a response in kind, it can be subtle or indirect - the snarky comment. I think it is established I’m not a fan of Trump. But much of my dismissal of Trump has got little to do with Trumps political disposition - remember he was once a Democrat and a friend of the Clintons. I just think he’s a fraud. And as Trump has directly poked and prodded Apple/APPL and is manifestly controversial, and holds a position in public office, the Presidency is therefore open to criticism. In the same way E. Warren is open to criticism on her, ill conceived (IMO), push to break Apple up. On candy apple... Delicious invite. ‘By innovation only’, has a nice positive ring to it. I hope they over deliver. Hey Benoir.. first I’ll say that I’m about as liberal as they come, and despise the current political climate. But if I may (please don’t take offense), I think saying everything above minus the insult of calling trump a fraud (even if many of us believe he is), reduces the chance of inflaming tensions with other board members of the opposite political stance. Having the political debates is valuable - the insults (to member, party or individual) are what may lead to the destruction of this board. My reasonable cents (with respect)
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Post by stub on Aug 29, 2019 13:00:10 GMT -8
Agreed 100% with your call for civility. I, for one, look forward when were back above ATH's for AAPL and the DOW and NASDAQ, and the louder AFB denizens can return their narrative from "OMG Trump is ruining the economy and markets!" back to "yay for the Obama recovery!" Regarding 9/10, I'm looking to replace my iPhone 8 that I dropped into my pool and hasn't worked right since. Not sure if I can live without touch ID though.
I'm thinking the next ATH could be sooner than we think. Maybe within the next 2 months? What do you think?
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Post by benoir on Aug 29, 2019 13:32:09 GMT -8
. [/quote]Hey Benoir.. first I’ll say that I’m about as liberal as they come, and despise the current political climate. But if I may (please don’t take offense), I think saying everything above minus the insult of calling trump a fraud (even if many of us believe he is), reduces the chance of inflaming tensions with other board members of the opposite political stance.
Having the political debates is valuable - the insults (to member, party or individual) are what may lead to the destruction of this board.
My reasonable cents (with respect)[/quote]
My bad! See my edit. In my part of the world the oscillation between the centre left and the centre right has generally delivered good stable accountable governance. So whilst I sit on the left I acknowledge that it is healthy in a political system to oscillate. It challenges both sides. And to that end, I for instance, really enjoy engaging, with say JD. Sometimes I think he says dumb things, but then so do I. I like the fact That JD has a completely different political persuasion as it challenges my ideas and assumptions. Sometimes it weakens my ideas and sometimes it strengthens my convictions. Anyway, I was hoping, in my previous post, to suggest that it’s not the contributors here that I might have a problem with. I really like the idea that this is an index of sentiment and gives legitimacy to those comments how ever much I may initially disagree or agree with them Thanks for picking me up there.
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Post by walterwhite on Aug 29, 2019 13:35:19 GMT -8
not to rain on all this kumbaya-singing, but the civilities will end as soon as trump tweets a few things that drop the market by 3% and aapl by 5%.
appreciate the gesture of the peaceniks here (who for some reason feel the need to apologize for being liberal), but trump is clearly beyond simple politics... i voted for mccain in 2008, and i truly despite trump and everything he represents... call me a nevertrumper, i guess... i know we're a dying breed
back to markets and aapl, it's just plain facts (with multiple documented occurrences) that trump can erase hundreds of billions of dollars in market cap from stocks in minutes with a few tweets... this is completely unprecedented, remember he's the first 'tweeting' president that uses that channel strategically, often leaving even his closest advisors in the dark, apparently... it also doesn't matter if i call him 'orange man' or 'dear mr president', the damage is real.
i firmly believe aapl would be at ATH already if not for the trade war, just look at the stock's reaction to april earnings call (and again recently)... i won't convince anyone of that who doesn't want to believe it... even if i do, jdsocal will butt in how it's cool to be 'patriotic' and suffer temporary losses
imho it's completely unrealistic to try to temper down the valid frustration with trump... we ain't seen nothin' yet; markets are actually near ath's and economy seems to be decent... imagine if trump accidentally plunges it into a recession...
finally as longsince1ish points out, trump sets the tone... sorta silly of me to walk on eggshells here when he regularly blasts people (of all political stripes) and media (even his beloved fox) as bad, FAKE, terrible, horrible, disgraceful, 'sad', 'SAD' and so on... not to mention 'pocahontas' for warren, 'lyin' ted' for ted cruz... and dozens more...
but sure, i'll try to refrain from posting pics of his golden toilet next time he going on a twitterstorm... ...lest the occasional trumpie snowflake here gets insulted oops, did i just transgress? and i was doing so well with restraint!
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Post by longsince98 on Aug 29, 2019 13:49:56 GMT -8
not to rain on all this kumbaya-singing, but the civilities will end as soon as trump tweets a few things that drop the market by 3% and aapl by 5%. appreciate the gesture of the peaceniks here (who for some reason feel the need to apologize for being liberal), but trump is clearly beyond simple politics... i voted for mccain in 2008, and i truly despite trump and everything he represents... call me a nevertrumper, i guess... i know we're a dying breed back to markets and aapl, it's just plain facts (with multiple documented occurrences) that trump can erase hundreds of billions of dollars in market cap from stocks in minutes with a few tweets... this is completely unprecedented, remember he's the first 'tweeting' president that uses that channel strategically, often leaving even his closest advisors in the dark, apparently... it also doesn't matter if i call him 'orange man' or 'dear mr president', the damage is real. i firmly believe aapl would be at ATH already if not for the trade war, just look at the stock's reaction to april earnings call (and again recently)... i won't convince anyone of that who doesn't want to believe it... even if i do, jdsocal will butt in how it's cool to be 'patriotic' and suffer temporary losses imho it's completely unrealistic to try to temper down the valid frustration with trump... we ain't seen nothin' yet; markets are actually near ath's and economy seems to be decent... imagine if trump accidentally plunges it into a recession...
finally as longsince1ish points out, trump sets the tone... sorta silly of me to walk on eggshells here when he regularly blasts people (of all political stripes) and media (even his beloved fox) as bad, FAKE, terrible, horrible, disgraceful, 'sad', 'SAD' and so on... not to mention 'pocahontas' for warren, 'lyin' ted' for ted cruz... and dozens more... but sure, i'll try to refrain from posting pics of his golden toilet next time he going on a twitterstorm... ...lest the occasional trumpie snowflake here gets insulted oops, did i just transgress? and i was doing so well with restraint! i’m not suggesting we don’t talk about the issues. All I’m suggesting is that everyone avoids insulting each other’s sides - for the sake of the board’s health. The members on the extreme right are comparably good/bad contributors as the extreme left - it’s just difficult to understand opposing core beliefs. So fighting to the point of turning this place into a silly trolling forum is just a shame for what’s been a valuable resource to us all. It will surely turn away some strong members.
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Post by walterwhite on Aug 29, 2019 13:53:37 GMT -8
I think saying everything above minus the insult of calling trump a fraud (even if many of us believe he is), reduces the chance of inflaming tensions with other board members of the opposite political stance. Having the political debates is valuable - the insults (to member, party or individual) are what may lead to the destruction of this board. My reasonable cents (with respect) appreciate your intentions, but not all opinions are meant as insults... i think trump is a fraud in the sense that it is true, that he is not a genuine person, a flagrant liar (this is provable and documented, made easier since trump often contradicts his own prior statements) and poseur... ...plus there's a long tradition here of bashing all the anti-apple forces like competitors, analysts, cnbc talking heads and so on... i guess trump get a pass because there several fans here, but no fans of melissa lee on cnbc or some analysts that slaps a bearish target on aapl? and again like you said yourself, trump sets the tone... here's what really did it for me last week:
this is professional troll level stuff! again, i don't mean 'troll' as an insult... in fact, trump is amazing at doing it! but he's trolling this no-name candidate, and in the process trolls all the savers losing money in their 401k's... i just went to his feed to take a look, and here's what pops up straight away:
LameStream media, huh?! how is this not exactly like 'libtards' and 'orange man'? (i love 'ALL APOLOGIZE!' also) so maybe there will be a golden toilet picture in the future from me, after all... not making promises either way p.s. cheers to the longs! $209 is 'ok' in the current climate, i suppose... though i thought we'd leave this number in the dust on may 1st.
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Post by walterwhite on Aug 29, 2019 14:01:11 GMT -8
btw where is sponge??
when he posts 5 different price targets per day it might get tiresome, but i have to admit i miss the guy!
plus i'm missing my favorite contrarian indicator!
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Post by longsince98 on Aug 29, 2019 14:09:52 GMT -8
I think saying everything above minus the insult of calling trump a fraud (even if many of us believe he is), reduces the chance of inflaming tensions with other board members of the opposite political stance. Having the political debates is valuable - the insults (to member, party or individual) are what may lead to the destruction of this board. My reasonable cents (with respect) appreciate your intentions, but not all opinions are meant as insults... i think trump is a fraud in the sense that it is true, that he is not a genuine person, a flagrant liar (this is provable and documented, made easier since trump often contradicts his own prior statements) and poseur... ...plus there's a long tradition here of bashing all the anti-apple forces like competitors, analysts, cnbc talking heads and so on... i guess trump get a pass because there several fans here, but no fans of melissa lee on cnbc or some analysts that slaps a bearish target on aapl? and again like you said yourself, trump sets the tone... here's what really did it for me last week:
this is professional troll level stuff! again, i don't mean 'troll' as an insult... in fact, trump is amazing at doing it! but he's trolling this no-name candidate, and in the process trolls all the savers losing money in their 401k's... i just went to his feed to take a look, and here's what pops up straight away:
LameStream media, huh?! how is this not exactly like 'libtards' and 'orange man'? (i love 'ALL APOLOGIZE!' also) so maybe there will be a golden toilet picture in the future from me, after all... not making promises either way p.s. cheers to the longs! $209 is 'ok' in the current climate, i suppose... though i thought we'd leave this number in the dust on may 1st.
Alrighty.. my last attempt before giving up. Posting the above minus the inflaming commentary will help keep us from becoming a crappy Yahoo board. There’s value in the facts, but no value in subjective inflaming perspectives IMO. 🙌🏼
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Post by deasys on Aug 29, 2019 14:27:30 GMT -8
The members on the extreme right are comparably good/bad contributors as the extreme left I'm on the extreme right…and I hate 45. He disgusts me.
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Post by therealmercel on Aug 29, 2019 16:53:29 GMT -8
I'm a moderate - I suppose that makes me a "modtard." The extreme left and right scare me, as does POTUS for very different reasons (racist, hypocrite, corrupt, mythomaniac and incompetent - he's a quintuplet threat).
I think the Sept. event will herald the launch the 16" MBP, in addition to iPhones and Watches. AAPL should see a rise to $215 running into the event, depending on POTUS tweets.
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Post by hledgard on Aug 29, 2019 17:53:21 GMT -8
I don’t know how to start a thread, so hope I didn’t f it up! Quiet week. Have the political battles finally scared everyone away? What a shame we can’t be civilized with each other. Despite our differences, most people here seem intelligent and articulate enough to have well founded positions - so just avoid insulting each other and each other’s “sides”, so things don’t get too heated to save this board. You may be personally strongly ant-the current regime and party (as I am), but in posting to a political link or commenting on it, please do so without insulting trump or other republicans, and certainly not other board members. This board has been such a great resource for us all, and it’s being ruined. Here’s a news story 5 Things You Must Know: www.thestreet.com/markets/5-things-you-must-know-before-the-market-opens-thursday-15070172#4. Apple to Begin Online Sales in India Love this post ! ! ! Thanks longsince7ish !
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Post by walterwhite on Aug 29, 2019 18:10:53 GMT -8
I'm a moderate - I suppose that makes me a "modtard." The extreme left and right scare me, as does POTUS for very different reasons (racist, hypocrite, corrupt, mythomaniac and incompetent - he's a quintuplet threat). I think the Sept. event will herald the launch the 16" MBP, in addition to iPhones and Watches. AAPL should see a rise to $215 running into the event, depending on POTUS tweets. omg... 'modtard' left me in stitches! (that would make me a modtard too... but we've established here that intensely disliking 45, as deasys called him, does not have any specific left-of-center prerequisite)
$215 would be such a tease! when i bought the dip aggressively in January (calls) i had $220 as the mental target to exit the swing trade... my bet was apple-fundamentals-related, but i failed to consider how much damage trump could do through trade war (remember there was supposed to be a 'sure' deal by may)...
so then we got a $215 print in early may and I thought i'd be cashing out in a couple days, but we know what happened... (low $170s) 3 months later, deja-vu... this time $217 iirc! (then low $190s couple days later)
each time aapl got pushed down on trade stuff (more specifically, a tweetstorm)
i would hate for this to repeat a 3rd time, but mentally prepared... the swing trade has already taken twice as long as intended (8 months vs 4)
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 29, 2019 21:06:44 GMT -8
$215 would be such a tease! when i bought the dip aggressively in January (calls) i had $220 as the mental target to exit the swing trade... my bet was apple-fundamentals-related, but i failed to consider how much damage trump could do through trade war (remember there was supposed to be a 'sure' deal by may)...
so then we got a $215 print in early may and I thought i'd be cashing out in a couple days, but we know what happened... (low $170s) 3 months later, deja-vu... this time $217 iirc! (then low $190s couple days later)
each time aapl got pushed down on trade stuff (more specifically, a tweetstorm) i would hate for this to repeat a 3rd time, but mentally prepared... the swing trade has already taken twice as long as intended (8 months vs 4)
What's your goal here? The POTUS has been in office now for approaching 3 years. We know he is erratic. There's lots of other words that can be used too. But, in buying in January, he had already been in office for 2 years, and was well into doling out tariffs as a way to try to fix things. Whether you agree with that tactic or not, no matter. It is the hammer that he is using, repeatedly. So, instead of taking responsibility for your choice of buying options when you knew the current POTUS is erratic and was using tariffs, on others and on China, you are now throwing that up on your wall of worry, and having a hissy fit anytime that the market and stock dip? SELL SELL SELL! Just like Sponge. Stop fretting about things you can't control. Get into something with manufacturing in the US. Most still sell to China, but there's got to be something if you have a shorter timeframe. Clorox? Oil of some sort? McDonalds? AMD/Intel? Heck, go Google or Netflix since they aren't in China. Facebook? Or bet big with Twitter, knowing they are getting plenty of attention from POTUS. Now that would be a bold move! It's frustrating to have things move around seemingly sporadically. But you know why it will move (China trade issues) and you know who will move most (companies with exposure to China). You know that the whole trade deal is going to keep on going for a while, at some level. And you know that '45' will be in office for a little over 1 or even 5 more years, most likely. So if you don't like seeing AAPL move, positively or negatively, on a whim, then SELL SELL SELL Many long term investors here have held for more than 5 years, and plan to hold at least some shares for more than 5 years. But, speaking from plenty of experience with AAPL options that both made me gain lots of money and lose lots of money, options are a whole different ball game. These days I just hold stock. I say this because you seem to be the most pissed off of anyone with those ups and downs. Heck, at least Sponge would throw a new target out there, while getting out of his position at a gain or loss. Good luck out there.
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Post by Dave on Aug 30, 2019 4:07:42 GMT -8
$215 would be such a tease! when i bought the dip aggressively in January (calls) i had $220 as the mental target to exit the swing trade... my bet was apple-fundamentals-related, but i failed to consider how much damage trump could do through trade war (remember there was supposed to be a 'sure' deal by may)...
so then we got a $215 print in early may and I thought i'd be cashing out in a couple days, but we know what happened... (low $170s) 3 months later, deja-vu... this time $217 iirc! (then low $190s couple days later)
each time aapl got pushed down on trade stuff (more specifically, a tweetstorm) i would hate for this to repeat a 3rd time, but mentally prepared... the swing trade has already taken twice as long as intended (8 months vs 4)
What's your goal here? The POTUS has been in office now for approaching 3 years. We know he is erratic. There's lots of other words that can be used too. But, in buying in January, he had already been in office for 2 years, and was well into doling out tariffs as a way to try to fix things. Whether you agree with that tactic or not, no matter. It is the hammer that he is using, repeatedly. So, instead of taking responsibility for your choice of buying options when you knew the current POTUS is erratic and was using tariffs, on others and on China, you are now throwing that up on your wall of worry, and having a hissy fit anytime that the market and stock dip? SELL SELL SELL! Just like Sponge. Stop fretting about things you can't control. Get into something with manufacturing in the US. Most still sell to China, but there's got to be something if you have a shorter timeframe. Clorox? Oil of some sort? McDonalds? AMD/Intel? Heck, go Google or Netflix since they aren't in China. Facebook? Or bet big with Twitter, knowing they are getting plenty of attention from POTUS. Now that would be a bold move! It's frustrating to have things move around seemingly sporadically. But you know why it will move (China trade issues) and you know who will move most (companies with exposure to China). You know that the whole trade deal is going to keep on going for a while, at some level. And you know that '45' will be in office for a little over 1 or even 5 more years, most likely. So if you don't like seeing AAPL move, positively or negatively, on a whim, then SELL SELL SELL Many long term investors here have held for more than 5 years, and plan to hold at least some shares for more than 5 years. But, speaking from plenty of experience with AAPL options that both made me gain lots of money and lose lots of money, options are a whole different ball game. These days I just hold stock. I say this because you seem to be the most pissed off of anyone with those ups and downs. Heck, at least Sponge would throw a new target out there, while getting out of his position at a gain or loss. Good luck out there. Well said, I agree 100%.
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Post by lulli on Aug 30, 2019 5:37:07 GMT -8
I disagree.
45's Erraticism and other things to go unnamed here have always existed, but now they are relatively less constrained and the danger is arguable larger. To the china supply chain, to world trade at large, to the economy. The trade war as it is being conducted could arguably plunge the whole world into a recession. So I understand whalterwhite's worries. We live in unique times, influenced by the unique behavior of a specific person. You cannot look at what is happening now, and the corresponding dangers, through a traditional political lens.
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Post by Dave on Aug 30, 2019 6:48:14 GMT -8
I disagree. 45's Erraticism and other things to go unnamed here have always existed, but now they are relatively less constrained and the danger is arguable larger. To the china supply chain, to world trade at large, to the economy. The trade war as it is being conducted could arguably plunge the whole world into a recession. So I understand whalterwhite's worries. We live in unique times, influenced by the unique behavior of a specific person. You cannot look at what is happening now, and the corresponding dangers, through a traditional political lens. There is but one person that is responsible for how, when and what each of us invest in. The investment environment is constantly changing, influenced by many things, ranging from major world events to even the weather. If anyone wants to point fingers then point at the previous administrations that open the doors to a communist country, encouraging American business to move manufacturing off-shore. Or the business leaders ( Tim Cook) that were foolish enough to move all of their companies manufacturing into a country that has already shown its desire for world domination. Or a political party that will do anything to regain power, including the destruction of this country. It may already be too late to turn this mess around with China, but I'm proud that there is someone willing to make the effort and not "kick the can down the road" as others have. Donald Trump may not be perfect but he's perfect for the job that's been handed to him.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 30, 2019 7:21:27 GMT -8
I disagree. 45's Erraticism and other things to go unnamed here have always existed, but now they are relatively less constrained and the danger is arguable larger. To the china supply chain, to world trade at large, to the economy. The trade war as it is being conducted could arguably plunge the whole world into a recession. So I understand whalterwhite's worries. We live in unique times, influenced by the unique behavior of a specific person. You cannot look at what is happening now, and the corresponding dangers, through a traditional political lens. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the politics. I am saying this is a known thing, and especially looking at the shorter term, you need to absorb that and make a decision instead of worrying about the daily changes. Think if an active volcano suddenly appeared near Apple's main campus or manufacturing. Crazy comparison, but really it's similar. There's a new risk, and you can't do much about it. Complain all you want, but Mother Earth will squash you like a bug if you don't heed. And so, on days there is gurgling in the volcano on the side Apple is on, things are bad, and the stock plummets. But other days, the volcano is quiet, things are calm, and the stock recovers a bit. At what point do investors get out, tired of the daily moves they have no control over? Or do they sit around, waiting for a great wall to encapsulate their side of the mountain, even if it will take 1-5 years...and maybe not fully stop the volcano anyways. Like politics, you have people complaining about it, mad at the volcano. But like the politics, all the belly aching does nothing. It doesn't change the volcano, just as it doesn't change politics. You've got a choice. Buy Hold or Sell. There doesn't seem to be a lot of selling going on here, even for those that complain the most. I'm all for directly on-topic political posts here, but I do have to ask when is the last time that a political post here, on topic or not, has made you buy, hold, or sell your investment. If it doesn't, then what is the point of it being here. Does posting it make you feel better enough to make up for driving the board apart? What is the gain, if you don't actually use this outlet about politics to make an investment decision? (keeping this in this thread, to help section it off. I liked, after a day away, that most people were clear minded enough to understand that political attacks are a slippery slope that divides, and the realization that there is a way to post about the latest political change that affects Apple without attacking. Thanks)
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Post by silkstone on Aug 30, 2019 8:06:38 GMT -8
I disagree. 45's Erraticism and other things to go unnamed here have always existed, but now they are relatively less constrained and the danger is arguable larger. To the china supply chain, to world trade at large, to the economy. The trade war as it is being conducted could arguably plunge the whole world into a recession. So I understand whalterwhite's worries. We live in unique times, influenced by the unique behavior of a specific person. You cannot look at what is happening now, and the corresponding dangers, through a traditional political lens. There is but one person that is responsible for how, when and what each of us invest in. The investment environment is constantly changing, influenced by many things, ranging from major world events to even the weather. If anyone wants to point fingers then point at the previous administrations that open the doors to a communist country, encouraging American business to move manufacturing off-shore. Or the business leaders ( Tim Cook) that were foolish enough to move all of their companies manufacturing into a country that has already shown its desire for world domination. Or a political party that will do anything to regain power, including the destruction of this country. It may already be too late to turn this mess around with China, but I'm proud that there is someone willing to make the effort and not "kick the can down the road" as others have. Donald Trump may not be perfect but he's perfect for the job that's been handed to him. Agreed, we are each responsible for our investment decisions. American businesses moved offshore to save money and to be more efficient, not because they were told to or because they were unpatriotic. Tim Cook is the most brilliant supply chain guru in recent business history, that’s why Steve Jobs hand picked him for the job. And that’s why Apples revenues, profits and stock price have all risen dramatically under his watch. Any contrary opinion is fake news. As far as who wants to dominate the world 🌎, please explain to me why we have 20 aircraft carriers and China has two. And remember each of those carriers has many many support ships with it. As far as potus and the gop loving on Putin and Russia, it’s wrong and anybody agreeing with it needs to envision what it would be like with the Dems sucking up to and taking assistance from communist China. How would that make you feel ? Outside interference in our political process needs to be condemned by everyone so we can move on to a better place in this country.
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Post by silkstone on Aug 30, 2019 8:46:10 GMT -8
I disagree. 45's Erraticism and other things to go unnamed here have always existed, but now they are relatively less constrained and the danger is arguable larger. To the china supply chain, to world trade at large, to the economy. The trade war as it is being conducted could arguably plunge the whole world into a recession. So I understand whalterwhite's worries. We live in unique times, influenced by the unique behavior of a specific person. You cannot look at what is happening now, and the corresponding dangers, through a traditional political lens. There is but one person that is responsible for how, when and what each of us invest in. The investment environment is constantly changing, influenced by many things, ranging from major world events to even the weather. If anyone wants to point fingers then point at the previous administrations that open the doors to a communist country, encouraging American business to move manufacturing off-shore. Or the business leaders ( Tim Cook) that were foolish enough to move all of their companies manufacturing into a country that has already shown its desire for world domination. Or a political party that will do anything to regain power, including the destruction of this country. It may already be too late to turn this mess around with China, but I'm proud that there is someone willing to make the effort and not "kick the can down the road" as others have. Donald Trump may not be perfect but he's perfect for the job that's been handed to him. Having an opinion not supported by the facts or contrary to the facts is called a weak opinion. And no, you don’t just get to make up your own facts so you can support your opinion, that would be Fox News or fake news, whatever you want to call it.
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Post by hledgard on Aug 30, 2019 19:11:34 GMT -8
Like you post 4AAPL. Spot on, and with really good detail !
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Post by walterwhite on Aug 31, 2019 20:27:51 GMT -8
Think if an active volcano suddenly appeared near Apple's main campus or manufacturing. Crazy comparison, but really it's similar. There's a new risk, and you can't do much about it. Complain all you want, but Mother Earth will squash you like a bug if you don't heed. And so, on days there is gurgling in the volcano on the side Apple is on, things are bad, and the stock plummets. But other days, the volcano is quiet, things are calm, and the stock recovers a bit. At what point do investors get out, tired of the daily moves they have no control over? Or do they sit around, waiting for a great wall to encapsulate their side of the mountain, even if it will take 1-5 years...and maybe not fully stop the volcano anyways. Like politics, you have people complaining about it, mad at the volcano. But like the politics, all the belly aching does nothing. It doesn't change the volcano, just as it doesn't change politics. beautiful stuff about the volcano... but using your analogy: ...the volcano appeared near Apple's campus in november 2016 (maybe december or whenever peter navarro's name first appeared as a close circle of 45) ...the volcano was largely dormant in regard to apple... it did rock the broader markets in late 2018 ("i'm a tariff man") but it was mostly words ...the volcano was supposed to be 'defused' by end of april (some controlled explosions followed december... in january-april) ...the volcano erupted 'BIGLY' only in early may 2019, 2.5 years after appearing on the horizon...since starting the eruption, the volcano has spouted a mix of fire, brimstone and s**t... i mean ash on and off for the past nearly 4 months we're cool now? is it ok to comment on the effect of this eruption on apple, given some of that s**t (i mean ash) is falling directly on Apple's spaceship campus?
like apple's 2 fastest-growing products (watch and airpods) getting hit with 15% tariffs as of 15 min ago?
is that relevant enough? you're a long-term common-only (these days, i believe you mentioned options in the past) buy-and-holder... great, happy for you that you can take the long-term perspective and wait for the volcano dissipate (though unclear why you'd even care to come here at all, given that the volcano clearly has an outsized effect on apple in the near-term, and you said you don't care to hear or read anything about the volcano)... some of us with shorter-term positions and swings trades don't have the luxury of ignoring the mountain of crap erupting near cupertino! (to clarify, i also have a long-term stock position but have swing trades in addition to that long-term position)
happy labor day to you and everyone... the eruptions in my bb q pit will surely distract from the other ones.
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