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Post by chinacat on Aug 30, 2019 4:28:03 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Aug 30, 2019 5:51:19 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Aug 30, 2019 7:04:16 GMT -8
I find it disheartening that the political posts from yesterday are still getting more responses today than today’s Apple news. And yes, I do realize the impact that politics has on our favorite fruit company’s stock, but that’s not what I come here for. There is plenty of that available elsewhere.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 30, 2019 7:39:47 GMT -8
I find it disheartening that the political posts from yesterday are still getting more responses today than today’s Apple news. And yes, I do realize the impact that politics has on our favorite fruit company’s stock, but that’s not what I come here for. There is plenty of that available elsewhere. Sorry for being part of the problem, while mainly trying to defuse the situation. For ease, let's keep replies from yesterday in yesterday's thread....or the dungeon. But it looked like most people had the realization that politics is a slippery slope, and there is a way to post about the latest governmental action without attacking. "Just the facts, M'am. Just the facts" Personally, I came to the realization that I can't think of the last time I made an investment decision based on a political post here. Nor do I see anyone else doing such, even the shorter term traders that complain the most of a move that is completely out of their hands. While it's important to know of the latest tax, tariff, or policy change, and I can see discussion on such making sense, I have to wonder when the last time someone here made a decision to buy, hold, or sell based on such. Or does it just degrade quickly and tear the board apart? I have no interest in coming here for political complaints or rants, but if that really is what the board wants to become it could. OTOH, I do come here to see what helped cause the latest move in AAPL, sometimes political but most often otherwise. And on more normal days, I come here to see some of the latest Apple news, especially in the lead up to a big announcement. Chinacat, and others, post such a great selection of articles gathered from all over the place, and then we often have discussion about those. That's the real value I see. What do you want this board to be? Why do you come here? We can make it what we want, but just like at Apple sometimes that takes focus, dropping off side projects and focusing on what matters most. What can make a dent in the universe. Or at least what can move the needle. Let's be part of the solution, and make this board what we want it to be, a great place for Apple and AAPL discussion.
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Post by silkstone on Aug 30, 2019 8:19:55 GMT -8
I find it disheartening that the political posts from yesterday are still getting more responses today than today’s Apple news. And yes, I do realize the impact that politics has on our favorite fruit company’s stock, but that’s not what I come here for. There is plenty of that available elsewhere. Yes, but it’s not going away soon so why try to avoid the 800 lb gorilla. Because guess what ? He’s sitting right on top of our apple investments and it’s gettig hard to breathe. I’d rather go down swinging. Keep it civil by avoiding personal swipes but don’t just sit back and say I’m not gonna talk about what’s going on because it bothers some folks. Leadership sets the tone for any good organization, you can’t have a great organization without great leadership and you sure as hell cant have a great organization with crappy leadership. So we’ll just have to suck it up and live with our poor decision for another year or so. Hopefully Apple will continue to thrive under Tim cooks great leadership.
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Post by chinacat on Aug 30, 2019 9:13:30 GMT -8
I find it disheartening that the political posts from yesterday are still getting more responses today than today’s Apple news. And yes, I do realize the impact that politics has on our favorite fruit company’s stock, but that’s not what I come here for. There is plenty of that available elsewhere. Sorry for being part of the problem, while mainly trying to defuse the situation. For ease, let's keep relies from yesterday in yesterday's thread....or the dungeon. But it looked like most people had the realization that politics is a slippery slope, and there is a way to post about the latest governmental action without attacking. "Just the facts, M'am. Just the facts" Personally, I came to the realization that I can't think of the last time I made an investment decision based on a political post here. Nor do I see anyone else doing such, even the shorter term traders that complain the most of a move that is completely out of their hands. While it's important to know of the latest tax, tariff, or policy change, and I can see discussion on such making sense, I have to wonder when the last time someone here made a decision to buy, hold, or sell based on such. Or does it just degrade quickly and tear the board apart? I have no interest in coming here for political complaints or rants, but if that really is what the board wants to become it could. OTOH, I do come here to see what helped cause the latest move in AAPL, sometimes political but most often otherwise. And on more normal days, I come here to see some of the latest Apple news, especially in the lead up to a big announcement. Chinacat, and others, post such a great selection of articles gathered from all over the place, and then we often have discussion about those. That's the real value I see. What do you want this board to be? Why do you come here? We can make it what we want, but just like at Apple sometimes that takes focus, dropping off side projects and focusing on what matters most. What can make a dent in the universe. Or at least what can move the needle. Let's be part of the solution, and make this board what we want it to be, a great place for Apple and AAPL discussion. I do understand that politics affects the stock market in general and Apple/AAPL in particular, but there is little news or new information in most of the political posts, and I don't see many minds being changed. So what's the point, other than venting to make oneself feel better? The question is, what do you want to get from the time spent here? Personally, it's to get Apple news and opinions from those interested in Apple, in particular from those who have a financial stake. I find the signal to noise ration to be quite low in many such posts, and the repetition to be extremely tiresome. If you want this forum to become "Personal feelings about Donald Trump and his affect on Apple/AAPL," so be it, but it will certainly reduce my participation greatly, not that I expect most folks to care. I do know that I certainly miss the informed discussions about Apple and its products that brought me here in the first place. Carry on, Garth.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 30, 2019 9:50:52 GMT -8
Let's be part of the solution, and make this board what we want it to be, a great place for Apple and AAPL discussion. I do understand that politics affects the stock market in general and Apple/AAPL in particular, but there is little news or new information in most of the political posts, and I don't see many minds being changed. So what's the point, other than venting to make oneself feel better? The question is, what do you want to get from the time spent here? Personally, it's to get Apple news and opinions from those interested in Apple, in particular from those who have a financial stake. ... it will certainly reduce my participation greatly, not that I expect most folks to care. I do know that I certainly miss the informed discussions about Apple and its products that brought me here in the first place. Exactly! Thanks chinacat, for all that you do in trying to keep things on topic.
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Post by silkstone on Aug 30, 2019 9:55:18 GMT -8
Sorry for being part of the problem, while mainly trying to defuse the situation. For ease, let's keep relies from yesterday in yesterday's thread....or the dungeon. But it looked like most people had the realization that politics is a slippery slope, and there is a way to post about the latest governmental action without attacking. "Just the facts, M'am. Just the facts" Personally, I came to the realization that I can't think of the last time I made an investment decision based on a political post here. Nor do I see anyone else doing such, even the shorter term traders that complain the most of a move that is completely out of their hands. While it's important to know of the latest tax, tariff, or policy change, and I can see discussion on such making sense, I have to wonder when the last time someone here made a decision to buy, hold, or sell based on such. Or does it just degrade quickly and tear the board apart? I have no interest in coming here for political complaints or rants, but if that really is what the board wants to become it could. OTOH, I do come here to see what helped cause the latest move in AAPL, sometimes political but most often otherwise. And on more normal days, I come here to see some of the latest Apple news, especially in the lead up to a big announcement. Chinacat, and others, post such a great selection of articles gathered from all over the place, and then we often have discussion about those. That's the real value I see. What do you want this board to be? Why do you come here? We can make it what we want, but just like at Apple sometimes that takes focus, dropping off side projects and focusing on what matters most. What can make a dent in the universe. Or at least what can move the needle. Let's be part of the solution, and make this board what we want it to be, a great place for Apple and AAPL discussion. I do understand that politics affects the stock market in general and Apple/AAPL in particular, but there is little news or new information in most of the political posts, and I don't see many minds being changed. So what's the point, other than venting to make oneself feel better? The question is, what do you want to get from the time spent here? Personally, it's to get Apple news and opinions from those interested in Apple, in particular from those who have a financial stake. I find the signal to noise ration to be quite low in many such posts, and the repetition to be extremely tiresome. If you want this forum to become "Personal feelings about Donald Trump and his affect on Apple/AAPL," so be it, but it will certainly reduce my participation greatly, not that I expect most folks to care. I do know that I certainly miss the informed discussions about Apple and its products that brought me here in the first place. Carry on, Garth. Yep, pretty sure everyone here has a financial stake in Apple or they wouldn’t be here. You are getting Apple news and opinions. The potus has decided part of his job is to interject himself into apples business and the stock market on a frequent basis. So, as much as you may not like it, they are all intertwined now. And yes, it’s all part of the discussion.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 30, 2019 10:25:57 GMT -8
Optimism article at CNNThis many seem like a good analogy to some issues here, but it's an even better fit to Apple. "They believe they have control over their fate, and can create opportunities for good things to happen in the future"
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Post by silkstone on Aug 30, 2019 10:45:57 GMT -8
Optimism article at CNNThis many seem like a good analogy to some issues here, but it's an even better fit to Apple. "They believe they have control over their fate, and can create opportunities for good things to happen in the future" Agreed, Apple is a perfect example of an optimistic company with great leadership. Another reason optimism is a superior attitude to pessimism.......an optimistic person will believe in many possibilities and therefore attempt to do many things over the course of their lifetime whereas a pessimist will achieve far less over their lifetime because they don’t believe as many things are possible and so won’t try. I would think this could apply to a company like Apple also. Apple has way more control over their future and destiny than most other large tech companies. They aren’t worried about the future of technology and where it will go because they know they will be one of the ones dictating it.
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Post by zzmac on Aug 30, 2019 11:27:27 GMT -8
Why is Apple down today after that promising start? Did that scallywag over at the White House tweet something?
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Post by davidstevenson on Aug 30, 2019 11:32:03 GMT -8
At the risk of interjecting a divisive comment, let me pose that the 16 inch MacBook pros being introduced might be the solution to the current airport ban on MacBook pros, especially if Apple makes a big push to publicize that the battery in this new computer is a solution to the previous problem. I can see professionals who need to travel with a MacBook Pro selling their existing ones and buying the new 16 inch MacBook Pro.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 30, 2019 11:54:22 GMT -8
Why is Apple down today after that promising start? Did that scallywag over at the White House tweet something? Pessimism, dude. The optimistic take is "It's great that AAPL is dipping a little before the upcoming announcements. Now I can buy more shares for the same money! And hey look, the dividend yield is up too." That might be a bit too "Gosh Wally" to be usable, but then again not every little movement should create worry. Maybe Walter decided to sell his options and buy a new RV!
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Post by zzmac on Aug 30, 2019 12:05:24 GMT -8
Why is Apple down today after that promising start? Did that scallywag over at the White House tweet something? Pessimism, dude. The optimistic take is "It's great that AAPL is dipping a little before the upcoming announcements. Now I can buy more shares for the same money! And hey look, the dividend yield is up too." That might be a bit too "Gosh Wally" to be usable, but then again not every little movement should create worry. Maybe Walter decided to sell his options and buy a new RV! I was actually just trying to be softer regarding the chosen one. Might be the only time. Have a great weekend everyone and cheers to the longs!
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Post by firestorm on Aug 30, 2019 15:15:43 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Aug 30, 2019 16:15:03 GMT -8
Since this is likely a response to me, let me be more clear. Certainly, when POTUS actions or comments concern and/or affect Apple and its business, directly or indirectly, discussion of same is entirely relevant. Too often, those devolve into "discussions" about Trump's attitudes or his performance as POTUS in general. Believe me, as the bluest of Massachusetts Democrats, I have many thoughts and words to offer on such occasions, but I resist because I believe them to be off-topic. But hey, this board belongs to those who contribute to it. If that's what members want it to be, then so be it. It will be my choice to decide when and if to participate.
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Post by SomeJuan on Aug 30, 2019 16:40:30 GMT -8
All this politic shit is pissing me off, it is an AAPL board, and yes in modicum, politics plays into AAPL.
Otherwise STFU. I, we do not want the drivel.
And moderators, do your job!
2 damn pennies.move to dungeon, or find new mods.
If i want politics I wil go to zero hedge. FFS. I lean center of right and left, there is room for both, be judicious!
The continumm cannot be allowed, we have lost enough, keep it up and just close the god damn board.
This a a place for cohesive commentary to any and all longs regrding investing in AAPL, hell even sponges vacillation's are welcome.
Vitriol is not!
Wake the F up.
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Post by firestorm on Aug 30, 2019 16:47:41 GMT -8
It is not a response to you or anyone else, just a simple statement of fact. I didn't mean to offend. Since this is likely a response to me, let me be more clear. Certainly, when POTUS actions or comments concern and/or affect Apple and its business, directly or indirectly, discussion of same is entirely relevant. Too often, those devolve into "discussions" about Trump's attitudes or his performance as POTUS in general. Believe me, as the bluest of Massachusetts Democrats, I have many thoughts and words to offer about on such occasions, but I resist because I believe them to be off-topic. But hey, this board belongs to those who contribute to it. If that's what members want it to be, then so be it. It will be my choice to decide when and if to participate.
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Post by SomeJuan on Aug 30, 2019 16:50:46 GMT -8
It is not a response to you or anyone else, just a simple statement of fact. I didn't mean to offend. Since this is likely a response to me, let me be more clear. Certainly, when POTUS actions or comments concern and/or affect Apple and its business, directly or indirectly, discussion of same is entirely relevant. Too often, those devolve into "discussions" about Trump's attitudes or his performance as POTUS in general. Believe me, as the bluest of Massachusetts Democrats, I have many thoughts and words to offer about on such occasions, but I resist because I believe them to be off-topic. But hey, this board belongs to those who contribute to it. If that's what members want it to be, then so be it. It will be my choice to decide when and if to participate. and your point is... F!
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Post by SomeJuan on Aug 30, 2019 16:53:17 GMT -8
We have Right, and we have Left, and some who are centered. Why belabor each side to try to score or win points. Wtf is this board about, I ask. Im it sure as F it isn't the politics and infighting.
Sorry to rant, but whom of you can argue. Wake the F up.
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Post by SomeJuan on Aug 30, 2019 17:10:06 GMT -8
In good news, aapl is moving, at high speed to move 25-30% of manufacturing outta China. Post Haste.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 30, 2019 18:26:49 GMT -8
In good news, aapl is moving, at high speed to move 25-30% of manufacturing outta China. Post Haste. Link, or it's just fake news. BTW, most of our moderating is self-moderating here, just as it was for years after LovemyiPad was more active. Personally I find it helpful to be a little free right now while the board talks through what they want to see . Sure, I could just delete or move anything that doesn't fit what I think should be here, but this is our board, not my or another other moderator's board. At the same time, like Chinacat I have no interest in seeing this just become all about politics, and just like he I won't be visiting if it does. So it seems much better to hash this out now, than 6+ months from now when things will be in full swing. I've seen boards die over politics, and many that Since84 contacted about why they left here said politics. Maybe we have self-destructive tendencies, all while saying it's on topic even once it strays from facts to fighting? Either way, there's some room now as we figure things out. At the same time, I had to move your two pointless posts. They're over in the Dungeon.
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Post by firestorm on Aug 30, 2019 20:13:12 GMT -8
It is not a response to you or anyone else, just a simple statement of fact. I didn't mean to offend. and your point is... F! My point was that demand will be suppressed as tariffs go into effect if Apple raises prices; or margins will be cut if Apple fails to raise prices. Surely this is worthy of discussion of those right, left, and center. Is it really necessary to walk on eggshells around here and ignore the elephant in the room?
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Post by therealmercel on Aug 31, 2019 6:48:36 GMT -8
The problem is that some people mistake the elephant for a purdy cat. I wouldn’t hire them to be a zoo keeper, that’s for sure.
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Post by firestorm on Aug 31, 2019 7:16:25 GMT -8
The problem is that some people mistake the elephant for a purdy cat. I wouldn’t hire them to be a zoo keeper, that’s for sure. And elephants require a lot of shoveling.
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