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Post by roni on Jan 4, 2013 17:56:38 GMT -8
I'm okay, you're okay
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Post by lovemyipad on Jan 4, 2013 17:58:55 GMT -8
I made a chatroom. Go try it. Don't kill each other! See the Menu bar up at the top of the page. Far right. I must now go eat Mac & Cheese (for real) because I have the munchies....
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Post by appledoc on Jan 4, 2013 18:09:33 GMT -8
Somebody else come to the chat. I'm lonely.
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Post by Tetrachloride on Jan 4, 2013 18:18:19 GMT -8
Enable the JAVA in your browser.
We had 4-5 active participants. As long as we keep the number of topics in a certain number of minutes to about 3, then everyone can keep stuff straight during trading hours. Font was very readable.
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Post by pauls on Jan 4, 2013 19:59:46 GMT -8
Developing story: Google cuts off Windows Phone users from Google Maps. From the web browser. Gloves have come off between those two. Really? Wow. Open indeed... Anybody still against the Apple Maps decision needs to look at this and reconsider. Trusting such an important feature to a competitor who can just pull the plug is a very silly thing to do. Instead, Apple actually got Google to improve the iOS offering. +1
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Post by Mav on Jan 4, 2013 20:06:29 GMT -8
I'm a message board kinda guy, so it's still mostly posting here for me, but I'll definitely be checking out whatever the final chat app is now and then.
I just wish it didn't require Java. Maybe a web-coding-savvy AFBer can help iPad look for ProBoards-friendly, iOS-friendly add-ins? Probably a tall order, but you never know.
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Post by capablanca on Jan 4, 2013 20:13:39 GMT -8
Yes.
I bought monthly JAN500 calls today for $33.21. Fourteen days to go, but I am hoping to sell them next week for 30% profit. Normally don't go for short trades like this. Down 8% at the close, but I am still optimistic.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jan 4, 2013 20:20:25 GMT -8
Jan 14 510/515s have an enormous bid/ask differential. You could _try_ to shoot for the $2.45 midpoint, but I'm not sure you could get it. Everything has its risks. Aside from AAPL not necessarily getting to 515 by expiry (that's just the way the market is sometimes) That's why you don't hold all the way to expiry if you're green. I've got some Jan 13 520-600's and 560-600s that were way in the money last fall. Not looking too good right now. LEAPS give you more time to bail, so long as you aren't too OTM to start with.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jan 4, 2013 20:22:50 GMT -8
There's a button for that? Sweet! ;D
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Post by capablanca on Jan 4, 2013 20:23:47 GMT -8
Like many, I cannot see the rationale for the stock price. Today I am fighting the gloom by recalling something Peter said many years ago. He was asked how Apple could possibly come up with new products to enable Apple to continue growing. He replied, "the best is yet to come".
I was reminded of this recently when Tim stated in an interview, "don't bet against us." Apple management is confident; just as they were confident in '06, '09, and since. They know the product roadmap; they are using prototype models of the "next big thing".
I trust them.
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 4, 2013 20:30:34 GMT -8
Like many, I cannot see the rationale for the stock price. Today I am fighting the gloom by recalling something Peter said many years ago. He was asked how Apple could possibly come up with new products to enable Apple to continue growing. He replied, "the best is yet to come". I was reminded of this recently when Tim stated in an interview, "don't bet against us." Apple management is confident; just as they were confident in '06, '09, and since. They know the product roadmap; they are using prototype models of the "next big thing". I trust them. Thanks Capa, that might help me sleep tonight.
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 4, 2013 20:31:49 GMT -8
I know there are a couple of Texas A&M fans in here, you should be proud of your team. Great performance by Johnny football.
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Post by alice on Jan 4, 2013 21:00:51 GMT -8
Like many, I cannot see the rationale for the stock price. Today I am fighting the gloom by recalling something Peter said many years ago. He was asked how Apple could possibly come up with new products to enable Apple to continue growing. He replied, "the best is yet to come". I was reminded of this recently when Tim stated in an interview, "don't bet against us." Apple management is confident; just as they were confident in '06, '09, and since. They know the product roadmap; they are using prototype models of the "next big thing". I trust them. Aapl trading in this range makes holding and waiting very difficult. How long can one wait for the next big thing? IMHO, it needs to be soon with the way aapl is trading at. A lot of shareholders (I believe) are wondering how much longer to hold on if the share price continues to move down without any known reasons. If good ER does not turn aapl up, I will be out.
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Post by tuffett on Jan 4, 2013 21:22:31 GMT -8
Aapl trading in this range makes holding and waiting very difficult. How long can one wait for the next big thing? IMHO, it needs to be soon with the way aapl is trading at. A lot of shareholders (I believe) are wondering how much longer to hold on if the share price continues to move down without any known reasons. If good ER does not turn aapl up, I will be out. All of the stress I feel is from my options positions. I'm not worried at all about my shares. There is tons of capital appreciation and dividend appreciation ahead. Insanely low valuation, tons of cash to do buybacks and dividend increases, and revenue and net income are still growing faster than any other mature company out there. The only thing stressing me out is time (i.e. options). Remove time out of the equation and I think when we are looking back on it this will just be a spike down in a healthy up trending chart.
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 4, 2013 21:23:55 GMT -8
Alice, discard any theories about innovation, SJ, taxes, what ever and this is why, look at KO. Good old Coke, member of the DOW. The last time they "innovated" was when they introduced "new" coke. LOL
They have not grown earnings in 3 of the last 4 quarters, a 166B market cap and 7% future projected 5 year growth. It trades at a 19 p/e. The reason, cash flow and worldwide consumption. They have no new markets to penetrate. the only way they can actually grow earnings is to buy earnings.
If Apple just has 10% growth over the next 5 years it will have over 300 billion in cash. (all depends on the dividend) Large maturing companies usually earn at least a 14 p/e. The stock is under attack, plain and simple. I will not go into my tin foil hat thoughts. It just is irrational.
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Post by Mav on Jan 4, 2013 21:30:10 GMT -8
AAPL is _undeniably_ pressured. And it's not rationally valued. And while a bunch of people regardless of ideology sense something amiss with the markets, nothing constructive is being done to restore investor confidence. But it is what it is. (/stating the obvious)
Just part of the travails for trading AAPL stock and options.
HOWEVER, until the floor falls out under AAPL and potentially the entire market? There still is a terra firma, albeit set at a depressingly low level.
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 4, 2013 21:43:14 GMT -8
AAPL is _undeniably_ pressured. And it's not rationally valued. And while a bunch of people regardless of ideology sense something amiss with the markets, nothing constructive is being done to restore investor confidence. But it is what it is. (/stating the obvious) Just part of the travails for trading AAPL stock and options. HOWEVER, until the floor falls out under AAPL and potentially the entire market? There still is a terra firma, albeit set at a depressingly low level. Mav, this may be our make or break week coming up. As it stands now we are going down.
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Post by renee on Jan 4, 2013 21:53:10 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 22:02:21 GMT -8
Alice, discard any theories about innovation, SJ, taxes, what ever and this is why, look at KO. Good old Coke, member of the DOW. The last time they "innovated" was when they introduced "new" coke. LOL They have not grown earnings in 3 of the last 4 quarters, a 166B market cap and 7% future projected 5 year growth. It trades at a 19 p/e. The reason, cash flow and worldwide consumption. They have no new markets to penetrate. the only way they can actually grow earnings is to buy earnings. If Apple just has 10% growth over the next 5 years it will have over 300 billion in cash. (all depends on the dividend) Large maturing companies usually earn at least a 14 p/e. The stock is under attack, plain and simple. I will not go into my tin foil hat thoughts. It just is irrational. People aren't going to stop drinking coke. It's been popular for more than a hundred years. The iPhone is basically apples backbone now, and its only existed for 5 years, and it would be a brave soul who says it will still be popular in 15 years time. People will cite the iPod as an example of what can happen to a supposedly mega popular apple product (its now dying a slow death), and say the same will happen to the iPhone, and that's their reason for a low valuation multiple. No one values apples DNA and its ability to turn out new product lines to replace its old. There's no room for faith on Wall Street
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Post by renee on Jan 4, 2013 22:05:44 GMT -8
Like many, I cannot see the rationale for the stock price. Today I am fighting the gloom by recalling something Peter said many years ago. He was asked how Apple could possibly come up with new products to enable Apple to continue growing. He replied, "the best is yet to come". I was reminded of this recently when Tim stated in an interview, "don't bet against us." Apple management is confident; just as they were confident in '06, '09, and since. They know the product roadmap; they are using prototype models of the "next big thing". I trust them. I take some comfort in the fact that TC and other key employees of Apple are also big shareholders of Aapl. They share our pain at times like this.
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Post by alice on Jan 4, 2013 22:06:33 GMT -8
AAPL is _undeniably_ pressured. And it's not rationally valued. And while a bunch of people regardless of ideology sense something amiss with the markets, nothing constructive is being done to restore investor confidence. But it is what it is. (/stating the obvious) Just part of the travails for trading AAPL stock and options. HOWEVER, until the floor falls out under AAPL and potentially the entire market? There still is a terra firma, albeit set at a depressingly low level. Mav, I believe you are mostly out of aapl and just trading now. You have decided the floor under aapl is not as solid as you like and aapl is a trading vehicle. After ER, I will decide whether the floor is solid enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 22:08:08 GMT -8
It's a bullshit headline - the CR "scores" are only a point or two apart on those top 3 phones. So its rating the iPhone in the top 3 on AT&T & Sprint based on their criteria, ahead of dozens of other smartphones. Business insider translates third out of dozens of phones as "worst of the top phones" which is like calling a Olympic bronze medalist the "worst of the top athletes"
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Post by Mav on Jan 4, 2013 22:10:18 GMT -8
You're not quite correct alice.
I am cautious on AAPL and always trade in and out regardless of composure but I'm hardly on the sidelines. I have higher AAPL exposure than I did last Friday, by choice.
Right now I'm about 50% invested with a smaller share of AAPL common than I previously had. 100% long (I'm better with upside than downside trading, historically) but always considering hedges.
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Post by alice on Jan 4, 2013 22:13:07 GMT -8
Mav, I thought you posted that you sold your core holdings. My mistake. Sorry.
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Post by Mav on Jan 4, 2013 22:15:57 GMT -8
I did a while back, as a tax hedge/rocket fuel play. But I'm a somewhat active trader. No problem.
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Post by alice on Jan 4, 2013 22:23:20 GMT -8
Alice, discard any theories about innovation, SJ, taxes, what ever and this is why, look at KO. Good old Coke, member of the DOW. The last time they "innovated" was when they introduced "new" coke. LOL They have not grown earnings in 3 of the last 4 quarters, a 166B market cap and 7% future projected 5 year growth. It trades at a 19 p/e. The reason, cash flow and worldwide consumption. They have no new markets to penetrate. the only way they can actually grow earnings is to buy earnings. If Apple just has 10% growth over the next 5 years it will have over 300 billion in cash. (all depends on the dividend) Large maturing companies usually earn at least a 14 p/e. The stock is under attack, plain and simple. I will not go into my tin foil hat thoughts. It just is irrational. People aren't going to stop drinking coke. It's been popular for more than a hundred years. The iPhone is basically apples backbone now, and its only existed for 5 years, and it would be a brave sole who says it will still be popular in 15 years time. People will cite the iPod as an example of what can happen to a supposedly mega popular apple product (its now dying a slow death), and say the same will happen to the iPhone, and that's their reason for a low valuation multiple. No one values apples DNA and its ability to turn out new product lines to replace its old. There's no room for faith on Wall Street You are correct.
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Post by kloot on Jan 4, 2013 22:59:22 GMT -8
Consumer Reports Says Apple's iPhone 5 Is The Worst Of The Top Smartphones -- Business Insider headline just tweeted out .. lovely. It's against my better judgment to put the link in but here it is...it's not even a top 3 phone at VZN? Wtf?! www.businessinsider.com/consumer-reports-iphone-5-2013-1WTF, wasn't it their favorite phone about 2 months ago?
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Post by kloot on Jan 4, 2013 23:12:37 GMT -8
yes, and IIRC they also followed it up a few weeks later with even stronger positive language. something along the lines of the "best phone" on the market. maybe AAPL bulls traveled into the other universe from Fringe somehow.
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Post by Mav on Jan 4, 2013 23:14:07 GMT -8
(kloot, I had to dig into this a little more, so here's the answer right here.) phoebear! I'm compelled to point out this is FRIGGIN' BUSINESSINSIDER! We should try to link to them as never as possible. Also, CONTEXT. I'm guilty of this on this count too, so for me to make up for it I gotta make it crystal clear for everyone's benefit: If you've read Consumer Reports recently, this says it all. If you're NOT familiar, here's what it means: It's the third top-rated phone by CR on AT&T and Sprint. CR rates at least three smartphones higher on Verizon. Does NOT mean CR hates it! (And I'm no fan of CR.) For a blogger to draw any variation of a "worst phone" conclusion from the CR data, even to try and hedge it like "worst of the best" as Blodget did, barely, is straight-up dishonest.
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Post by kloot on Jan 4, 2013 23:22:20 GMT -8
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