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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 13:11:18 GMT -8
Yup.
Here's a random gem from Twitter: "Last trade on $AAPL worthy of congressional committee. Oh wait, congress is in on it. #500.00"
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Post by appledoc on Jan 18, 2013 13:22:49 GMT -8
We're going to be singing a peachier tune next week.
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 13:24:27 GMT -8
I think I agree with you! Wouldn't have bought a BCS if I didn't, I'm pretty sure
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Post by JDSoCal on Jan 18, 2013 13:27:28 GMT -8
Why are you opening a weekend thread at 1:11 PM PST on a Fri? Do we really need two threads running at once?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 13:34:52 GMT -8
I'm just glad this massive option expiry is out of the way - we got a clear runway ahead of us now, with the ER afterburners next week giving us a quick takeoff.
Apple missing expectations next week is about as probable as a plane exploding a few yards down the Tarmac (presuming its not a Dreamliner).
Odds a good we will never see these levels again after Wednesday.
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Post by kloot on Jan 18, 2013 14:07:08 GMT -8
pinning is separate from "manipulation". closing at 500 today is just math as a result of puts and calls closing out. MM tanking the stock down to the 500ish area in the first place, now that's a different matter.
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 18, 2013 14:42:28 GMT -8
pinning is separate from "manipulation". closing at 500 today is just math as a result of puts and calls closing out. MM tanking the stock down to the 500ish area in the first place, now that's a different matter. LOL, riiiiight.
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 18, 2013 14:44:13 GMT -8
Lovey, not sure what is happening with the smiley's. I clicked on the eye roll for the above post and it put the beer toast.
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 14:48:05 GMT -8
Really? *tests* Huh! Damn, that's weird. But heck, we could use some cold ones right now anyway.
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Post by kloot on Jan 18, 2013 14:49:38 GMT -8
pinning is separate from "manipulation". closing at 500 today is just math as a result of puts and calls closing out. MM tanking the stock down to the 500ish area in the first place, now that's a different matter. LOL, riiiiight. I'm talking about the .00 part of 500.00. pinning exists on all sorts of security expirations. it's not specific. to Aapl and is a side effect of the expiration process. bringing it down from 520s last week to 500 this week with 2 month old news is way worse than if it closed at 498 or 502 or 500.00. what I'm trying to say is the manipulation, if there was any, was bringing it down to the 500 area in the first place, not whether it actually closed at 500 on the dot.
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Post by kloot on Jan 18, 2013 14:50:28 GMT -8
Lovey, not sure what is happening with the smiley's. I clicked on the eye roll for the above post and it put the beer toast. probably becuz it didn't deserve an eye-roll, lol.
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 15:30:14 GMT -8
Just curious if anyone has any go-to web-based, non-Java/iOS friendly options analytics sources (ones that can visualize profit zones for a given strategy kinda deal)
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Post by artman1033 on Jan 18, 2013 16:03:31 GMT -8
Moved from the intra-day thread: Please remember: FROM 10-K PAGE 65Employee Stock Purchase Plan The Employee Stock Purchase Plan (the “Purchase Plan”) is a shareholder approved plan under which substantially all employees may purchase the Company’s common stock through payroll deductions at a price equal to 85% of the lower of the fair market values of the stock as of the beginning or the end of six-month offering periods. An employee’s payroll deductions under the Purchase Plan are limited to 10% of the employee’s compensation and employees may not purchase more than $25,000 of stock during any calendar year. As of September 29, 2012, approximately 2.5 million shares were reserved for future issuance under the Purchase Plan. PLUS, Apple offers a 401(k) plan: 401(k) Plan The Company’s 401(k) Plan (the “401(k) Plan”) is a deferred salary arrangement under Section 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Code. Under the 401(k) Plan, participating U.S. employees may defer a portion of their pre-tax earnings, up to the IRS annual contribution limit ($17,000 for calendar year 2012). The Company matches 50% to 100% of each employee’s contributions, depending on length of service, up to a maximum 6% of the employee’s eligible earnings. The Company’s matching contributions to the 401(k) Plan were $114 million, $90 million and $72 million in 2012, 2011 and 2010, respectively. SO, APPLE MANAGEMENT and regular Apple Employees do not care about the short term price of AAPL.
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Post by rosie on Jan 18, 2013 16:35:00 GMT -8
If there truly is a disconnect between Apple and aapl (the next 4-6 months should tell that story) then perhaps Apple "doesn't care" about short term stock price. I would guess that the company sees it as a very large part of their even larger picture and it will handled to everyone's advantage both at Apple and in aapl.
If not we can each make the choice to do as we deem best for our individual financial plan.
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Post by rutgersguy92 on Jan 18, 2013 16:35:09 GMT -8
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Post by lovemyipad on Jan 18, 2013 16:43:04 GMT -8
Lovey, not sure what is happening with the smiley's. I clicked on the eye roll for the above post and it put the beer toast. ROFLMAO!!!!! I was wondering why you were toasting all over the place!!! I added a new "cheers" smiley: I must've botched something somewhere because that new guy seems to have evicted the eye-roll smiley. Okay, no eye-rolling until I figure it out... Meanwhile:
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Post by Lstream on Jan 18, 2013 16:45:31 GMT -8
Lovey, not sure what is happening with the smiley's. I clicked on the eye roll for the above post and it put the beer toast. ROFLMAO!!!!! I was wondering why you were toasting all over the place!!! I added a new "cheers" smiley: I must've botched something somewhere because that new guy seems to have evicted the eye-roll smiley. Okay, no eye-rolling until I figure it out... Meanwhile: Is it not enough that we have market manipulation? Now we have to endure message board manipulation?
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 16:47:09 GMT -8
iPad, gimme a break. You really gotta fix this bug. Great, now it looks like I'm on a bender. Well, some may be - enjoy responsibly! ;D - given the surgical close pin. (Get it, sounds like clothespin...pin...the tail...try the veal)
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Post by artman1033 on Jan 18, 2013 16:47:22 GMT -8
If there truly is a disconnect between Apple and aapl (the next 4-6 months should tell that story) then perhaps Apple "doesn't care" about short term stock price. I would guess that the company sees it as a very large part of their even larger picture and it will handled to everyone's advantage both at Apple and in aapl. If not we can each make the choice to do as we deem best for our individual financial plan. Rosie: Don't say " perhaps", just give me one example in the last 5 years that shows APPLE management cares about the short term price of AAPL!
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Post by lovemyipad on Jan 18, 2013 16:52:39 GMT -8
Is it not enough that we have market manipulation? Now we have to endure message board manipulation? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 16:53:48 GMT -8
Is it not enough that we have market manipulation? Now we have to endure message board manipulation? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! Can we nominate that as a quotable? It sounds like a quotable. Is iPad the REAL EO around here? (whoops, wrong EO)
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Post by appledoc on Jan 18, 2013 16:56:41 GMT -8
When an option gets exercised, does the sale/buy show up on the ticker?
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Post by kloot on Jan 18, 2013 17:30:16 GMT -8
LOL, riiiiight. I'm talking about the .00 part of 500.00. pinning exists on all sorts of security expirations. it's not specific. to Aapl and is a side effect of the expiration process. bringing it down from 520s last week to 500 this week with 2 month old news is way worse than if it closed at 498 or 502 or 500.00. what I'm trying to say is the manipulation, if there was any, was bringing it down to the 500 area in the first place, not whether it actually closed at 500 on the dot. looks like Travis agrees: stocktwits.com/Aapl_pain/message/11568117
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 17:40:52 GMT -8
Eh...
I think most people here actually _do_ see the "journey" (/massive corruption of the cliche) as being most objectionable, and the "destination" (500.000000) as being more like the insult to injury.
So I don't think there's too much difference of opinion here. Cough.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jan 18, 2013 17:41:05 GMT -8
When an option gets exercised, does the sale/buy show up on the ticker? nope - it's the consummation of a contract, a deliverable -- that's why it's called an assignment to the seller and the buyer calls it an exercise. It fulfills an obligation but not at current market prices - it's done at the price of the "contract" (strike) .... so nothing crosses a tape. Why do you ask?
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Post by applemuncher on Jan 18, 2013 18:04:17 GMT -8
Moved from the intra-day thread: Please remember: FROM 10-K PAGE 65Employee Stock Purchase Plan The Employee Stock Purchase Plan (the “Purchase Plan”) is a shareholder approved plan under which substantially all employees may purchase the Company’s common stock through payroll deductions at a price equal to 85% of the lower of the fair market values of the stock as of the beginning or the end of six-month offering periods. An employee’s payroll deductions under the Purchase Plan are limited to 10% of the employee’s compensation and employees may not purchase more than $25,000 of stock during any calendar year. As of September 29, 2012, approximately 2.5 million shares were reserved for future issuance under the Purchase Plan. PLUS, Apple offers a 401(k) plan: 401(k) Plan The Company’s 401(k) Plan (the “401(k) Plan”) is a deferred salary arrangement under Section 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Code. Under the 401(k) Plan, participating U.S. employees may defer a portion of their pre-tax earnings, up to the IRS annual contribution limit ($17,000 for calendar year 2012). The Company matches 50% to 100% of each employee’s contributions, depending on length of service, up to a maximum 6% of the employee’s eligible earnings. The Company’s matching contributions to the 401(k) Plan were $114 million, $90 million and $72 million in 2012, 2011 and 2010, respectively. SO, APPLE MANAGEMENT and regular Apple Employees do not care about the short term price of AAPL. I disagree with your statement that employees do not care about the short term price of AAPL for the following reasons: 1. Many employees participate in the employee stock option program. Employees are given options that vest over a period of years. The option price is the stock price on the day the options are granted. Employees obviously want the stock price to be much higher than their option price. 2. Many Apple employees own Apple stock. 3. Participants in the Employee Stock Purchase Program benefit when the stock increases. Yes, the minimum they will make is 15% every six months if the stock price is lower at the end of the period than at the beginning of the period. But employees make a ton more if the stock is higher at the end of the period. For example, if the stock price at the beginning of the period is $500 and $600 at the end of the period, participants in the ESPP will purchase their shares at $425 and can sell at $600. In this case, they would make $175 per share profit. However, if the stock is $600 at the beginning of the period and $500 at the end of the period, their cost would still be $425 per share, but they would only make $75 per share profit. Not a bad deal, but the incentive is there for the stock to increase.
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 18:13:10 GMT -8
Personally, I think it might be more constructive to get agreement that management DOES give something of a damn about longer-term AAPL price.
Buybacks and share splits and dividends (already got those) play into that angle.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jan 18, 2013 19:37:26 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 20:15:31 GMT -8
Try to minimize the copypasta when you can, guys.
Prefer links to badly formatted block quotes that take up lots of space, thanks.
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Post by Mav on Jan 18, 2013 20:39:44 GMT -8
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