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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 16:10:54 GMT -8
iOS7 really wants to run on A6 and above, so I think we'll see it in iPhone Jr.
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Post by Mav on Jun 22, 2013 16:17:38 GMT -8
That would be as beautiful as it would be margin-degrading (so also potentially terrifying?).
Of course, that brings up two questions. What will be the "$0" iPhone? Will there remain an iPhone 5 if the CheapPhone is also identical spec-wise?
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Post by applemuncher on Jun 22, 2013 17:03:09 GMT -8
Well if the 4 remains available that would be a first for apple (having 4 models for sale). Does anyone else think this will happen? I Presume the low cost iPhone would replace the iPhone 4 & 4S as the entry level model, selling as a more attractive "new" model, and meaning the whole iPhone lineup would then be standardized with 4" screens, a lightning connector, and Siri capable. The 4 will be EOL in favor of a 4S, 5 and 5S/6 lineup. I see no benefit in redoing proven designs that already sell at a discount, with the exception of the lightning connector on the 4S. My bet is they EOL the 4 and 4s. They might even EOL the 5. High end would be the 5s, low end would be the new lower cost iPhone. I still can't wait for the iPhone with a 5" display. It should already be out. And again, when the 5" iPhone does come out, it will break all sales records, for any mobile phone, ever. Too bad it will be in 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:28:45 GMT -8
+1 to a larger iPhone, say 4.9". iOS7 with the thin font needs a good set of eyes. Thankfully, I have them but Apple is losing sales to those who want the bigger font on a larger display. I'm really surprised it's taken this long, as there is clear demand for 4.5" - 5.2" handsets.
The 4s could be the free phone (a limited run?) with iPhone Jr. at $79 and iPhone at $199.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:35:50 GMT -8
I love this design. If it comes with an A6 chip I may get this in lieu of the iPhone 5s, unless the latter has a fingerprint sensor. Apple's penchant for THIN at the expense of battery life and hand comfort seems like an unnecessary tradeoff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:35:54 GMT -8
I no longer pay any attention or put any stock in these rumours. Unless they come from known credible bloggers. There is just too much of an industry in Apple lies for the sake of page hits for me to believe any of it. hooray. + a kajillion
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:43:20 GMT -8
Could just be Apple allowing retailers to maintain sales of the "aging" iPhone 5 during the final three or so months of product life. That careful tightrope walk between devaluing products and incentivizing. Something Tim is more comfortable with than Steve was? If people "need" an iPhone 5 now, discounts are still discounts. Of course the Best Play(tm) is to wait to see what Apple's got on offer, but hey, savings are still savings, even though monthly plans are where most all the costs are. I've posted several times that handset sales peak during the December quarter. If you graph unit sales by quarter you'll see that the lowest quarter is March, with sales in the September quarter just above the June quarter. Anomalies to the average come from new model launch schedules.
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Post by sponge on Jun 22, 2013 17:53:30 GMT -8
Just left the Apple Store in Fashion Island. Very nice clerk reports that iPhones are still selling well. He believes it is tied to contract expiration. Still gets lots of new smart phone sales, then upgrades from older iPhones and then switchers from Android.
He thinks iOS 7 will really kick start iPhone sales in a big way. It is all about ease of use and UI.
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Post by Mav on Jun 22, 2013 18:03:51 GMT -8
+1 to a larger iPhone, say 4.9". iOS7 with the thin font needs a good set of eyes. Thankfully, I have them but Apple is losing sales to those who want the bigger font on a larger display. I'm really surprised it's taken this long, as there is clear demand for 4.5" - 5.2" handsets. *ahem* "it takes time ..." You don't have to agree with Apple's rationale. But it's very easy to understand given Tim Cook's comments at the D conference. Oh and btw, what kind of display does Samsung use on that 1080p display? Yeah, STILL PENTILE. Now, HTC apparently figured out how to put a proper RGB pixel in that crazy 1080p display of theirs, but needless to say, display considerations are important.
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Post by Mav on Jun 22, 2013 18:06:19 GMT -8
I love this design. If it comes with an A6 chip I may get this in lieu of the iPhone 5s, unless the latter has a fingerprint sensor. Apple's penchant for THIN at the expense of battery life and hand comfort seems like an unnecessary tradeoff. Ask all those MBA fans how they feel about that. ;D Every millimeter of palm rest thickness would help, after all. Though of course Haswell has enabled a revolution in ultraportable battery life, so thinness isn't really a battery issue anymore. As far as _iPhone_ thickness? Jony Ive isn't much of a fan of "practical" design in certain senses. I mean, Mac Pro made a pretty thunderous design statement to me. One thing though. Assuming that leaked iPhone photo to be somewhat accurate, a battery boost is on the way, which is always welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 18:31:48 GMT -8
Thin laptops for palm comfort are justified. I've even placed an order for the new MBA for 12 hour battery life.
I mean, I have trouble picking up my iPhone 5 without a case on it. I'd bet most would trade more battery life for a few millimeters in thickness. Perhaps that's part of the differentiation between the iPhone mockup above and the next iPhone 5s. Battery vs. Power: Pick your priority.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 22, 2013 18:41:02 GMT -8
Thin laptops for palm comfort are justified. I've even placed an order for the new MBA for 12 hour battery life. I mean, I have trouble picking up my iPhone 5 without a case on it. I'd bet most would trade more battery life for a few millimeters in thickness. Perhaps that's part of the differentiation between the iPhone mockup above and the next iPhone 5s. Battery vs. Power: Pick your priority. Battery. I need better battery every day, it seems. Power use....not as critical.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 22, 2013 19:16:32 GMT -8
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 22, 2013 20:07:47 GMT -8
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Post by sponge on Jun 22, 2013 20:15:02 GMT -8
Good read. Read it while on the beach soaking in the sunshine at Laguna. I think iOS 7 will impact mobile the same way OS X impacted the Mac. It is in the early stages of 3D graphics and airplay to any screen that will mirror what you have. In the future Airdrop and iCloud will allow anyone with an iPhone to suddenly turn any computer into their own personal workstation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 20:23:07 GMT -8
And again, when the 5" iPhone does come out, it will break all sales records, for any mobile phone, ever. Too bad it will be in 2014. It won't be ever. Ask Samsung how its GSIII did against iPhone 4 and 4S. They both outsold the SIII during the December quarter. And why is Samsung cutting back on SIV production and lowering the price just weeks after its launch? I think the popularity of the 5" handset is a myth.
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Post by sponge on Jun 22, 2013 20:36:28 GMT -8
And again, when the 5" iPhone does come out, it will break all sales records, for any mobile phone, ever. Too bad it will be in 2014. It won't be ever. Ask Samsung how its GSIII did against iPhone 4 and 4S. They both outsold the SIII during the December quarter. And why is Samsung cutting back on SIV production and lowering the price just weeks after its launch? I think the popularity of the 5" handset is a myth. It may not be 5" but it will be bigger then 4". TC made it clear that they won't compromise and hinted at doing it right. I have now run into enough folks who stated they bought the S3 and S4 because of size. Samsung is running into the same issue that Apple has. There are reaching a point where rate of growth in the high end phones is flat. In the long run Apple will eat them alive, but it will take at least three more years. We need features that are unique to Apple. Right now they are on par for most people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 22:09:19 GMT -8
Thin laptops for palm comfort are justified. I've even placed an order for the new MBA for 12 hour battery life. I mean, I have trouble picking up my iPhone 5 without a case on it. I'd bet most would trade more battery life for a few millimeters in thickness. Perhaps that's part of the differentiation between the iPhone mockup above and the next iPhone 5s. Battery vs. Power: Pick your priority. Battery. I need better battery every day, it seems. Power use....not as critical. It will be interesting to see if the iPhone 5S ships with a new A7 SoC, or a new revised more power efficient A6 SoC.
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Post by Mav on Jun 22, 2013 22:37:50 GMT -8
Double or nothing is typically the order of the day for Apple in iOS. Obviously can't continue forever, but it's fun times right now.
Look at Samsung. Love em or...not ;D, they're fierce ARM chip competitors and they're still mostly doubling performance every chip generation. They help show what's possible, but their A15/A7 dual-quad-core approach seems awfully complicated, and just as inelegant, for a smartphone at least. (Though it follows ARM's big.LITTLE deal.)
There's two paths Apple's likely to take IMHO. Quad-core A6, or a new dual-core architecture. I don't care as long as the performance and battery deliver, though I'd prefer something more like dual-core for less complexity/potentially higher net energy/space efficiency. Don't forget, Apple also has a formidable chip design team. They hyperfocus on just two chip variants at a time and tune them well for the 1-2 new iPhones and iPads each year. I can almost sense the pride they take in their work, and I doubt they're about to take their foot off the gas pedal.
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Post by rickag on Jun 22, 2013 23:11:26 GMT -8
Any one think an IGZO display may make it into the next iPhone?
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Post by Mav on Jun 22, 2013 23:18:32 GMT -8
IGZO would be a decent non-tentpole feature for iPhone next if it actually provides a thinner screen and less power consumption.
But that depends on Sharp, doesn't it. There really isn't much to improve with the current iPhone 5 display in terms of quality, though I'm sure Apple has been tweaking it even if it won't get an IGZO or whatever update this year.
Side benefit of iOS 7 - new look + optimizing for the current Retina Display from the very beginning = "the display looks different" in many ways when you're not in third-party apps.
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Post by rickag on Jun 23, 2013 4:59:56 GMT -8
Yes, IGZO wouldn't be a tent pole, but if it improves battery life even half as much as reported I would be happy as long as the quality of the screen is as good or better than the current screen.
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Post by Nevyn on Jun 23, 2013 6:59:20 GMT -8
+1 to a larger iPhone, say 4.9". iOS7 with the thin font needs a good set of eyes. Thankfully, I have them but Apple is losing sales to those who want the bigger font on a larger display. I'm really surprised it's taken this long, as there is clear demand for 4.5" - 5.2" handsets. The 4s could be the free phone (a limited run?) with iPhone Jr. at $79 and iPhone at $199. I will most likely end up getting a Google phone this year and pass the iPhone 4S to my wife. Now, I'm debating whether to just it get now or wait until Sept to see what Apple is offering. I think the next 12 months will be transitional. iOS7 is building up to iOS8 and large screen iPhone in summer 2014.
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Post by redinaustin on Jun 23, 2013 7:22:04 GMT -8
My theory on the iPhone BIG The posters/media that want one are all male They are tired of losing the "Mine is bigger than yours game!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 8:45:40 GMT -8
It won't be ever. Ask Samsung how its GSIII did against iPhone 4 and 4S. They both outsold the SIII during the December quarter. And why is Samsung cutting back on SIV production and lowering the price just weeks after its launch? I think the popularity of the 5" handset is a myth. Are you serious? Between Samsung S3, S4 and Note 1 and 2, it's VERY safe to say Samsung will have sold 100M of the larger displays. Good thing for Samsung that it's capturing 50% of smartphone profits (or about 100% of Android smartphone profits) on the back of a "fad."
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Post by redinaustin on Jun 23, 2013 8:48:44 GMT -8
It won't be ever. Ask Samsung how its GSIII did against iPhone 4 and 4S. They both outsold the SIII during the December quarter. And why is Samsung cutting back on SIV production and lowering the price just weeks after its launch? I think the popularity of the 5" handset is a myth. Are you serious? Between Samsung S3, S4 and Note 1 and 2, it's VERY safe to say Samsung will have sold 100M of the larger displays. Good thing for Samsung that it's capturing 50% of smartphone profits (or about 100% of Android smartphone profits) on the back of a "fad." Is Sammy offering a top-of-the-line phone that is not a larger screen?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 8:56:05 GMT -8
Are you serious? Between Samsung S3, S4 and Note 1 and 2, it's VERY safe to say Samsung will have sold 100M of the larger displays. Good thing for Samsung that it's capturing 50% of smartphone profits (or about 100% of Android smartphone profits) on the back of a "fad." Is Sammy offering a top-of-the-line phone that is not a larger screen? Galaxy S4 Mini. I'll hazard a guess that Sammy is picking up more customers wanting a larger display than it's losing to those preferring a smaller one. If the larger handset didn't have a market, Sammy would have adjusted long ago. What do reps at ATT say when you ask them? Consistently, they say "Apple will crush Android with a larger handset." 100M is no "fad" or "myth."
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 23, 2013 8:57:47 GMT -8
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 23, 2013 9:00:34 GMT -8
Is Sammy offering a top-of-the-line phone that is not a larger screen? Galaxy S4 Mini. I'll hazard a guess that Sammy is picking up more customers wanting a larger display than it's losing to those preferring a smaller one. If the larger handset didn't have a market, Sammy would have adjusted long ago. What do reps at ATT say when you ask them? Consistently, they say "Apple will crush Android with a larger handset." 100M is no "fad" or "myth." Like many here, I try to engage in conversation people I meet with differing smartphone choices. Many times I hear just that...."I like the big screen so chose the Sammy...wish Apple made one" It's not a fad; its a reasoned choice.
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Post by redinaustin on Jun 23, 2013 9:06:42 GMT -8
Is Sammy offering a top-of-the-line phone that is not a larger screen? Galaxy S4 Mini. I'll hazard a guess that Sammy is picking up more customers wanting a larger display than it's losing to those preferring a smaller one. If the larger handset didn't have a market, Sammy would have adjusted long ago. What do reps at ATT say when you ask them? Consistently, they say "Apple will crush Android with a larger handset." 100M is no "fad" or "myth." I believe the S4 Mini is brand new and is not part of the advertising and probably sot part of the spiff program
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