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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 14:26:44 GMT -8
I never understood why people took so much offence at Sponge's posts. We all know that he had as much of a clue as the rest of us (ie none) and his posts were easy to take with a pinch of salt. Personally, I found the posts of others far more unpalatable. In such cases, the easy solution is to take a break from things as there are few activities more of a waste of time than arguing with people on the Internet. Oh yeah, new account etc. I deleted the previous one for the above reason. +1,000,000 On this we disagree. The guy was a troll that went out of his way to agitate. I still roll my eyes at his ridiculous "sources". This is the second message Board that I know of that he tuned into chaos. I am normally really tolerant of alternative points of view, but not when they reach his level of disruption. I also disagree that all posters here have no clue, and that somehow justifies showcasing one's complete cluelessness.
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Post by chinacat on Aug 4, 2013 14:31:06 GMT -8
I never understood why people took so much offence at Sponge's posts. We all know that he had as much of a clue as the rest of us (ie none) and his posts were easy to take with a pinch of salt. Personally, I found the posts of others far more unpalatable. In such cases, the easy solution is to take a break from things as there are few activities more of a waste of time than arguing with people on the Internet. Oh yeah, new account etc. I deleted the previous one for the above reason. Amen, birdie, and welcome back. Permit me to extoll the benefits of the ignore function once again.
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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 14:46:34 GMT -8
I never understood why people took so much offence at Sponge's posts. We all know that he had as much of a clue as the rest of us (ie none) and his posts were easy to take with a pinch of salt. Personally, I found the posts of others far more unpalatable. In such cases, the easy solution is to take a break from things as there are few activities more of a waste of time than arguing with people on the Internet. Oh yeah, new account etc. I deleted the previous one for the above reason. Amen, birdie, and welcome back. Permit me to extoll the benefits of the ignore function once again. Ignore is a weak fix due to people quoting stuff and discussing the content of someone who is on ignore. In a small closed community like this one, I think using ignore as a crutch to justify trolling and clueless posting is off base. People need to take some degree of responsibility for their posts. Saying "ignore me if you don't like it" is not good enough in my opinion.
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Post by appledoc on Aug 4, 2013 15:12:33 GMT -8
People need to take some degree of responsibility for their posts. Saying "ignore me if you don't like it" is not good enough in my opinion. That's asking way too much here.
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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 15:19:55 GMT -8
Further to my post of earlier today, I think the following article does a good job of explaining why the Moto X represents true innovation, even though the company has been a complete dud for some time now. The Moto X Represents the Future of EverythingI hope Apple is paying attention, as this is not just another gimmicky Android phone.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 15:58:51 GMT -8
Why wouldn't Apple always pay attention? See the "knee-jerk" responses to location/GPS. Cut/copy/paste. Multitasking. Notification management. Dynamic home screen. Apple gets accused of "copying" Android's feature set all the time.
Moto going integrated is nice (being a Google subsidiary and all), but remember how it's able to do some of what it does. One chip for listening? Until Apple has low-power companion processors in its iPhone, that'll be trickier to do. Apple might just stick with dual-core SoC for iPhone 5S, who knows. That's Apple and tradeoffs and design philosophy. Location awareness? Well, there's geofencing already, Apple just needs to make Siri smarter and allow "map pin drops" wherever you happen to be or happen to be going to for real-world, everyday waypoints. (Example syntax: "Remind me to do X when I get to Point Y") Ditch the having to set home and work zones.
This isn't a fanboy getting all defensive. I think I'm being quite objective here. The dry cleaning deal Apple CAN do with existing tech. It just needs to extend the software.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Aug 4, 2013 16:08:13 GMT -8
Welcome back Wheeles, er, Birdie. Hey, like Lstream said, Live and let live. Most of the time. Yes, I can't believe someone as insightful and level-headed as myself has been able to tolerate all you boobs for so long. And yet, here I am.... I'm more in the camp of let everybody have their say so long as true malice isn't the intent. I also think the Moto x bears watching... And I want 465 in the rear view mirror.. And I want galactic peace.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 16:09:34 GMT -8
The Cap'n's feeling a little sarcastic today!
Tell me sir, how many lights do you see? Five? ;D *mock outrage at the person(s) that "made" me look over the entire episode summary*
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Post by jdrizzo89 on Aug 4, 2013 16:12:09 GMT -8
Pain doubters: pinning does exist. To an extent. Not to the point of evil over lords controlling all but Still is a natural mechanism in the markets. Proof of this of apple is the simple change in pattern since the introduction of weekly options. More evidence of this is in the following study: www.math.nyu.edu/faculty/avellane/PowerLaw.pdfInterview with the author m.seekingalpha.com/article/270466I also did a statistical analysis paper back in college on the change in apples weekly trading pattern. If you are interested in me emailing that to you let me know. Stats don't lie..
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Post by bud777 on Aug 4, 2013 16:18:07 GMT -8
Pain doubters: pinning does exist. To an extent. Not to the point of evil over lords controlling all but Still is a natural mechanism in the markets. Proof of this of apple is the simple change in pattern since the introduction of weekly options. More evidence of this is in the following study: www.math.nyu.edu/faculty/avellane/PowerLaw.pdfInterview with the author m.seekingalpha.com/article/270466I also did a statistical analysis paper back in college on the change in apples weekly trading pattern. If you are interested in me emailing that to you let me know. Stats don't lie.. Thank you for this paper. It should be required reading before anyone posts on the subject of pinning
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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 16:20:06 GMT -8
Why wouldn't Apple always pay attention? See the "knee-jerk" responses to location/GPS. Cut/copy/paste. Multitasking. Notification management. Dynamic home screen. Apple gets accused of "copying" Android's feature set all the time. Moto going integrated is nice (being a Google subsidiary and all), but remember how it's able to do some of what it does. One chip for listening? Until Apple has low-power companion processors in its iPhone, that'll be trickier to do. Apple might just stick with dual-core SoC for iPhone 5S, who knows. That's Apple and tradeoffs and design philosophy. Location awareness? Well, there's geofencing already, Apple just needs to make Siri smarter and allow "map pin drops" wherever you happen to be or happen to be going to for real-world, everyday waypoints. (Example syntax: "Remind me to do X when I get to Point Y") Ditch the having to set home and work zones. This isn't apologetics. I think I'm being quite objective here. And the dry cleaning bit Apple CAN do with existing tech. It just needs to extend the software. I expect they are paying attention. Maybe they have a good response. I think that what Moto is doing goes well beyond location awareness though. For an iPhone to be in continual listening or location awareness mode, it must consume a lot more power than the Moto architecture I believe. Apple cannot simply make Siri smarter to respond effectively. That too will suck the battery down. They need hardware changes to effectively respond. Overall, I think that having Moto push Apple with something other than stolen features like Samsung, is both an opportunity and a threat. I think the Moto X is the first piece of evidence though that the purchase of Motorola was not a complete screw-up by Google. I see Google/Motorola as a much bigger threat now that I see this device. Not just to Apple, but to all the Android commodity suppliers who are busy racing to the bottom. Samsung included. Google plus Motorola is the only serious long term threat to Apple in my view. Until I understood the Moto X, I thought thought that the Motorola purchase was a disaster. I am changing my opinion on that now.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 16:26:01 GMT -8
Moto still has so much to prove. The brand clash is not a good start. I CANNOT get over a branded phone with a supposedly proud brand ID and history relegate itself for listening for the word Google though. I happen to think the Moto X would do better just having Google branding or at least Google primary branding.
Apple could easily make its own listening chips. BUT that's a design choice. And a HUGE product philosophy choice. One which, btw, Apple IS capable of some clever workarounds. iWatch in the future as a listening device? Having Siri be more active and actually ASK you if you want to schedule anything? I trust Apple to ramp up security protocols for stuff like that.
Android will always have features Apple doesn't and won't include. Ease of use and improving lives is Apple's guiding star though, so as long as Apple sticks to that focus I see no fundamental difficulties going forward. DO the people want a phone always listening for you? In effect, monitoring you? We'll see.
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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 16:33:36 GMT -8
DO the people want a phone always listening for you? In effect, monitoring you? We'll see. I think it is just listening for "OK Google Now" on a continuous basis. Until it hears that, I don't think it is doing much else. But on the major point I agree. I trust Apple to be in continuous listening mode, way more than I would trust Google. Most of the world seems to completely trust Google though, since they make everything "free". Seems like the price tag attached to selling yourself to Google is really cheap for most of the population.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 16:51:39 GMT -8
I'd love to see someone run Moto X through a disciplined test. Charge 2 phones to 100% or run the test twice on one phone.
Leave one phone in a closet or something soundproof. Leave the other in a noisy work environment. Don't turn either one on, just let it "listen". See if there's any meaningful difference in energy consumption after 24 hours.
Moving onto the futures, everything's looking light red, and the Nikkei itself is trading down about 75 basis points per the delayed quotes. The market being flat to modestly down isn't necessarily a bad thing for AAPL at all lately.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Aug 4, 2013 17:41:57 GMT -8
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Post by prazan on Aug 4, 2013 18:16:39 GMT -8
It's late enough for me to post safely, trusting that no one will read this. The amount of quibbling on the board for a Sunday night makes me mistrust what our common fortune holds for next week. I'm probably the only one here who trades based on the AFB2 Internicine Warfare Index; if we're at each other's throats on Sunday, it doesn't bode well for the week. But like most indexes, it's accurate no more than 50% of the time.
LStream, if you're reading, very droll chart. Thanks for drafting it. Here's my take: the reactions to Sponge are far more destructive than his initial posts. It's easy to ignore any single member's posts, particularly when that member's habits are easy to figure out, but when a couple of other members feel it necessary to police his posts, which then invites defenses from that member and his supporters, then the board becomes unreadable.
Birdwheeles, welcome back!
JD, we first escaped the death spiral that dropped us to 385.10; then on 7/26 we broke the descending trend line from 2/11. I'm looking at 465.75, the high on 5/7, as the level we need to break to escape downtrend hell, hoping we don't bounce our heads off the 200 day at 470. The next trend line of importance is the uptrend dating back from 3/20/09 that currently measures out to 534. And yes, I do astrological charts, too. PM me if you want one. ;D
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Post by prazan on Aug 4, 2013 18:18:08 GMT -8
Thanks for posting this! His charts are instructive, and I worried when I hadn't seen one posted for awhile.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 18:20:45 GMT -8
Grampa Henry's on Twitter too, actually. He beat me to it in fact! ;D
Same as his SI handle - @mchjc
prazan, based on the trendlines I can see we are _definitively_ out of downtrend. The question is can we continue the present uptrend, and to that 465/470/SMA-200 can't be laughed off.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 18:30:20 GMT -8
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Post by platon on Aug 4, 2013 18:45:36 GMT -8
It's late enough for me to post safely, trusting that no one will read this. The amount of quibbling on the board for a Sunday night makes me mistrust what our common fortune holds for next week. I'm probably the only one here who trades based on the AFB2 Internicine Warfare Index; if we're at each other's throats on Sunday, it doesn't bode well for the week. But like most indexes, it's accurate no more than 50% of the time. LStream, if you're reading, very droll chart. Thanks for drafting it. Here's my take: the reactions to Sponge are far more destructive than his initial posts. It's easy to ignore any single member's posts, particularly when that member's habits are easy to figure out, but when a couple of other members feel it necessary to police his posts, which then invites defenses from that member and his supporters, then the board becomes unreadable. Birdwheeles, welcome back! JD, we first escaped the death spiral that dropped us to 385.10; then on 7/26 we broke the descending trend line from 2/11. I'm looking at 465.75, the high on 5/7, as the level we need to break to escape downtrend hell, hoping we don't bounce our heads off the 200 day at 470. The next trend line of importance is the uptrend dating back from 3/20/09 that currently measures out to 534. And yes, I do astrological charts, too. PM me if you want one. ;D Very nice post prazan. Always the gentleman. I wish I could be that well spoken and civil but it is not to be. I have never ignored anyone in my blogosphere life and I have dealt with some vile creatures (I am sure they thought the same of me). Thank you for expressing my thoughts in a way I might never be capable of. I like the eternal optimism of the sponge even if I thought he was a little out of the park at times. At least he could lose money and not take it out on everyone else. That is a positive in my book.
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Post by phoebear611 on Aug 4, 2013 19:04:19 GMT -8
Did Sponge actually say he was leaving or are we making that assumption given the course of events? I thought he had said something about an operation - or was that in the past? Maybe I am confusing his comments with someone else's.
Given that this Board is predominantly men - I can't help but be somewhat amused by it all. I thought guy's groups were different - less bickering than their female counterparts....but I guess in reality we are really all the same.
Goodnight all ... See you bright and early! Sleep well.
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Post by chinacat on Aug 4, 2013 19:47:37 GMT -8
Amen, birdie, and welcome back. Permit me to extoll the benefits of the ignore function once again. Ignore is a weak fix due to people quoting stuff and discussing the content of someone who is on ignore. In a small closed community like this one, I think using ignore as a crutch to justify trolling and clueless posting is off base. People need to take some degree of responsibility for their posts. Saying "ignore me if you don't like it" is not good enough in my opinion. I do not presume that I can "fix" the board. I do not justify trolling and clueless posting. I find that the ignore function helps my enjoyment of the forum by increasing the ratio of enjoyable posts to ones that are less so. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 19:52:15 GMT -8
LStream, if you're reading, very droll chart. Thanks for drafting it. Here's my take: the reactions to Sponge are far more destructive than his initial posts. It's easy to ignore any single member's posts, particularly when that member's habits are easy to figure out, but when a couple of other members feel it necessary to police his posts, which then invites defenses from that member and his supporters, then the board becomes unreadable. Prazan - I respect your tact and opinions. What do you suggest we do when someone posts something that is completely wrong, someone else responds with facts and reason, which is ignored, and the original misinformation is continually repeated as if it is fact and truth. The only way to avoid the situation you describe, at least in this case is to let the disinformation be silently accepted as fact. I don't see how that supports the purpose of what we try to do here. Ya, we would have peace, but at the expense of letting a lot of pure nonsense go unchallenged.
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Post by prazan on Aug 4, 2013 20:33:15 GMT -8
LStream, if you're reading, very droll chart. Thanks for drafting it. Here's my take: the reactions to Sponge are far more destructive than his initial posts. It's easy to ignore any single member's posts, particularly when that member's habits are easy to figure out, but when a couple of other members feel it necessary to police his posts, which then invites defenses from that member and his supporters, then the board becomes unreadable. Prazan - I respect your tact and opinions. What do you suggest we do when someone posts something that is completely wrong, someone else responds with facts and reason, which is ignored, and the original misinformation is continually repeated as if it is fact and truth. The only way to avoid the situation you describe, at least in this case is to let the disinformation be silently accepted as fact. I don't see how that supports the purpose of what we try to do here. Ya, we would have peace, but at the expense of letting a lot of pure nonsense go unchallenged. Did members of the royal court take the jester so seriously that they jousted at foolery? I suspect they accepted the jester for the role he played. I understand that not everyone finds the jester funny, but when I see a Sponge Bob avatar, I'm not inclined to take the poster so seriously. I think most people know nonsense when they see it. And if folks might be confused, then a simple rebuttal will suffice, because it only takes a day or two of reading the boards to understand where most of the posters are coming from.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Aug 4, 2013 21:08:50 GMT -8
I'd rather have a big tent.
We are all adults here ( I think) and can sift through the muck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 21:25:02 GMT -8
Indeed, Fonterra is far and away our biggest company here in NZ (actually a giant Co-Op owned by New Zealand's dairy farmers). I think Fonterra supplies about 90% of chinas dried milk products, and it also supplies a significant proportion of the worlds dairy exports. You would think kiwis would be blessed with cheap dairy products since we are awash with the stuff, but unfortunately its the opposite. I should be feeling sorry for my fellow kiwis affected in the current situation, but a falling kiwi dollar might prove rather beneficial to me at present...
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