chinacat
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Post by chinacat on Sept 27, 2013 13:14:53 GMT -8
Might as well start a bit early. Somehow gaining 15 points this week doesn't feel as good as it should, but I'll toast it anyway.
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 27, 2013 13:15:21 GMT -8
The bar is open... Though I may drink all the wine myself...
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Post by nagrani on Sept 27, 2013 13:41:09 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 14:10:35 GMT -8
Might as well start a bit early. Somehow gaining 15 points this week doesn't feel as good as it should, but I'll toast it anyway. Cheers to that. ðŸ»
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Post by Mav on Sept 27, 2013 14:19:04 GMT -8
Intermediate-term setup is still looking very interesting, if precarious.
The "purist" technical traders are staying away from AAPL, I'd guess. Not enough confirmation of anything yet, and major counter-trend lines have not really been broken.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 14:23:47 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Sept 27, 2013 15:27:19 GMT -8
The bar is open... Though I may drink all the wine myself... What exactly do you call a wine-free bar? Certainly not a whine-free bar.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Sept 27, 2013 16:07:22 GMT -8
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 27, 2013 18:06:25 GMT -8
Might as well start a bit early. Somehow gaining 15 points this week doesn't feel as good as it should, but I'll toast it anyway. THANK YOU for starting the weekend thread!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 18:20:46 GMT -8
Who'd a thunk it? Intel and Samsung may produce more chips than Apple requires, but I'll venture that in 24 months no other chip designer, including Samsung and Intel, will power more devices than will Apple.
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Post by qualitywte on Sept 27, 2013 18:47:08 GMT -8
Yeah, anecdotal is all youre going to get from the lazy lot of analysts. Why can't they do some real research if they want to spout off about sales? He called 25 of 1100 stores and just decided thats enough data to write a headline with. At least this headline wasn't negative, but this is what bugs me about the analysts. They are too lazy to go out and do some real research, they just want to write dramatic headlines to get some hits.
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Post by tuffett on Sept 27, 2013 21:03:06 GMT -8
I'm back from a ban (not really sure why and at this point I don't care) and this will be my last post here. I mean it, unlike the many people who have vowed to leave and come running back. This board is clearly moderated with a bias, and it's a bias I can't agree with. Debate is discouraged. Calling out people on their bullshit is discouraged. Instead, the board is allowed to be dominated by three posters - two of whom get everything completely wrong 90% of the time, and one who contributes greatly but feels entitled to sarcastically brush aside anyone with a differing opinion to him and acts like the ruler of the kingdom. These three posters get free reign, but when I respond to them I get banned. Perhaps I needed to up my post count.
I'm not sure why I got banned, but whatever the reason I'm quite sure it pales in comparison to what a certain poster is allowed to say and get away with. Example? Calling me a racist for daring to disagree with his opinion on the Chinese market, and calling anyone who disagrees with his (almost always wrong) opinions "uninformed". I'll say no more - it's ridiculous.
Aside from the three posters in question, the majority of the rest of the posts here are now whining about analysts, whining about CNBC, and whining about options traders. As this goes on, I find there is less and less value here each and every day. Funny how this is encouraged while I get crucified if I dare to have an opinion that disagrees with the notion that Apple is perfect. I'm a person that believes in the value of hearing contrasting views and opinions, so I'll often stay away from posting if I agree with a topic and join a debate when I disagree. I'm not rude about it unless and until I get provoked. What I bring to this board is clearly discouraged by the powers that be, so I have no purpose here.
I know many of you will be pleased that I'm leaving, but just to set the record straight, there are many people who silently agree with my counterbalancing views and my actions here. A few snippets below that I have received via PM (all names removed):
These are all different people and are or were valuable contributors here.
The fact that people have to resort to PMs to voice their approval shows that they know that joining "my side" of the debate is frowned upon here. To everyone who agrees with my views - I urge you to make them known. The only way this board has a chance of being useful in the future is if debate and discussion from all angles are welcomed. As it stands, it's heading towards three people making 80% of the posts all telling each other the same thing...
Good luck to all. Go Apple. Go AAPL.
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Post by mstrmac on Sept 27, 2013 22:11:02 GMT -8
To everyone who agrees with my views - I urge you to make them known. Good luck to all. Go Apple. Go AAPL. +1
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Post by jmolloy on Sept 28, 2013 3:53:00 GMT -8
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Post by nagrani on Sept 28, 2013 5:01:15 GMT -8
Tuffett. Peace man. Hopefully - you leaving will make you a better man or woman. Or perhaps you are a man who wants to become a woman or vice Versa. Either way - your post was from the heart and I hope some good comes out of it.
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Post by appledoc on Sept 28, 2013 5:22:07 GMT -8
Sorry to see tuffett go.
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Post by nagrani on Sept 28, 2013 5:27:27 GMT -8
Yeah. It sucks. I went back and read some of his old posts and there is some truth to what he says. It's really funny how this board isn't really a "free public board". It's kind of like living in s.korea
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Post by Lstream on Sept 28, 2013 5:47:58 GMT -8
Tuffet. We didn't agree on everything (a good thing in a forum like this), but your posts were worth reading. Sorry to see you go.
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Post by rob_london on Sept 28, 2013 6:03:33 GMT -8
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Post by rob_london on Sept 28, 2013 6:04:49 GMT -8
It's kind of like living in s.korea ??
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Post by dmiller on Sept 28, 2013 6:16:27 GMT -8
I don't like to see anyone go - please reconsider, if that's possible.
I read here multiple times daily and while I don't post often, I've been here for many years, way back before the iPhone and when the iPod was really starting to move. I have a large investment in AAPL and this place has been my way of "trying" to maintain sanity - even after what's happened over the last year.
It's not what it once was, but it is still the best resource and I hate to see it diminished. Losing opinions, to me, is diminished.
There was only one time I can recall that losing a member was necessary and welcome, and that would be Ern the Burn, which is when the first real set of trouble had started.
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Post by Lstream on Sept 28, 2013 6:23:15 GMT -8
You can question the guys decision making and strategic choices, but you can never question his heart, passion and dedication. That was on full display here. It must be tough for him.
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Post by flyonthewall on Sept 28, 2013 7:33:13 GMT -8
Tuffet Hope you reconsider. I am a major aapl bull, have been since Apple II days, was even a campus rep for Apple for 15 yrs. I have ridden this through thick and thin, and was ecstatic when I discovered this forum eons ago. I was a lurker until this last year, and this forum has provided me with a more realistic balance of the "state of aapl" than anything else I have found on the net or elsewhere. Part of the reason I say this, is the running commentary from the forum's members, whether pro or con, and the generally healthy disagreements that occur. Of course, when aapl dives, frustration builds, and the differences of opinion become heated, sometimes going to the dark side. We need all reasoned voices here, and each voice has the right to reflect the opinion of its owner. Sometimes we offer something that is no more than what we are feeling at the time, whether up or down, and may not have anything to back it up. That's just human. Regardless, I strongly feel all of our members offer value to the forum, and your departure would reduce that value for me. Again, please reconsider.
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Post by bud777 on Sept 28, 2013 8:21:01 GMT -8
May I once again ask advice from the more experienced here? What usually happens when a call becomes "in-the-money" long before its expiration? Does the holder of the call wait until right before expiration to exercise it? Or do they usually exercise it as soon as they have made a reasonable profit? I am thinking about buying back the Jan 15 calls I sold and selling Jan 16 calls.
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Post by rickag on Sept 28, 2013 8:43:30 GMT -8
May I once again ask advice from the more experienced here? What usually happens when a call becomes "in-the-money" long before its expiration? Does the holder of the call wait until right before expiration to exercise it? Or do they usually exercise it as soon as they have made a reasonable profit? I am thinking about buying back the Jan 15 calls I sold and selling Jan 16 calls. As I understand it, there is no person that holds your sold calls. Yes, some holders will exercise for a variety of reasons earlier than the expiration date. What I don't understand is the mechanisms that would select your sold calls to be the ones that get exercised (first first out?). Knowing the strike and selling price would help someone with more experience give advice.
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Post by bud777 on Sept 28, 2013 8:57:16 GMT -8
May I once again ask advice from the more experienced here? What usually happens when a call becomes "in-the-money" long before its expiration? Does the holder of the call wait until right before expiration to exercise it? Or do they usually exercise it as soon as they have made a reasonable profit? I am thinking about buying back the Jan 15 calls I sold and selling Jan 16 calls. As I understand it, there is no person that holds your sold calls. Yes, some holders will exercise for a variety of reasons earlier than the expiration date. What I don't understand is the mechanisms that would select your sold calls to be the ones that get exercised (first first out?). Knowing the strike and selling price would help someone with more experience give advice. From what I have been able to gather, calls are assigned by a lottery system within the brokerage. I sold contracts at 590. I am just trying to get a handle on the behavior of call buyers when their calls come in the money. If I were holding the calls and I felt that there was more room for the stock to go up, I would be inclined to delay exercising the options. On the other hand, there is an argument to be made for the "take the money and run" school.
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Post by vikesfaniv on Sept 28, 2013 9:10:07 GMT -8
I'm in London for the Vikings/Steelers game tomorrow. I've seen the 5c advertised everywhere, especially in the Tube (subway). Haven't seen anything for the 5s. Also stopped into the Apple store on Regency street. They sell out of the 5s everyday by 10:00am but the rep told me they aren't getting that many delivered each day (she wouldn't go into actual #'s when I asked). 5c is available in all colors/models and has been selling "ok". Store was busier than anything else I've seen in London so far.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 9:19:09 GMT -8
According to the comments, Ballmer was a saint, or at the very least a very nice guy. That may be true, but he overstayed his effective contribution by about 10 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 9:22:18 GMT -8
You can question the guys decision making and strategic choices, but you can never question his heart, passion and dedication. That was on full display here. It must be tough for him. I must have something turned off, because there was no video on the link. Just a black rectangle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 9:26:19 GMT -8
May I once again ask advice from the more experienced here? What usually happens when a call becomes "in-the-money" long before its expiration? Does the holder of the call wait until right before expiration to exercise it? Or do they usually exercise it as soon as they have made a reasonable profit? I am thinking about buying back the Jan 15 calls I sold and selling Jan 16 calls. Options can be sold, bought back or exercised at any time before expiry. There is no prerequisite for any of those actions. FWIW, I think we are headed into dangerous territory for Call sellers. If selling appeals to you, I'd think Puts, not Calls.
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