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Post by mbeauch on Sept 30, 2012 14:05:36 GMT -8
Watching football and I'm constantly interrupted by these silly SamDUNG commercials. Anyone else have the urge to beat the living crap out of that a-hole "Holding a place in line" for his parents or do I just have anger issues ? Hand raised, hand raised. ;D
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 30, 2012 14:10:01 GMT -8
Ummm can someone please remind what the Acronym "EOs" stands for? Thanks. Evil Overlords. ;D
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Post by mbeauch on Sept 30, 2012 14:15:39 GMT -8
I hope you're kidding. Antenna gate was on Jobs' watch and was 500x worse than this. Mapgate is trivial. The way I look at it, media and competitors will always look for a problem. If maps is the best they can do, Apple's problems around new products are getting much smaller regardless of how much louder the whiners whine today. To say that the Antenna issue was on SJ's watch is a stretch. The man had basically left the company months before and as sick as he was it is doubtful he was running anything. SJ trusted Ive, as do I. Design of the iphone lies with Ive. I do not think at that time that anyone could have overruled Ive, I will get worried if anyone ever can.
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Post by mbeauch on Sept 30, 2012 14:18:27 GMT -8
Ummm can someone please remind what the Acronym "EOs" stands for? Thanks. Evil Overlords. ;D I tend to use "the powers that be", same thing basically. They are both evil.
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Post by Mav on Sept 30, 2012 14:20:35 GMT -8
MB, you mean you can pay withOUT going through the Don't Be Evil™ payment network?
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Post by aaplcrazie on Sept 30, 2012 14:21:40 GMT -8
AHA! rite that makes sense now.... Cheers!
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Post by adamthompson32 on Sept 30, 2012 14:22:01 GMT -8
I hope you're kidding. Antenna gate was on Jobs' watch and was 500x worse than this. Mapgate is trivial. The way I look at it, media and competitors will always look for a problem. If maps is the best they can do, Apple's problems around new products are getting much smaller regardless of how much louder the whiners whine today. To say that the Antenna issue was on SJ's watch is a stretch. The man had basically left the company months before and as sick as he was it is doubtful he was running anything. SJ trusted Ive, as do I. Design of the iphone lies with Ive. I do not think at that time that anyone could have overruled Ive, I will get worried if anyone ever can. You're right, I've designed iPhone 4 without SJ the month before it launched. The design itself was in place 2-3 years (or more) before it launched.
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 30, 2012 14:22:24 GMT -8
Many thanks to another anonymous donor for gifting us with another 150K ad-free hits! We've now banked 350K.
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Post by adamthompson32 on Sept 30, 2012 14:26:40 GMT -8
I hope you're kidding. Antenna gate was on Jobs' watch and was 500x worse than this. Mapgate is trivial. The way I look at it, media and competitors will always look for a problem. If maps is the best they can do, Apple's problems around new products are getting much smaller regardless of how much louder the whiners whine today. This is a total non-issue. Download another app and move on. Eventually apple maps will get better. No biggie. No, my several strongly-worded posts on the subject should suggest I am not kidding, Adam. I mean, nice logic, anttenagate was worse, so subsequent PR hits are OK? I really am less concerned what perma-bull AFB investors think, and more concerned with what the smartphone-buying public at large thinks. Be a Pollyanna all you want. Even my 70-yr-old mom was asking what's up with this map thing, as did several of my friends. It was a hit to the brand. Not fatal, but not trivial. Now, do you want to ask me if I am kidding a third time? I don't think a "PR hit" is avoidable for any Apple product launch. All of the "issues" with every new product are exaggerated beyond belief and they don't affect sales in any measurable way. Apple could launch a "perfect" product and there will be a "PR hit" for some reason. It's unavoidable going forward and it doesn't matter. I can't tell you how many people asked about antennagate and said the iPhone can't make phone calls. Did it matter? Not in a measurable way in terms of sales. Same thing will occur with mapgate. Arguing otherwise goes against all historical evidence in hand for iPhone.
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Post by mbeauch on Sept 30, 2012 14:37:24 GMT -8
You're right, I've designed iPhone 4 without SJ the month before it launched. The design itself was in place 2-3 years (or more) before it launched. Adam, you keep on being an ass I will start being an ass back. There are always designs in place, the decision to go to production is held off as late as possible to insure secrecy. Because the phone was launched late it should be a reasonable assumptions that the final product was still in question. The 4S gave Apple a free pass on design. If I am not mistaken, SJ made his big announcement in Jan and TC was running things basically until the end. The 4S has TC fingerprints all over it. Squeeze a product line to get as much out of it as you possibly can.
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 30, 2012 14:41:09 GMT -8
Hey, guess what I figured out how to do? See the new icon under each avatar? Everyone now, once again, has the ability to ignore someone(s)!
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 30, 2012 14:48:42 GMT -8
(...)...I am yet another decently long time lurker finally joining. I feel like I "know" most of the members after reading AFB for hours each day for about 1.5 years.(...) YAY! Welcome!
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Post by adamthompson32 on Sept 30, 2012 14:59:14 GMT -8
You're right, I've designed iPhone 4 without SJ the month before it launched. The design itself was in place 2-3 years (or more) before it launched. Adam, you keep on being an ass I will start being an ass back. There are always designs in place, the decision to go to production is held off as late as possible to insure secrecy. Because the phone was launched late it should be a reasonable assumptions that the final product was still in question. The 4S gave Apple a free pass on design. If I am not mistaken, SJ made his big announcement in Jan and TC was running things basically until the end. The 4S has TC fingerprints all over it. Squeeze a product line to get as much out of it as you possibly can. Not being an ass. Just stating facts. One more fact, if any iPhone was ever launched late, you and I would never know it so I don't follow your logic. Not to mention I don't see how launch timing has anything to do with this topic.
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Post by artman1033 on Sept 30, 2012 15:14:54 GMT -8
Finally an ad that is closer to appealing to this Grandpa, although I am Catholic and not Lutheran.
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 30, 2012 15:21:26 GMT -8
NO NAME-CALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Mav on Sept 30, 2012 15:35:58 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Sept 30, 2012 15:38:50 GMT -8
Wait. How was the 3GS any different from the 4S?
Also, the 3G/3GS were "cynical" designs. Nice, but plastic. They screamed mass production. The plastic on my 3G was starting to crack (yes, it had an impact-resistant case on at all times) before I hopped to iPhone 4.
5, 5S, 6, 6S and so on. That's the way Apple will iterate iPhone until we see otherwise. It's not squeezing - it's just smart, and gives Ive time to work on new designs and "fun" projects to ease the drudgery (like iPod nano, the loop mechanism for the new "iTouch", EarPods, etc.)
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Post by phoebear611 on Sept 30, 2012 16:05:10 GMT -8
Haven't had the time to activate and transfer all the stuff onto my iPhone 5 and I finally did this evening. I was also waiting for a case to arrive because I am the worst at dropping the damn thing and refuse to use it without one. I can't tell you how over the top pleasantly surprised I am by the feel and look. In the back of my mind I know the techies love it for it's processors and all that but I have to tell you - for the common man/woman - it ROCKS AT ALL LEVELS! I'm finally smiling this weekend! ;D
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Post by artman1033 on Sept 30, 2012 16:09:33 GMT -8
I believe the enclosed image is my finest post of ALL time!
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 30, 2012 16:11:59 GMT -8
Muahahahaha!! <----- evil laugh
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Post by JDSoCal on Sept 30, 2012 16:16:40 GMT -8
BTW, this idea that XXXX screw-up didn't cause any sales losses, how the hell can anyone know that? How can anyone possibly know this unless we went back in a parallel universe without the F-up?
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Post by Mav on Sept 30, 2012 16:19:40 GMT -8
Apple loses customers every time it messes up. Mapgate lost some fence-sitters on Apple, maybe for life.
I quantify lost customers by adjusting the growth rate. It's easier on the mental blender. But visibility will be poor until supply-demand balance is achieved. The other difficulty is, Apple's iPhone business IS slowing as a natural consequence of its scale (not to be confused with the LOL numbers) and the slowing smartphone growth rate in general.
The other, other difficulty - if you assume 250,000 sales were lost due to Mapgate in a quarter, it's hard to detect given Apple's current iPhone sales scale. Unless one thinks that number is much higher, we get a bizarre twilight zone between "important" (tons of money and business for mere mortals) and "unimportant" (rounding error on Apple's quarterly reports).
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Post by rickag on Sept 30, 2012 16:31:26 GMT -8
......... And keep in mind I've been long 19 years without ever selling a share. I wish I could say the same thing, I would be sitting on 2,000 shares instead of 400.
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Post by adamthompson32 on Sept 30, 2012 16:38:38 GMT -8
Haven't had the time to activate and transfer all the stuff onto my iPhone 5 and I finally did this evening. I was also waiting for a case to arrive because I am the worst at dropping the damn thing and refuse to use it without one. I can't tell you how over the top pleasantly surprised I am by the feel and look. In the back of my mind I know the techies love it for it's processors and all that but I have to tell you - for the common man/woman - it ROCKS AT ALL LEVELS! I'm finally smiling this weekend! ;D The phone kicks *** pretty much across the board. Interestingly, I think some of the techies don't like it because it isn't "quad core"...whatever the heck that means. I just know it's the fastest friggin' phone I've owned by a country mile.
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Post by adamthompson32 on Sept 30, 2012 16:40:06 GMT -8
BTW, this idea that XXXX screw-up didn't cause any sales losses, how the hell can anyone know that? How can anyone possibly know this unless we went back in a parallel universe without the F-up? I agree. We can't know. All we know is that iPhone has roughly doubled every year since launch. Maybe Apple planned to triple sales every year. I have no idea. But I'll take the double. Horace's capex analysis does suggest that Apple is selling phones at the rate it has planned to based on its capex spend. Sure, there could be some losses around the edges but it doesn't look material or Horace would be detailing and analyzing the delta between planned iPhone sales as determine d by capex spend and actual sales. So far, no measurable delta exists, at least by his analysis.
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Post by Mav on Sept 30, 2012 16:40:40 GMT -8
Quad core on a smartphone? Maybe next year or the year after that. Fast, power-efficient dual-core or something should be just fine for the iPhone 5S and 6.
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Post by Mav on Sept 30, 2012 16:42:42 GMT -8
BTW, this idea that XXXX screw-up didn't cause any sales losses, how the hell can anyone know that? How can anyone possibly know this unless we went back in a parallel universe without the F-up? I agree. We can't know. All we know is that iPhone has roughly doubled every year since launch. Maybe Apple planned to triple sales every year. I have no idea. But I'll take the double. I've got bad news for you. iPhone isn't doubling anymore on a YOY basis. But that's not actually bad news. If any company is in danger of hitting huge speed bumps on the road of growth, it'd be a company with already-huge handset sales due to having sold handsets in much bigger quantities long before Apple. Wonder who that is...
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Post by adamthompson32 on Sept 30, 2012 16:49:03 GMT -8
I agree. We can't know. All we know is that iPhone has roughly doubled every year since launch. Maybe Apple planned to triple sales every year. I have no idea. But I'll take the double. I've got bad news for you. iPhone isn't doubling anymore on a YOY basis. But that's not actually bad news. If any company is in danger of hitting huge speed bumps on the road of growth, it'd be a company with already-huge handset sales due to having sold handsets in much bigger quantities long before Apple. Wonder who that is... I tend to agree with you about Apple's inability to double iPhone sales again, but at some point they will drop the hammer and offer an iPhone Mini or whatever. I've long been opposed to this idea (and still am) but eventually it will make sense to do it and volumes will absolutely increase as a result. If they can get on a schedule where the regular iPhone is launched every Sep/Oct and the Mini is launched every Mar/Apr I think they can hit volumes much higher than today's volumes. Surely, they can also increase volumes a lot even without the Mini (which is why I don't think it's the right idea today) but at some point I'd like to see this. In 1-2 years when smart phone growth begins to slow radically and then stagnate Apple should do this and I think they will.
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Post by tradermac on Sept 30, 2012 16:52:12 GMT -8
For Verizon iPhone owners... Update your carrier settings.. Go to settings, general, about. Apparently using wifi could end up using some cellular data on VZ. Updating fixes it.
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Post by rosie on Sept 30, 2012 18:52:59 GMT -8
NO NAME-CALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You remind me of many days spent in middle school behavior disorder classes! good job, Esteemed Admin.
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