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Post by chinacat on Oct 17, 2014 16:21:26 GMT -8
Well, it was certainly disappointing to have AAPL get caught in the general market downdraft just as very encouraging announcements emanate from Cupertino. I am optimistically expecting further good news on Monday. With holiday seasons due up in both hemispheres, it's going to take a lot of FUD to keep AAPL suppressed. I sure do hope, as was suggested here, that Apple BTFD this week. The bar is open! What'll ya have?
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Post by rickag on Oct 17, 2014 16:50:22 GMT -8
Well, it was certainly disappointing to have AAPL get caught in the general market downdraft just as very encouraging announcements emanate from Cupertino. I am optimistically expecting further good news on Monday. With holiday seasons due up in both hemispheres, it's going to take a lot of FUD to keep AAPL suppressed. I sure do hope, as was suggested here, that Apple BTFD this week. The bar is open! What'll ya have? I'll have a double shot of humility and patience with a slice of green aapl.
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Post by artman1033 on Oct 17, 2014 19:10:54 GMT -8
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Post by artman1033 on Oct 17, 2014 19:21:44 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Oct 17, 2014 19:50:15 GMT -8
Also kind of a "puff piece" and meme-ish, but the iPhone 6 buyer profiles? Very interesting.
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Post by Since84 on Oct 18, 2014 2:44:42 GMT -8
Also kind of a "puff piece" and meme-ish, but the iPhone 6 buyer profiles? Very interesting. Favorite quote: 'Why does he remain an Apple fan? "Apple changed people's lives."'
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Post by Since84 on Oct 18, 2014 3:07:59 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Oct 18, 2014 4:07:36 GMT -8
Duplicate post.
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Post by Since84 on Oct 18, 2014 4:09:13 GMT -8
The New York Times had an interesting piece yesterday, To Siri, With Love, How Apple’s Siri Became One Autistic Boy's B.F.F.. The things that thrill me the most with Apple's intuitive use of technology are those things that happen which no one could anticipate. How many people expected iTunes to morph into an App store... or into a vast iOS ecosystem... and birth Pay? What will Pay become?
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Post by chinacat on Oct 18, 2014 6:04:35 GMT -8
Thank you x 1000! One of the best AFB referrals ever.
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Post by Ted on Oct 18, 2014 7:04:57 GMT -8
Thank you x 1000! One of the best AFB referrals ever. Agreed, great article! And a testament to how much better Siri has gotten in the last year with recognition, speed, functionality and whimsy.
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Post by artman1033 on Oct 18, 2014 10:38:10 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 11:28:59 GMT -8
Thank you x 1000! One of the best AFB referrals ever. Agreed, great article! And a testament to how much better Siri has gotten in the last year with recognition, speed, functionality and whimsy. Be sure to read the comments. The NYT IS capable of good journalism, but where Apple is concerned, this is sadly the exception that proves the rule.
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Post by Mav on Oct 18, 2014 11:32:55 GMT -8
Broken clocks are right fully twice a day.
Apple media coverage has always been below-average. There's a lot of indictments against humanity amidst the FUD
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Post by nagrani on Oct 18, 2014 12:41:19 GMT -8
Guys - so I think apple is going to beat consensus and guidance is going to be good YOY. However - I'm concerned about ipad sales and the apple paparazzi going full out princess Diana on apple as well as the market weakness in general. Thinking about sitting this quarter out and going all cash?? Thoughts from the peanut gallery here??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 13:42:07 GMT -8
That is Cramer's take, FWIW (not much). It's a coin flip. Apple Pay on Monday could tip the balance on the sentiment meter (or not, if there's a glitch). Really getting excited about iMac 5k.
Honestly, until institutions start buying this stock, who knows...
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Post by artman1033 on Oct 18, 2014 13:44:57 GMT -8
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Post by rickag on Oct 18, 2014 14:57:29 GMT -8
artman1033
You're on a roll, thank you.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Oct 18, 2014 19:40:04 GMT -8
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 18, 2014 20:58:08 GMT -8
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Post by chasmac on Oct 19, 2014 4:01:56 GMT -8
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Post by Ted on Oct 19, 2014 7:38:06 GMT -8
Guys - so I think apple is going to beat consensus and guidance is going to be good YOY. However - I'm concerned about ipad sales and the apple paparazzi going full out princess Diana on apple as well as the market weakness in general. Thinking about sitting this quarter out and going all cash?? Thoughts from the peanut gallery here?? I think you're letting your angst lead your investment outlook... Apple's forward deflector shields are stronger than ever and this product cycle will be momumental. Hence, I think it'll be harder for the FUDsters to find purchase here for the usual mud-slinging, and think the markets will stabilize into X-mas season as fears fade somewhat... But I'm bull+ and have been very wrong before.
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Post by Ted on Oct 19, 2014 8:47:15 GMT -8
Guys - so I think apple is going to beat consensus and guidance is going to be good YOY. However - I'm concerned about ipad sales and the apple paparazzi going full out princess Diana on apple as well as the market weakness in general. Thinking about sitting this quarter out and going all cash?? Thoughts from the peanut gallery here?? I think you're letting your angst lead your investment outlook... Apple's forward deflector shields are stronger than ever and this product cycle will be momumental. Hence, I think it'll be harder for the FUDsters to find purchase here for the usual mud-slinging, and think the markets will stabilize into X-mas season as fears fade somewhat... But I'm bull+ and have been very wrong before. That said, I've dialed down the amount of risk that I take with AAPL these days. Having made back most of what I had two years ago, I now try to be more prudent with more realistic expectations for the monster Apple has become. I keep options down to a third or less of my AAPL holdings; I don't swing for the fences anymore: I buy ATM or slightly ITM LEAPS (just as Pheobe admitted she did a couple years ago - thank you); I usually leg these leaps into "conservative" spreads as/if the stock appreciates; I don't reinvest all profits from options back into more options (compounded stupidity); I leave most in cash to reinvest over time. I also don't mess around with options in my retirement account anymore (oops & ouch). On the last BTFD, I bought a few Jan 16 95/105 BCS that max out at over %150. Works for me for now.
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Post by Luckychoices on Oct 19, 2014 10:12:36 GMT -8
I think you're letting your angst lead your investment outlook... Apple's forward deflector shields are stronger than ever and this product cycle will be momumental. Hence, I think it'll be harder for the FUDsters to find purchase here for the usual mud-slinging, and think the markets will stabilize into X-mas season as fears fade somewhat... But I'm bull+ and have been very wrong before. That said, I've dialed down the amount of risk that I take with AAPL these days. Having made back most of what I had two years ago, I now try to be more prudent with more realistic expectations for the monster Apple has become. I keep options down to a third or less of my AAPL holdings; I don't swing for the fences anymore: I buy ATM or slightly ITM LEAPS (just as Pheobe admitted she did a couple years ago - thank you); I usually leg these leaps into "conservative" spreads as/if the stock appreciates; I don't reinvest all profits from options back into more options (compounded stupidity); I leave most in cash to reinvest over time. I also don't mess around with options in my retirement account anymore (oops & ouch). On the last BTFD, I bought a few Jan 16 95/105 BCS that max out at over %150. Works for me for now. I confess to not understanding why people are willing to take a chance with options at all, even in non-retirement accounts, and are unwilling to just go long on Apple in both types of accounts and avoid options altogether. If Apple, as a company, is a good investment, why not just invest for the long term and be done with it? Especially if you can maximize your 401K and/or IRA every year. I'm guessing most folks in this forum are probably in the 30-60 age range, considerably younger than me, and have time on their side when it comes to investing. If my wife and I had not put all of our investments into Apple 10 or 11 years ago (when I was already over 60), we would be in a much different, as in much worse, financial situation today. I don't know if Apple will be up or down next week, but I'm confident that, over the next few years, it will continue to benefit us to be totally invested in Apple. Why would I possibly want to take a chance on WS giving Apple the valuation it deserves next week or next month or next year to make my options gambles pay off? Meanwhile, Apple pays us reasonable dividends every quarter, to the point that the dividends from our non-IRA accounts pays the tax, and then some, on the money I have to withdraw from my IRA accounts every year due to Required Minimum Distribution. And the dividends in our IRA account buys us more Apple shares. Sweet. In total, our Apple dividends from our IRA and non-IRA accounts pay us over twice what we receive from the total of both of our pensions (29 years for her, 23 years for me) plus my Social Security. Yes, it's been 11 years since we consolidated and ramped up our investments into Apple. But that means, assuming Apple continues to be a great long-term investment, the forum 30-year-olds would still be less than 45. And the 60-year-olds would be very happy in retirement.
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 19, 2014 10:33:24 GMT -8
I confess to not understanding why people are willing to take a chance with options at all, even in non-retirement accounts, and are unwilling to just go long on Apple in both types of accounts and avoid options altogether. If Apple, as a company, is a good investment, why not just invest for the long term and be done with it? Because there is this thing called a "trader," whose income (as opposed to retirement) comes from this thing called "trading." You might think trading a risky proposition compared to a regular paycheck, and it is. But nobody can fire a self-employed trader. Safety and security are relative concepts.
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Post by Luckychoices on Oct 19, 2014 11:17:49 GMT -8
I confess to not understanding why people are willing to take a chance with options at all, even in non-retirement accounts, and are unwilling to just go long on Apple in both types of accounts and avoid options altogether. If Apple, as a company, is a good investment, why not just invest for the long term and be done with it? Because there is this thing called a "trader," whose income (as opposed to retirement) comes from this thing called "trading." You might think trading a risky proposition compared to a regular paycheck, and it is. But nobody can fire a self-employed trader. Safety and security are relative concepts. Thanks for taking the time to walk me thru that, JD. I always appreciate your help. So, if I understand you correctly, and to phrase it slightly differently, there is this thing called "trading" that's done by "traders"; and some of these "traders" frequent this forum to help them "trade" better against a WS that controls AAPL's valuation at weekly and monthly options expirations. OK, great! Got it!
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Post by Mav on Oct 19, 2014 11:37:14 GMT -8
I thought there was only one Bull+ and his name was Mercel.
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Post by chinacat on Oct 19, 2014 12:18:27 GMT -8
I thought there was only one Bull+ and his name was Mercel. Sponge?
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 19, 2014 12:31:04 GMT -8
I thought there was only one Bull+ and his name was Mercel. You may have been thinking of Bull$#!t+.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Oct 19, 2014 12:50:08 GMT -8
I'm detecting a whiff of that old familiar pre-earnings tension. I too feel the urge to either rip off a head, jump off a bridge or drink heavily until tomorrow afternoon. But till then I'm crappy conpany
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