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Post by Since84 on Mar 12, 2015 2:32:39 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Mar 12, 2015 3:00:12 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Mar 12, 2015 3:14:29 GMT -8
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Post by bud777 on Mar 12, 2015 5:19:24 GMT -8
Thanks for posting this. It brought a smile to my face after days of feeling grumpy. IMHO ResearchKit may be the most important thing that Apple has ever done.
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Post by stub on Mar 12, 2015 5:31:06 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Mar 12, 2015 5:35:22 GMT -8
Pleasantly surprised to see GREEN. Hope it holds...
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Post by macwire on Mar 12, 2015 6:06:44 GMT -8
Pleasantly surprised to see GREEN. Hope it holds... We could flush lower a little bit 120 imo is bed rock solid. Not a bad place for r/r despite annoying close yesterday. Trade em well folks.
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Post by firestorm on Mar 12, 2015 6:11:01 GMT -8
Although disclosure of potential conflicts of interest isn't required in such opinion pieces, perhaps it should be. This reminds me of the "scientist" who continually published pieces in research journals that attributed any global warming to short term fluctuations in the sun's energy; nearly everyone believes he is wrong, and he failed to disclose that his research is largely funded by sources within or close to the oil industry. When big money gets involved, ethics can go out the window.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 6:35:01 GMT -8
Perhaps? Of course there needs to be disclosure. Ethics 101 would teach that on day one. It's called independence: If you're not independent, you should either disclose, or better, shut your pie hole. Shame on The Guardian.
On the subject on the Watch's battery, I just wanna know how many times during the day I can check the price on AAPL...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 6:41:53 GMT -8
Kevin Rose doesn't get the Watch Edition. Sounds more like he's concerned the value of his mechanical watch collection is about to take a hit. Don't underestimate the volume of FUD by vested interests that fear Apple's latest disruptive product.
Nice day, so far. Maybe those waiting for a lower price are done waiting today.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 12, 2015 6:52:08 GMT -8
Kevin Rose doesn't get the Watch Edition. Sounds more like he's concerned the value of his mechanical watch collection is about to take a hit. Don't underestimate the volume of FUD by vested interests that fear Apple's latest disruptive product. Nice day, so far. Maybe those waiting for a lower price are done waiting today. I don't get it either (meaning I would never buy one), but I don't think it matters if anyone "gets" it. Which is a point of view that has changed since I first learned about pricing. I think the fact that the "masses" can get a device with the exact same experience as the $20K one, puts a halo around the entire line. Of course all the so called digerati are freaking out or pretending to freak out, but once again they miss the point. Sales for the Edition will end up being a rounding error if that, but it certainly brings an aura to the entire family of devices.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 7:07:27 GMT -8
I'm not interested in the Watch Edition either, but I'm fine Apple is selling it to those who like bling. On the other hand, I'm tempted to buy the MacBook Edition, which is a bargain at the same price silver and space gray materials.
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Post by firestorm on Mar 12, 2015 7:22:52 GMT -8
I suspect that the target market of the Apple bling watch is China, not the west.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Mar 12, 2015 7:32:52 GMT -8
Everyone is talking about the Edition watch even though no one plans to buy one. My old marketing professor would have given that result an "A".
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Post by nathanstevens on Mar 12, 2015 7:39:36 GMT -8
Kevin Rose doesn't get the Watch Edition. Sounds more like he's concerned the value of his mechanical watch collection is about to take a hit. Don't underestimate the volume of FUD by vested interests that fear Apple's latest disruptive product. Nice day, so far. Maybe those waiting for a lower price are done waiting today. That was the same thing I thought when I read his review. This guy is frustrated because he spent a boatload of cash on these fancy mechanical watches and now the Watch will grab all the attention at parties.
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Post by mace on Mar 12, 2015 7:41:53 GMT -8
I suspect that the target market of the Apple bling watch is China, not the west. Pretty obvious that the main target of Watch is Asia. watch is better than iPhone, no need to take out can also show off your social status.
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Post by chasmac on Mar 12, 2015 7:49:44 GMT -8
I suspect that the target market of the Apple bling watch is China, not the west. Pretty obvious that the main target of Watch is Asia. watch is better than iPhone, no need to take out can also show off your social status. Showing off your Apple watch will be a thing to do, kind of like showing off the iPhone and iPad were when they were new. Also, can't wait to see what kind of traffic it brings into the stores. No one is talking about that. Other products have lots of other points of sales.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 7:52:08 GMT -8
People whining they'll miss magsafe power connector on the new MacBook aren't thinking it through: At 2 lbs., the pull of the magsafe would probably prevent it from releasing. Apple sweats the details.
I recall when a blogger (Gruber?) complained the magsafe wasn't powerful enough at its debut. I'm ordering the new MacBook on April 10th, replacing my 2 year old MBA -- great machine but my young eyes appreciate retina displays.
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Post by chasmac on Mar 12, 2015 7:53:35 GMT -8
UBS Note on the Watch.
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Post by chasmac on Mar 12, 2015 7:57:49 GMT -8
People whining they'll miss magsafe power connector on the new MacBook aren't thinking it through: At 2 lbs., the pull of the magsafe would probably prevent it from releasing. Apple sweats the details. I recall when a blogger (Gruber?) complained the magsafe wasn't powerful enough at its debut. I'm ordering the new MacBook on April 10th, replacing my 2 year old MBA -- great machine but my young eyes appreciate retina displays. The size of Apple laptops/products over time
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Post by moltenfire on Mar 12, 2015 7:59:07 GMT -8
His argument that the watch benefits from an Internet of Things also applies in equal amounts to the iPhone.
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Post by platon on Mar 12, 2015 8:02:30 GMT -8
Although disclosure of potential conflicts of interest isn't required in such opinion pieces, perhaps it should be. This reminds me of the "scientist" who continually published pieces in research journals that attributed any global warming to short term fluctuations in the sun's energy; nearly everyone believes he is wrong, and he failed to disclose that his research is largely funded by sources within or close to the oil industry. When big money gets involved, ethics can go out the window. I agree perhaps these COI should be vetted as long as it goes both ways. The government has more money than anyone and a small part of it is mine ---taken by force I might add--- so they could fund the greenies (along side the insurance companies) and their bogus science. If you are speaking to Dr. Soon's assertions you might be surprised to know that he did not know who the donors were. This from the Heartland Institute "By agreement between donors and the Smithsonian, Dr. Soon wasn’t even aware of who some of the donors were, making a conflict of interest impossible." His science was not questioned (in that particular article) by anyone even those with vested interests in smearing him. More comments by Paul Driessen on the COI from that side of the argument--"Their 1090 forms reveal that, during the 2010-2012 period, six environmentalist groups received a whopping $332 million from six federal agencies! That is 270 times what Dr. Willie Soon and Harvard-Smithsonian’s Center for Astrophysics received from fossil fuel companies in a decade - the funding that supposedly triggered the lawmakers’ letters, mere days after Greenpeace launched its attack on Dr. Soon." However I do agree that both sides should reveal their funding. I don't see how this particular incident pertains to AAPL but you brought it up and I thought it fair to point out that the "transparency" should have to work both ways just as it should in any debate.
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Post by hamourabi on Mar 12, 2015 8:06:08 GMT -8
Everyone is talking about the Edition watch even though no one plans to buy one. My old marketing professor would have given that result an "A". I would think that the main target of the watch edition is to enhance the perceived value of the sport and plain apple watches
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Post by Lstream on Mar 12, 2015 8:09:35 GMT -8
Kevin Rose doesn't get the Watch Edition. Sounds more like he's concerned the value of his mechanical watch collection is about to take a hit. Don't underestimate the volume of FUD by vested interests that fear Apple's latest disruptive product. Nice day, so far. Maybe those waiting for a lower price are done waiting today. That was the same thing I thought when I read his review. This guy is frustrated because he spent a boatload of cash on these fancy mechanical watches and now the Watch will grab all the attention at parties. Seriously? This sounds like something a blogger would write, and then we would complain about it. What he says about the Edition version being only good for broadcasting wealth is correct in my opinion. He is also right that there is no collectable value to it, and he is not alone. All kinds of credible people have a concern about the obsolescence overhang that will come with it. I don't believe for a minute that people that buy collectable watches are worried at all about the Apple Watch showing them up at parties. Cmon. I believe that the image attached to wearing the Edition version is definitely way worse then that attached to a high end Swiss Watch and all the craftsmanship and uniqueness that goes with it. It is one of the reasons I want no part of it.
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Post by Apple II+ on Mar 12, 2015 8:33:18 GMT -8
Thanks for posting this. It brought a smile to my face after days of feeling grumpy. IMHO ResearchKit may be the most important thing that Apple has ever done. IMO the Apple ][ is clearly the most important, which made possible truly personal computers, Macintosh, NeXT, Pixar, iPod, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, Research Kit, and so much more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 8:34:14 GMT -8
Well, I have a friend who was dissing the Watch and he's a mechanical watch fiend. Guess what? He's impressed by the Watch now and will probably get one. You may think the mechanicals will hold up in value, but over time, I doubt it, as people aren't likely to concede all that a smart watch will do for something that just tells time (and not very well at that!). People not going to wear a mechanical on one arm and Watch on another. Traditional timepieces are jewelry, and it's possible it won't be any different than a gold chain in 2-3 years. Maybe it will become fashionable to remove the band and hang it around one's neck?
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 12, 2015 8:41:20 GMT -8
Although disclosure of potential conflicts of interest isn't required in such opinion pieces, perhaps it should be. This reminds me of the "scientist" who continually published pieces in research journals that attributed any global warming to short term fluctuations in the sun's energy; nearly everyone believes he is wrong, and he failed to disclose that his research is largely funded by sources within or close to the oil industry. When big money gets involved, ethics can go out the window. Or the conflict of interest climate "scientists" have when they only get grants if their research purports to show warming. Far more money in climate "science" comes from such biased grant sources than the oil industry. It's like a PhD candidate in Sociology writing a dissertation that all welfare should be eliminated. Good luck with that, LOL! Of course, the field of climate "science" itself has a selection bias - most people who go into it already think the sky is falling (much like Sociology). So they change the data. Or make excuses after the fact when their models fail to show an 18-year pause in warming. Yep, gotta disclose the bias! Cheers to the longs (of AAPL and XOM).
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Post by firestorm on Mar 12, 2015 9:10:13 GMT -8
Although disclosure of potential conflicts of interest isn't required in such opinion pieces, perhaps it should be. This reminds me of the "scientist" who continually published pieces in research journals that attributed any global warming to short term fluctuations in the sun's energy; nearly everyone believes he is wrong, and he failed to disclose that his research is largely funded by sources within or close to the oil industry. When big money gets involved, ethics can go out the window. Or the conflict of interest climate "scientists" have when they only get grants if their research purports to show warming. Far more money in climate "science" comes from such biased grant sources than the oil industry. It's like a PhD candidate in Sociology writing a dissertation that all welfare should be eliminated. Good luck with that, LOL! Of course, the field of climate "science" itself has a selection bias - most people who go into it already think the sky is falling (much like Sociology). So they change the data. Or make excuses after the fact when their models fail to show an 18-year pause in warming. Yep, gotta disclose the bias! Cheers to the longs (of AAPL and XOM). You guys are so easy to tweak!
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Post by tuffett on Mar 12, 2015 9:10:28 GMT -8
On the subject on the Watch's battery, I just wanna know how many times during the day I can check the price on AAPL... That is honestly going to be my major use case for Apple Watch
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Post by rmhe1999 on Mar 12, 2015 9:10:41 GMT -8
Must… refrain…. from entering…. climate debate…. in this thread.
<= Note my employer.
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