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Post by rezonate on Aug 26, 2015 14:37:08 GMT -8
Saw this social media post by a younger relative. She is a smart cookie, and has been a fangrrl over the years. "…The updated Music app is all about apple music, and there's no way to just see a list of your songs (or that I can find anyway). I can only look at albums…I just want to listen to my music!!!!" Open Apple Music. Touch the My Music tab. There's no step 3. Touch the heading at the top of the list to choose listing by albums, songs, genres, etc. I gave it a good look today. That last bit is the interface breakage. Same problem in the desktop application. In iOS, yes it is red, underlined, and has a little down arrow. Still doesn't seem right. I'll see her this weekend and do some 101.
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Post by 2centsplus on Aug 26, 2015 15:30:36 GMT -8
Re: Apple Music
Steve Jobs: skate to where the puck will be.
All Other Mortals: do a modicum of user-testing before you launch.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Aug 26, 2015 15:34:57 GMT -8
We sit at 110 in afterhours. I am amazed how I like looking at a number like 110. Memories are short...
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Aug 26, 2015 15:36:38 GMT -8
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Post by burtonair on Aug 26, 2015 15:50:30 GMT -8
Here's my speculation from yesterday: Not many speculating on this. Why would they need such a large auditorium? If this were true and that's a big if, i would speculate that they had to reserve this a long time ago and they expected to launch the new Apple TV with the subscription service and so they wanted to invite many more people in addition to all the Watch people they'll want to continue inviting. Or they need the space to show off the new hydrogen fuel cell powered Apple Cars (wishful thinking). .... Oh and i also speculation today about a staging area for homekit-powered home theater setups.
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Post by rickag on Aug 26, 2015 16:03:22 GMT -8
Concert for Apple Music event?
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Post by rickag on Aug 26, 2015 16:06:56 GMT -8
Concert for Apple Music event? Forgot to mention Cirque du Soleil performing with live rap music.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Aug 26, 2015 16:08:59 GMT -8
A doctor family member called me yesterday to tell me he thought there were a lot of good undervalued buys in the market right now, for example Google and Wells Fargo Bank. I asked him what he thought about Apple (he already holds some) and he said he just didn't think there was anything big on the horizon for Apple. . So did your broker advise you about your medical conditions? I wasn't suggesting we should give credence to his opinions. I was sharing it because I think it's interesting to get the perspective of the "normal" retail investor who doesn't follow the market every day like we do. It shows the challenge that AAPL has to overcome the widespread conventional wisdom.
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Post by artman1033 on Aug 26, 2015 16:26:35 GMT -8
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Post by hledgard on Aug 26, 2015 18:20:20 GMT -8
Re: Apple Music Steve Jobs: skate to where the puck will be. All Other Mortals: do a modicum of user-testing before you launch. I don't know why vendors ignore the value of user testing. I think that projects are often so overdue there is a rush to market, and all the software engineers think they have it right. Faulty assumptions. Real user testing is a great idea.
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Post by chasmac on Aug 26, 2015 18:46:28 GMT -8
Pat Robertson: Market Crash ‘God’s’ punishment for Abortion Rights & Planned Parenthood. Wonder if the big guy was able to get his trades executed by TD Ameritrade Monday?
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Post by firestorm on Aug 26, 2015 19:03:47 GMT -8
Re: Apple Music Steve Jobs: skate to where the puck will be. All Other Mortals: do a modicum of user-testing before you launch. I don't know why vendors ignore the value of user testing. I think that projects are often so overdue there is a rush to market, and all the software engineers think they have it right. Faulty assumptions. Real user testing is a great idea. I'm not a software engineer, nor do I play one on TV, but it strikes me that every project at Apple and in other big software companies must add an order of magnitude of complexity to the code that already exists and results in all sorts of consequences. I'm amazed that the engineers manage to do as well as they do, but I sure wish that iTunes had been more rationally and aesthetically designed for all these years. In comparison with such beautiful Apple software as Aperture, iMovie, Pages, and many others, it was truly a mess that they didn't know how to correct.
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Post by 2centsplus on Aug 26, 2015 19:11:21 GMT -8
Not many speculating on this. Why would they need such a large auditorium? If this were true and that's a big if, i would speculate that they had to reserve this a long time ago and they expected to launch the new Apple TV with the subscription service and so they wanted to invite many more people in addition to all the Watch people they'll want to continue inviting. Whatever it is, it sounds damn promising - at worst room to invite thousands more journalists to cover the new iPhone, at best something new.
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Post by mark on Aug 26, 2015 19:33:40 GMT -8
So did your broker advise you about your medical conditions? I wasn't suggesting we should give credence to his opinions. I was sharing it because I think it's interesting to get the perspective of the "normal" retail investor who doesn't follow the market every day like we do. It shows the challenge that AAPL has to overcome the widespread conventional wisdom. I once read somewhere that doctors are among the worst investors. I wonder if that's really true?
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Post by mark on Aug 26, 2015 19:37:44 GMT -8
Does anyone else think that it's disgusting that 51.9% of the shares were withheld to cover the taxes due? What the hell kind of country taxes someone at a rate greater than 50%? In my opinion, the sum total of tax on income should never, ever exceed 1/3, and ideally be closer to 20%.
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Post by firestorm on Aug 26, 2015 19:53:35 GMT -8
Concert for Apple Music event? That would be my guess as well. In the old days, Apple could spring a big surprise because they weren't quite as closely observed. Now it seems that we know every detail well ahead of time, and the only surprises seem to be the hardware and software glitches that are trumped up because they are the only real news.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 26, 2015 20:02:46 GMT -8
Does anyone else think that it's disgusting that 51.9% of the shares were withheld to cover the taxes due? What the hell kind of country taxes someone at a rate greater than 50%? In my opinion, the sum total of tax on income should never, ever exceed 1/3, and ideally be closer to 20%. Ahhh, California taxes. We occasionally think of moving back, mainly when thinking about college expenses and considering the in state vs out of state tuition at the UC's. The difference could very well be half a million bucks, for our 3 kids.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 26, 2015 20:24:39 GMT -8
I don't know why vendors ignore the value of user testing. I think that projects are often so overdue there is a rush to market, and all the software engineers think they have it right. Faulty assumptions. Real user testing is a great idea. I'm not a software engineer, nor do I play one on TV, but it strikes me that every project at Apple and in other big software companies must add an order of magnitude of complexity to the code that already exists and results in all sorts of consequences. I'm amazed that the engineers manage to do as well as they do, but I sure wish that iTunes had been more rationally and aesthetically designed for all these years. In comparison with such beautiful Apple software as Aperture, iMovie, Pages, and many others, it was truly a mess that they didn't know how to correct. It all depends, on the company, the team, the product. I worked at Apple as a software QA engineer for over 6 years. In the groups I was in, the expectations on UI/UX were high, and I always looked for ways to make it better. I wasn't happy with some (Pages...I just didn't like how you went about doing most things, but it was tied into Keynote, and some guy named SJ had a bit more influence on this), but others I worked on from the start. It's tough to make things easy, mainly because you have to figure out what's most important and what can be cut. Even with their often being a UI guy, there were always things to improve. And there was a lot of trying to convince people of a better way. Some projects do have baggage. Apple Remote Desktop for OS X was a rewrite of Network Assistant from the OS 8 era (I think it may have even worked on 7.5.x). That was one where even the developers flat out admitted that it was spaghetti code. And thus, from the testing side, it was completely possible that a small change here could make a big problem in a whole different part of the product. But again, simplicity is tough. I can't even remember all the details now, but with the iPod there was a big change that pissed a lot of people off. It was with the functionality of the single button in the middle of the click wheel. That was the only button, and some new feature made it so they axed the old usage, whatever it was. I think the new feature might have brought you to pictures, when the color screens first came out. It's tough adding features, when there is limited interface. Apple has been opening up their beta testing tremendously lately. It's not in all products, but even just the OS and iOS is a huge deal. Having more than just external developers be the outsiders that can look at it is a good thing. Compared to other companies I have worked at, Apple's standards for user experience and testing in general were much higher. In some cases a lower standard is justified, but in others the difference is laughable.
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Post by mace on Aug 26, 2015 20:35:35 GMT -8
... What the hell kind of country taxes someone at a rate greater than 50%? In my opinion, the sum total of tax on income should never, ever exceed 1/3, and ideally be closer to 20%. 65% of Californians don't pay income tax because people like TC pays 50%. if TC pays only 20%, many Californians would have to pay income tax, doubt your tax suggestion can get approve.
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Post by sponge on Aug 26, 2015 20:40:46 GMT -8
Will cash my Apple Stock in the Caymen Islands in 30 years. Don't need the communist government of CA taking my money and will avoid most Federal as well.
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Post by mace on Aug 26, 2015 21:27:01 GMT -8
Will cash my Apple Stock in the Caymen Islands in 30 years. Don't need the communist government of CA taking my money and will avoid most Federal as well. American tax system puzzles me a lot. Nearly everyone is middle class yet more than 60% don't pay federal income tax. And in California, 65% don't pay state income tax.
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Post by JDSoCal on Aug 26, 2015 23:13:39 GMT -8
I think we can broadly agree that if AAPL can break out of this downtrend (green line), it'd be a good thing. Hmm...OK, let me see if I've got a handle on this complex TA stuff. So a stock going down precipitously is bad, and it going back up is good? Wait, you're going too fast for me. Which squiggly line means Tim Cook e-mailed Cramer again?
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Post by firestorm on Aug 27, 2015 5:01:27 GMT -8
I'm not a software engineer, nor do I play one on TV, but it strikes me that every project at Apple and in other big software companies must add an order of magnitude of complexity to the code that already exists and results in all sorts of consequences. I'm amazed that the engineers manage to do as well as they do, but I sure wish that iTunes had been more rationally and aesthetically designed for all these years. In comparison with such beautiful Apple software as Aperture, iMovie, Pages, and many others, it was truly a mess that they didn't know how to correct. It all depends, on the company, the team, the product. I worked at Apple as a software QA engineer for over 6 years. In the groups I was in, the expectations on UI/UX were high, and I always looked for ways to make it better. I wasn't happy with some (Pages...I just didn't like how you went about doing most things, but it was tied into Keynote, and some guy named SJ had a bit more influence on this), but others I worked on from the start. It's tough to make things easy, mainly because you have to figure out what's most important and what can be cut. Even with their often being a UI guy, there were always things to improve. And there was a lot of trying to convince people of a better way. Some projects do have baggage. Apple Remote Desktop for OS X was a rewrite of Network Assistant from the OS 8 era (I think it may have even worked on 7.5.x). That was one where even the developers flat out admitted that it was spaghetti code. And thus, from the testing side, it was completely possible that a small change here could make a big problem in a whole different part of the product. But again, simplicity is tough. I can't even remember all the details now, but with the iPod there was a big change that pissed a lot of people off. It was with the functionality of the single button in the middle of the click wheel. That was the only button, and some new feature made it so they axed the old usage, whatever it was. I think the new feature might have brought you to pictures, when the color screens first came out. It's tough adding features, when there is limited interface. Apple has been opening up their beta testing tremendously lately. It's not in all products, but even just the OS and iOS is a huge deal. Having more than just external developers be the outsiders that can look at it is a good thing. Compared to other companies I have worked at, Apple's standards for user experience and testing in general were much higher. In some cases a lower standard is justified, but in others the difference is laughable. Thank you for your excellent insights from the inside. To most of us, coding is just one of those mysteries of life.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 27, 2015 6:49:59 GMT -8
Thank you for your excellent insights from the inside. To most of us, coding is just one of those mysteries of life. Coding, in the large scale, is still a mystery to me. My degree is in Chemical Engineering, not Computer Science and Engineering. I took a liking to programming classes, but at the time the classes were so impacted that I couldn't get in to anything but the intro ones. Funny that there was always room in the humanities majors, but that's a different story. On the programming front my largest programs have only been a few pages of code, with the largest one being a program that analyzed CBOE data and narrowed the field on what options to look at. I never did put a UI on there, falling instead for the functionality over usability problem. But I also only released that to a small group of investors 13 years ago or so, so the functionality was really just for me, and there didn't seem to be enough demand for it at the time.
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Post by platon on Aug 27, 2015 7:27:10 GMT -8
Will cash my Apple Stock in the Caymen Islands in 30 years. Don't need the communist government of CA taking my money and will avoid most Federal as well. American tax system puzzles me a lot. Nearly everyone is middle class yet more than 60% don't pay federal income tax. And in California, 65% don't pay state income tax. (Caveat to firestorm this may be construed as political but I did not begin the conversation. I will avoid mentioning names and parties to avoid ruffling.) Yeah Mace it is confusing, anything consisting of 74608 pages will confuse anyone. We have some of the largest quarterly tax revenues in history (that come nowhere near paying our debt) with fewer and fewer people paying taxes. Redistribution of wealth in search of votes and these onerous taxes will have to be put on the middle class who do not have the means to avoid them like the super wealthy do. Both parties are responsible but only one party has people who are running who want to simplify the tax code and lower corporate taxes as well. If tax law allows the majority to confiscate wealth from the wealthy, and the majority is made up of people who pay no taxes, it will become impossible to become wealthy in this country and the middle class will disappear.
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Post by firestorm on Aug 27, 2015 7:36:36 GMT -8
The USA economic growth rate was revised upward to 3.7% in the second quarter, which is an excellent trend if China doesn't tank it: goo.gl/C3c3k4
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Post by firestorm on Aug 27, 2015 7:38:54 GMT -8
American tax system puzzles me a lot. Nearly everyone is middle class yet more than 60% don't pay federal income tax. And in California, 65% don't pay state income tax. (Caveat to firestorm this may be construed as political but I did not begin the conversation. I will avoid mentioning names and parties to avoid ruffling.) Yeah Mace it is confusing, anything consisting of 74608 pages will confuse anyone. We have some of the largest quarterly tax revenues in history (that come nowhere near paying our debt) with fewer and fewer people paying taxes. Redistribution of wealth in search of votes and these onerous taxes will have to be put on the middle class who do not have the means to avoid them like the super wealthy do. Both parties are responsible but only one party has people who are running who want to simplify the tax code and lower corporate taxes as well. If tax law allows the majority to confiscate wealth from the wealthy, and the majority is made up of people who pay no taxes, it will become impossible to become wealthy in this country and the middle class will disappear. This is blatantly political and belongs in the Dungeon, along with the rest of your posts. There is nothing wrong with being in the Dungeon ... so why don't you move it there like a good little boy?
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Post by Ted on Aug 27, 2015 7:41:09 GMT -8
Hey fellas, you're posting in yesterday's folder. What's-a-matter-wit-you?
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