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Post by Since84 on Oct 5, 2015 2:29:54 GMT -8
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Post by tuffett on Oct 5, 2015 4:44:28 GMT -8
Agree with most of the article on Apple Music. It's horrible, and I've unsubscribed. Had issues ranging from some songs being unavailable to play to my entire library being deleted off my phone.
The Music app is no better - any welcome added features (e.g. play next) are negated by the horrible UI. Whoever thought it's a good idea to have recently added albums take up 40% of the screen needs to have his head examined. I don't care what albums I've added recently - I like all my music and they should all have equal priority. Whoever thought it a good idea to require the user to scroll down before being able to access the alphabetized lookup on the right side of the screen needs to b shot. I just don't understand how a company that prides itself on UI has got it so obviously wrong and has done nothing to fix it in months. Or maybe I'm the only one who finds these things annoying.
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Post by incorrigible on Oct 5, 2015 5:46:01 GMT -8
Entire portfolio green today ... except for AAPL
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Post by Since84 on Oct 5, 2015 5:50:26 GMT -8
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Post by rickag on Oct 5, 2015 8:16:52 GMT -8
Could'nt log in for a while, was showing signs of withdrawal, anxiety and the shakes.
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Post by chinacat on Oct 5, 2015 8:20:22 GMT -8
Anyone running El Capitan yet? I'm tending towards waiting a bit until the first couple of patch releases are issued. Target is our 2015 iMac.
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Post by Since84 on Oct 5, 2015 8:33:04 GMT -8
I installed El Capitan on a MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Mid 2014) the day it was released. No problems or issues. Just smooth surfing... the way a computer should be.
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Post by bud777 on Oct 5, 2015 8:46:17 GMT -8
Anyone running El Capitan yet? I'm tending towards waiting a bit until the first couple of patch releases are issued. Target is our 2015 iMac. I'm using it with no problems
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Post by mrentropy on Oct 5, 2015 8:52:40 GMT -8
Hilarious how AMZN leaps on "best global brand" while AAPL does nothing. The real reason we are down appears to be this: MARKETWATCH: Apple's stock falls, bucking broad market gains, after Citigroup cuts iPhone sales outlook, click at your own risk. Nicely spotted Jim, you think Apple might have know the timing of the iPhone release when they gave you that "disappointing guidance back at the end of last quarter? Therefore your "reduction" in you dartboard toss is kind of irrelevant isn't it? Apple already told you where they are going to land, you are just now getting there nearly 3 months later. I am increasingly starting to believe Apple should not give out any information about sales. Take all the guessing off the table, here is where we are going to be revenue and margin wise next quarter. Take the hit now, announce the end of it and take away a major propaganda tool from the Street. It works for Amazon... The thing about Analysts "notes" to clients is that they are not notes to clients at all. If it was a note to clients, it wouldn't be public. It would go just to the people paying for the information. These public notes to clients are just from the ministry of information. It is naive to believe that they are in no way meant to influence the stock. We the public will never see the real notes, we see what the influencers carefully crafted messages want us to see and believe. Enough with the tinfoil hat stuff. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but this so called analysis strains any sliver of credultiy.
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Post by coma on Oct 5, 2015 9:03:49 GMT -8
Could'nt log in for a while, was showing signs of withdrawal, anxiety and the shakes. Happened to me too, I finally went outside and trimmed the bushes.
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Post by macster on Oct 5, 2015 9:06:16 GMT -8
El Capitan on my home 09 iMac, 8 gigs of ram. No problems. I bought this one for my daughter who was in med school. My late 06 iMac kind of died. I was having Display Problems, weird artifacts, lines, distortion of parts of the screen, weird color patterns, etc... May have been overheating due to dusk inside but this 09 iMac was not being used so the Mac i bought in 09 is new to me.
Has anyone have a clear reason why Apple is going nowhere while the market is being infused with new money?
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Post by dreamRaj on Oct 5, 2015 9:30:51 GMT -8
... Has anyone have a clear reason why Apple is going nowhere while the market is being infused with new money? The usual - Just the retail folks buying and selling. Mostly selling because of FUD and less knowledge. Citigroup's analyst and MarketWatch are today's FUDsters.
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Post by Luckychoices on Oct 5, 2015 10:07:39 GMT -8
Hilarious how AMZN leaps on "best global brand" while AAPL does nothing. The real reason we are down appears to be this: MARKETWATCH: Apple's stock falls, bucking broad market gains, after Citigroup cuts iPhone sales outlook, click at your own risk. Nicely spotted Jim, you think Apple might have know the timing of the iPhone release when they gave you that "disappointing guidance back at the end of last quarter? Therefore your "reduction" in your dartboard toss is kind of irrelevant isn't it? Apple already told you where they are going to land, you are just now getting there nearly 3 months later. I am increasingly starting to believe Apple should not give out any information about sales. Take all the guessing off the table, here is where we are going to be revenue and margin wise next quarter. Take the hit now, announce the end of it and take away a major propaganda tool from the Street. It works for Amazon... The thing about Analysts "notes" to clients is that they are not notes to clients at all. If it was a note to clients, it wouldn't be public. It would go just to the people paying for the information. These public notes to clients are just from the ministry of information. It is naive to believe that they are in no way meant to influence the stock. We the public will never see the real notes, we see what the influencers carefully crafted messages want us to see and believe.Enough with the tinfoil hat stuff. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but this so called analysis strains any sliver of credultiy. Excellent post, mrentropy. I guess I should have saved some time and bolded your entire post. Nicely done!
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Post by sponge on Oct 5, 2015 10:37:54 GMT -8
I noticed that when we hit ATH we beat the S&P by 25% in February.
Now we are down 18% while S&P is down 9%. What a roller coaster.
Personally I want to see 120 by earnings.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Oct 5, 2015 11:55:39 GMT -8
Yep, market up huge today, hoisting AAPL just above the waterline. Hate to see what AAPL would have looked like if the market was down 2% today.
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Post by nagrani on Oct 5, 2015 11:57:46 GMT -8
Yes. This whole action is awful. I have this capitulation feeling that perhaps is a bullish sign.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Oct 5, 2015 12:07:45 GMT -8
Yes. This whole action is awful. I have this capitulation feeling that perhaps is a bullish sign. I mean this with love: when have we AAPL believers interpreted anything to be a bearish sign?
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Post by nagrani on Oct 5, 2015 12:14:54 GMT -8
Yes. This whole action is awful. I have this capitulation feeling that perhaps is a bullish sign. I mean this with love: when have we AAPL believers interpreted anything to be a bearish sign? You do it almost every time you post, no? I admit - I'm a big apple bull but I have big reason to think Apple is long over due for a bounce. Fundamentals and technicals both point in that direction
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Oct 5, 2015 12:57:55 GMT -8
I mean this with love: when have we AAPL believers interpreted anything to be a bearish sign? You do it almost every time you post, no? I admit - I'm a big apple bull but I have big reason to think Apple is long over due for a bounce. Fundamentals and technicals both point in that direction No – I am holding calls and am extremely bullish on Apple and AAPL. However, I probably would've done better this year if I had been more bearish. In 2008 and 2012, I was involved with bullish online message groups which fostered groupthink and increase my comfort level taking bullish bets. So I am now aware that being a part of groupthink can be costly and I try to understand and discuss the market's negative point of view to counter my own bullishness on Apple and reach a more balanced understanding. I think we need to try to recognize the problem and try to understand why the market undervalues Apple. Otherwise we are just left with cries of "it's not fair!" From a fundamental perspective AAPL only looks underpriced if you believe they will continue to grow earnings. I know we all believe they will, but a large swath of the market believes that the earnings will start to plateau and then contract in the Dec quarter and after. This leads me to suspect that we won't see new ATHs until after this narrative is fully put to death. That may be in Jan after ER or maybe not til April (after getting past "tough March compare"). By discussing this "negative" stuff, it could lead us all to make smarter bets.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Oct 5, 2015 13:00:40 GMT -8
Oh, and the AAPL technicals look terrible. We are still trapped under all the moving averages, and the price get knocked down every time AAPL touches one of them. There was a big inverted Head & Shoulders brewing, but it's looking more and more like that pattern is being invalidated by the last several days of stock action.
I personally don't weight technicals as much as fundamentals and ephemeral "story" trends, but the technicals don't look great right now.
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Post by mace on Oct 5, 2015 13:17:50 GMT -8
Oh, and the AAPL technicals look terrible. We are still trapped under all the moving averages, and the price get knocked down every time AAPL touches one of them. There was a big inverted Head & Shoulders brewing, but it's looking more and more like that pattern is being invalidated by the last several days of stock action. I personally don't weight technicals as much as fundamentals and ephemeral "story" trends, but the technicals don't look great right now. Stochastic is oversold. 20-day SMA is about to cross above 50-day SMA. MACD poises to cross above signal and zero line. Price is inside the ichimoku cloud and a few dollars more to $112.50 (above would be bullish)
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Post by sponge on Oct 5, 2015 13:18:18 GMT -8
The goal posts will be moved. Strong eps last quarter was a result of China in first weekend and strong buy backs.
Then 1st quarter strong sales will be attributed to moving an extra week of iPhone sales from 4th quarter.
Then concerns will be brought up about hard yoy growth due to strong 2015.
We do still have a chance of stock appreciation regardless since retail may jump in and cause a nice Santa rally after we break 200 MA.
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Post by ericinaustin on Oct 5, 2015 13:55:18 GMT -8
You do it almost every time you post, no? I admit - I'm a big apple bull but I have big reason to think Apple is long over due for a bounce. Fundamentals and technicals both point in that direction No – I am holding calls and am extremely bullish on Apple and AAPL. However, I probably would've done better this year if I had been more bearish. In 2008 and 2012, I was involved with bullish online message groups which fostered groupthink and increase my comfort level taking bullish bets. So I am now aware that being a part of groupthink can be costly and I try to understand and discuss the market's negative point of view to counter my own bullishness on Apple and reach a more balanced understanding. I think we need to try to recognize the problem and try to understand why the market undervalues Apple. Otherwise we are just left with cries of "it's not fair!" From a fundamental perspective AAPL only looks underpriced if you believe they will continue to grow earnings. I know we all believe they will, but a large swath of the market believes that the earnings will start to plateau and then contract in the Dec quarter and after. This leads me to suspect that we won't see new ATHs until after this narrative is fully put to death. That may be in Jan after ER or maybe not til April (after getting past "tough March compare"). By discussing this "negative" stuff, it could lead us all to make smarter bets. I agree with almost everything you say but believe it is a fools errand to try and figure out why the market undervalues AAPL. The market is not rational and filled with day traders entral readers, charlatnns, and novices that use the market as their " liget" roulette wheel. You can't ever really understand that. All you can really do is buy valuable growing companies that are well run and when the price reaches low head scratcher values step in and buy again. Over time this will grind the others into the dirt. And when the price reaches really stupid cheap levels take a few chances with options. And a prescription for Prozac can help
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Post by coma on Oct 5, 2015 13:58:23 GMT -8
a prescription for Prozac can help I have a shrink . . .
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Post by mace on Oct 5, 2015 15:25:45 GMT -8
Irish tax probe would be out soon. Could lead to a decrease of income by as much as 10%. Have AAPL discount this yet? If not, expect a gap down.
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Post by phoebear611 on Oct 5, 2015 16:01:32 GMT -8
Irish tax probe would be out soon. Could lead to a decrease of income by as much as 10%. Have AAPL discount this yet? If not, expect a gap down. But they had also said they would appeal if they were ruled against. This isn't going to be an open and shut case plus it may set a precedent for many other companies that are there as well. I'm not certain that the Irish government treated Apple completely different than it treated other corporates (although not certain). But you're right. Folks will shoot first, ask questions later.
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Post by phoebear611 on Oct 5, 2015 16:56:38 GMT -8
But they had also said they would appeal if they were ruled against. This isn't going to be an open and shut case plus it may set a precedent for many other companies that are there as well. I'm not certain that the Irish government treated Apple completely different than it treated other corporates (although not certain). But you're right. Folks will shoot first, ask questions later. Interesting to note that when this news was announced, AAPL started to sell off on any good news. Don't get me started on a political discussion. Truth is that both sides in Washington KNOW that the rate needs to be brought down and corporates need to have these taxes repatriated in some way or form (holiday or otherwise) and the only damn reason it won't get done now is because each side wants the FULL credit...God help us if any politician ever did something that was the right thing for the nation and it's people.
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Post by Luckychoices on Oct 5, 2015 18:00:08 GMT -8
One Year of Apple Pay: Why Hasn't It Caught On? by Bloomberg's Clueless Adam Satariano
Oct. 5 -- Apple CEO Tim Cook has called 2015 the "year of Apple Pay." So far it’s been underwhelming. The mobile-payments system, which marks its one-year anniversary this month, has failed to catch on with consumers, accounting for only 1 percent of all retail transactions in the U.S., according to researcher Aite Group. Bloomberg's Adam Satariano has more on "Bloomberg West."
Excerpts from the thankfully short video:
...Not a problem unique to Apple. For mobile payments thus far, the hype hasn't really matched up with reality. A big part of it is that taking out a debit card and having it swiped at a Starbucks is not a very difficult thing to do and most people think it's just fine. And so, the idea of taking out a phone, putting a thumb print over the thing, having it work is just kind of a little bit of a cumbersome process.
...... Where it is doing well is when someone is downloading an app or something like that and you can very quickly make a digital purchase. ======== Yes, as one of the very few users of Apple Pay, I must admit that I do have a problem when it comes to taking out my phone and putting a thumb print over the thing. It's just a little bit of a cumbersome process. I have noticed however, that if I'm buying an app or something, I can very quickly make a digital purchase. But as I said, that's only when I'm buying an app. Apple Pay is still a little bit of a cumbersome process.
Can I get a job with Bloomberg now that I've demonstrated that I'm a tool?
Oh, BTW, how much is 1% of all retail transactions in the U.S.?
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Post by artman1033 on Oct 5, 2015 18:53:46 GMT -8
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Post by mace on Oct 5, 2015 21:56:35 GMT -8
...God help us if any politician ever did something that was the right thing for the nation and it's people. Is the nation or people of the nation more important? Is not a rhetorical question.
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