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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 8:09:59 GMT -8
So is the general opinion today's action is a typical weekly OE irritated by the macro news on the cliff talks? Like a previous post I am disappointed we didn't get any traction with the official China announcement. Maybe the official China Mobile announcement will get some (if there is an actual news release that is). Options are driving the bus this week. If they weren't, we'd be above $590 today.
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Post by mbeauch on Nov 30, 2012 8:17:15 GMT -8
OK Apple, enough of the foreplay, time to get some booty shaking going on. We want up you sexy thang. Still waiting on the other shoe. Why do you expect AAPL to move on a Friday with weeklies expiring? I don't see a catalyst releasing the tether. There was a huge number of calls at the 590. That drop to 584 should have made them poop their pants and first chance they get they will bail, I am sure many already have since 25k have already changed hands. The speech is the wild card, but you wanted a catalyst, the China announcement should have been the gas for the fire. Also, you do not believe in the chicken bones & voodoo stuff. ;D
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Post by 4aapl on Nov 30, 2012 8:21:43 GMT -8
So is the general opinion today's action is a typical weekly OE irritated by the macro news on the cliff talks? That's my guess. Last Friday was different, due to the short day, the holidays, and thus the lower volume....so easier to go against the grain (if that's what it did....I don't have an options chain for that day to compare). As for the China announcement, what sometimes happens is that it gets on the front cover of a weekend financial newspaper, and things move on Monday. But like most things, who's to say exactly what and how something moves the stock. It's really all speculation, and often more of an excuse of "the stock did this so it must be from that" in our effort to make sense of everything.
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Post by madmaxroi on Nov 30, 2012 8:29:22 GMT -8
Unfortunately, we are just the tail on the dog or maybe just the flea on the tail.
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Post by mbeauch on Nov 30, 2012 8:35:24 GMT -8
Unfortunately, we are just the tail on the dog or maybe just the flea on the tail. Quiet donkey boy. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 8:54:04 GMT -8
Why do you expect AAPL to move on a Friday with weeklies expiring? I don't see a catalyst releasing the tether. There was a huge number of calls at the 590. That drop to 584 should have made them poop their pants and first chance they get they will bail, I am sure many already have since 25k have already changed hands. The speech is the wild card, but you wanted a catalyst, the China announcement should have been the gas for the fire. Also, you do not believe in the chicken bones & voodoo stuff. ;D The 590 call holders would have been wearing diapers all week don't you think? ;D If a new product launch in China can't vault AAPL past $590, nothing else is going to, including Obama announcing he's turning Republican. You think the $590 call wall isn't there now? Well, we'll see you at session close. I still say AAPL closes $585.01 - $589.99
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Post by bud777 on Nov 30, 2012 8:54:18 GMT -8
Like most of us, I am always on the lookout for a way to make a buck. The recent revelations vis-a-vis Max and the donkey seem to present an opportunity. Does anyone know how to go about blackmailing a donkey?
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Post by mbeauch on Nov 30, 2012 9:00:12 GMT -8
Like most of us, I am always on the lookout for a way to make a buck. The recent revelations vis-a-vis Max and the donkey seem to present an opportunity. Does anyone know how to go about blackmailing a donkey? ROFLMAO! Bud, you made my day.
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Post by greedynoob on Nov 30, 2012 9:02:54 GMT -8
Like most of us, I am always on the lookout for a way to make a buck. The recent revelations vis-a-vis Max and the donkey seem to present an opportunity. Does anyone know how to go about blackmailing a donkey? If we did, do you think Doug Kass would still be shooting off his mouth?
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Post by madmaxroi on Nov 30, 2012 9:04:00 GMT -8
Unfortunately, we are just the tail on the dog or maybe just the flea on the tail. Quiet donkey boy. ;D Nice. Bought any new paper hats lately? Call the close at $584.9999999999999. Aren't weekly options great?
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Post by mbeauch on Nov 30, 2012 9:09:50 GMT -8
Nice. Bought any new paper hats lately? Ahhhh, extortion, great! You can't prove anything. ;D And don't forget that it was you who was pushing to go to Dick's.
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Post by artman1033 on Nov 30, 2012 9:12:43 GMT -8
my call of the close = $582.16
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Post by madmaxroi on Nov 30, 2012 9:16:15 GMT -8
Nice. Bought any new paper hats lately? Ahhhh, extortion, great! You can't prove anything. ;D And don't forget that it was you who was pushing to go to Dick's. I think you have me confused with Chas. ;D
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Post by Ted on Nov 30, 2012 9:19:18 GMT -8
From AppleInsider's article: appleinsider.com/articles/12/11/30/apple-announces-december-launches-of-iphone-5-ipad-mini-in-china"Friday's announcement confirms an earlier report that pegged the iPhone 5 launch for mid-December. This week, Chinese regulators approved WCDMA and CDMA-2000 variants of the iPhone 5, which would be compatible with China Unicom and China Telecom. Apple has not yet built a TD-SCDMA model of the iPhone 5, which would be compatible with China Mobile. Market watchers see a deal with China Mobile as Apple's biggest prize, as the carrier has more than 700 million subscribers, with 75.6 million of those on its high-speed 3G network." So does the new iPhone have China Mobile's TD-SCDMA built in or not? I thought the new Qualcomm chip inside had every flavor on it? Does Apple to have to "build" a special CM model or just upgrade the firmware or what? Any techies have insight here? Gracias.
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Post by bribery on Nov 30, 2012 9:23:04 GMT -8
In my opinion, it is convenient that they don't have (arguably deliberatively?) the TD-SCDMA for CHL, because it lets Apple constrain demand: otherwise they'd run out of supply embarrasingly. There's no way the can provide to the 3 carriers at once. Once they sold the first few batches to half the world, they'll start selling to CHL, ie, the other half of the world
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Post by phoebear611 on Nov 30, 2012 9:24:24 GMT -8
Well Obama's speaking but CNBC isn't carrying it - I'm glad. If they don't broadcast all the posturing maybe there will be less of it. At 12:45 Boehner is speaking - hope they don't televise him either. The media should just black them out....then they will stop doing it. Stop feeding the beast. Everyone back in your rooms - cut the damn deal and let's move on!
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Post by phoebear611 on Nov 30, 2012 9:25:45 GMT -8
From AppleInsider's article: appleinsider.com/articles/12/11/30/apple-announces-december-launches-of-iphone-5-ipad-mini-in-china"Friday's announcement confirms an earlier report that pegged the iPhone 5 launch for mid-December. This week, Chinese regulators approved WCDMA and CDMA-2000 variants of the iPhone 5, which would be compatible with China Unicom and China Telecom. Apple has not yet built a TD-SCDMA model of the iPhone 5, which would be compatible with China Mobile. Market watchers see a deal with China Mobile as Apple's biggest prize, as the carrier has more than 700 million subscribers, with 75.6 million of those on its high-speed 3G network." So does the new iPhone have China Mobile's TD-SCDMA built in or not? I thought the new Qualcomm chip inside had every flavor on it? Does Apple to have to "build" a special CM model or just upgrade the firmware or what? Any techies have insight here? Gracias. Gene Munster said earlier that he doesn't expect China Mobile till late in 2013 - does anyone know if that is the consensus out there?
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Post by mbeauch on Nov 30, 2012 9:33:09 GMT -8
I think SS may have given CM an upfront check to keep Apple out for as long as possible. SS has first mover advantage and the longer they keep Apple out the customers will give up and buy a SS device. If I remember correctly, only one of the China carriers had the iphone 4S for the Chinese new year. This year both will have it.
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Post by aaplexcelsior on Nov 30, 2012 9:54:20 GMT -8
So does the new iPhone have China Mobile's TD-SCDMA built in or not? I thought the new Qualcomm chip inside had every flavor on it? Does Apple to have to "build" a special CM model or just upgrade the firmware or what? Any techies have insight here? Gracias. I am by no means a techie... but I believe that having a cell phone be compatible with a given network involves many different pieces, including the processor, the radio, the radio antenna, etc. So even if the main chip (the Qualcomm bit) is compatible with TD-SCDMA doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the phone is. As for whether it can be done by firmware upgrade or requires an additional model, I'm not sure--but my guess would be a different model, if China Unicom and China Telecom require two different models.
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Post by lance on Nov 30, 2012 9:59:38 GMT -8
gap filler day. That is fine. Still holding the overall positive trend. Just having a couple rest days on the climb back up to the summit of the great stock mountain I call AAPL ip5 Launch. Hopefully we will be making a new summit in the not so distance future say Feb 2013 haha.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 10:27:51 GMT -8
Price action on some of my LEAPS are hardly budging today despite 5-$6 weakness. No sellers. And buyers are being denied Buy-the-Dip opportunity. All of which is bullish.
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Post by rickag on Nov 30, 2012 11:16:06 GMT -8
Volume slow today. Is it buyers waiting for lower prices or sellers waiting for higher prices?
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Post by greedynoob on Nov 30, 2012 11:34:53 GMT -8
From AppleInsider's article: appleinsider.com/articles/12/11/30/apple-announces-december-launches-of-iphone-5-ipad-mini-in-china"Friday's announcement confirms an earlier report that pegged the iPhone 5 launch for mid-December. This week, Chinese regulators approved WCDMA and CDMA-2000 variants of the iPhone 5, which would be compatible with China Unicom and China Telecom. Apple has not yet built a TD-SCDMA model of the iPhone 5, which would be compatible with China Mobile. Market watchers see a deal with China Mobile as Apple's biggest prize, as the carrier has more than 700 million subscribers, with 75.6 million of those on its high-speed 3G network." So does the new iPhone have China Mobile's TD-SCDMA built in or not? I thought the new Qualcomm chip inside had every flavor on it? Does Apple to have to "build" a special CM model or just upgrade the firmware or what? Any techies have insight here? Gracias. I think the 5 does not support TD-SCDMA, but CM has gotten approval to move to 4G LTE and is starting that process.
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Post by phoebear611 on Nov 30, 2012 11:43:45 GMT -8
So I don't know how much of this is old news but it seems that Mansfield sold about $20 mln worth of stock - he will still be getting a boat-load more but Benzinga has an article out there speculating that Mansfield is someone who would know if there was a new product on the horizon and if there wasn't anything coming next year it may be why he sold. Naturally, they have no clue if there was a need for his sale or anything else but they threw out that FUD earlier today. I did not want to post the link - it's stupid.
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Post by moltenfire on Nov 30, 2012 11:49:39 GMT -8
So I don't know how much of this is old news but it seems that Mansfield sold about $20 mln worth of stock - he will still be getting a boat-load more but Benzinga has an article out there speculating that Mansfield is someone who would know if there was a new product on the horizon and if there wasn't anything coming next year it may be why he sold. Naturally, they have no clue if there was a need for his sale or anything else but they threw out that FUD earlier today. I did not want to post the link - it's stupid. I think Benzinga's speculation is unfounded. I thought insiders like Mansfield are supposed to have a blind-trust or a plan of sale filed with the SEC outlining exactly when and how much they will sell in the future. Mansfield can't simply buy or sell AAPL with no advanced notice to the public.
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Post by phoebear611 on Nov 30, 2012 11:54:13 GMT -8
So I don't know how much of this is old news but it seems that Mansfield sold about $20 mln worth of stock - he will still be getting a boat-load more but Benzinga has an article out there speculating that Mansfield is someone who would know if there was a new product on the horizon and if there wasn't anything coming next year it may be why he sold. Naturally, they have no clue if there was a need for his sale or anything else but they threw out that FUD earlier today. I did not want to post the link - it's stupid. I think Benzinga's speculation is unfounded. I thought insiders like Mansfield are supposed to have a blind-trust or a plan of sale filed with the SEC outlining exactly when and how much they will sell in the future. Mansfield can't simply buy or sell AAPL with no advanced notice to the public. Not every affiliate has a blind-trust. They all have to file but the filing comes after the sale not before. Clearly if suddenly something happened at the company that was negative it would raise a red flag but he is not under any obligation to pre-announce his sales. Many affiliates do use blinds trusts so that they don't run into any type of insider problems/issues but you would be surprised at how many do not.
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Post by 4aapl on Nov 30, 2012 12:02:21 GMT -8
So I don't know how much of this is old news but it seems that Mansfield sold about $20 mln worth of stock - he will still be getting a boat-load more He sold 35k shares, but is getting another 150k of shares next year, and then another 150k of shares in 2016, according to the article I read. Personally, I see this as diversifying, but it could also be to beat the escalating taxes. Whether or not the Fed tax rates go up, CA tax rates were voted in to go up. Opps, but if I remember right the CA taxes are retroactive for all of 2012. Anyways, with him getting that many shares, and I think it said he still owns 30k of shares, I don't see it as a problem. Probably just getting some spending money, for a nice house in Cupertino, or a decent one in Los Gatos, Palo Alto, or a down payment on Woodside.
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Post by phoebear611 on Nov 30, 2012 12:05:07 GMT -8
I completely agree - and remember, he was going to retire so the decision could have been made at an earlier point in time. He could also be estate planning - who knows. My point in bringing it up is that they were naturally attempting to spin it as a negative and it's nonsense....but I wanted the thread to be aware that the article existed...because that is how I roll
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Post by phoebear611 on Nov 30, 2012 12:07:27 GMT -8
There is a major re-balancing at the bell that promises to bring a bit of volatility to some names...don't know which ones but be aware of it in case you are trading at the close.
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Post by wheeles on Nov 30, 2012 12:20:21 GMT -8
my call of the close = $582.16 I reckon 579.97 with a possible dip below 579 just prior.
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