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Post by chinacat on Apr 14, 2018 7:38:29 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Apr 14, 2018 8:22:09 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Apr 14, 2018 10:24:45 GMT -8
1992 11 02 Incorporated into Samsung Group 11 25 Changed trade name to "Samsung Securities" 1991 7 01 Changed trade name to "International Securities", initiated stock trading business, opened headquarters and branch in Apgujeong 1988 3 28 Initial public offering (stock market) 1982 9 04 (Han'il Financial Investments) Establishment meeting 10 19 Inaugural meeting, company registration, 20 billion KRW paid for capital
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Post by chinacat on Apr 14, 2018 13:29:54 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Apr 14, 2018 13:43:31 GMT -8
I don't think that I agree with Tony Fadell that The iPhone changed our lives. Now Apple needs to tackle addiction. Whatever usage data they have and can make available may be useful in some way, but my guess is that a very small percentage of the user population would ever even consult it, and even fewer would use it in an attempt to moderate "overuse," whatever that is. As much of a Massachusetts left-winger as I am, I do still believe in personal responsibility.
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Post by Since84 on Apr 15, 2018 2:44:18 GMT -8
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Post by northstar on Apr 15, 2018 8:01:33 GMT -8
I've just bought a 2018 VW and while the technology is amazing, the controls are very frustating... so many menus, accessible only from a certain button press here or there, or a combination of dial twists there or here... not at all intuitive.
I've been reading the (poorly organized and of course, not online or searchable!) printed manual for days and I'm still at a loss how to display some of the information I need. The engineering in the car is beyond reproach but the interface is not friendly.
I can see how much benefit Apple can bring to this interface once it takes on the whole car experience. They don't need to manufacture their own cars, imho, but they could bring a whole world of improvement to every car made by supplying the brains between the driver and the vehicle.
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Post by sponge on Apr 15, 2018 8:07:40 GMT -8
I don't think that I agree with Tony Fadell that The iPhone changed our lives. Now Apple needs to tackle addiction. Whatever usage data they have and can make available may be useful in some way, but my guess is that a very small percentage of the user population would ever even consult it, and even fewer would use it in an attempt to moderate "overuse," whatever that is. As much of a Massachusetts left-winger as I am, I do still believe in personal responsibility. I believe the internet changed society. Apple managed to take two aspects of the internet ( music and browsing ) and sell three vey successful products that kept them from going broke. The original iMac, then the iPod, and of course the iPhone. Most people are glued to the iPhone because they constantly explore or listen to music.
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Post by sponge on Apr 15, 2018 8:11:53 GMT -8
I've just bought a 2018 VW and while the technology is amazing, the controls are very frustating... so many menus, accessible only from a certain button press here or there, or a combination of dial twists there or here... not at all intuitive. I've been reading the (poorly organized and of course, not online or searchable!) printed manual for days and I'm still at a loss how to display some of the information I need. The engineering in the car is beyond reproach but the interface is not friendly. I can see how much benefit Apple can bring to this interface once it takes on the whole car experience. They don't need to manufacture their own cars, imho, but they could bring a whole world of improvement to every car made by supplying the brains between the driver and the vehicle. I have seen the same issue in the Mercedes, Tesla, Toyota, and BMW. If Tesla could get to producing 500k cars a year and lose 60% of its value due to poor execution and lack of capital, then Apple can step in and we will see the next revolution take place.
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Post by bud777 on Apr 15, 2018 10:26:40 GMT -8
I keep waiting for someone to connect the UI of the Infotainment system to the OBD system. Wouldn't it be great to if instead of "check engine" the computer diagnosed the problem, explained it, showed you how to fix it if you wanted to or made the appointment at the repair shop if you didn't? For me, having the OBD linked to a Chilton's manual or the owner's manual would be great. It could even go to You_Tube videos. All the pieces are there, they just need to be put together. And , of course, none of this works when you are driving. How has this not been done already?
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Post by northstar on Apr 15, 2018 11:17:57 GMT -8
If Tesla could get to producing 500k cars a year and lose 60% of its value due to poor execution and lack of capital, then Apple can step in and we will see the next revolution take place. Are you thinking that Apple may invest in Tesla when the price is right?
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Post by sponge on Apr 15, 2018 13:18:31 GMT -8
If Tesla could get to producing 500k cars a year and lose 60% of its value due to poor execution and lack of capital, then Apple can step in and we will see the next revolution take place. Are you thinking that Apple may invest in Tesla when the price is right? Yes I don’t see Apple doing only software for cars. It is not their MO. They need to build the whole car. Tesla seems the natural choice . It may take another 5-7 years however.
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Post by Since84 on Apr 15, 2018 14:07:26 GMT -8
I've just bought a 2018 VW and while the technology is amazing, the controls are very frustating... so many menus, accessible only from a certain button press here or there, or a combination of dial twists there or here... not at all intuitive. I've been reading the (poorly organized and of course, not online or searchable!) printed manual for days and I'm still at a loss how to display some of the information I need. The engineering in the car is beyond reproach but the interface is not friendly. I can see how much benefit Apple can bring to this interface once it takes on the whole car experience. They don't need to manufacture their own cars, imho, but they could bring a whole world of improvement to every car made by supplying the brains between the driver and the vehicle. I have seen the same issue in the Mercedes, Tesla, Toyota, and BMW. If Tesla could get to producing 500k cars a year and lose 60% of its value due to poor execution and lack of capital, then Apple can step in and we will see the next revolution take place. Add Mazda and Subaru to the list.
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Post by benoir on Apr 15, 2018 22:07:05 GMT -8
Are you thinking that Apple may invest in Tesla when the price is right? Yes I don’t see Apple doing only software for cars. It is not their MO. They need to build the whole car. Tesla seems the natural choice . It may take another 5-7 years however. respectfully disagree... - I think Apple could leap frog the mistakes made by Tesla - as they have done in every other product eg iPods - I'm not convinced by what they have to offer - the current offering kinda reminds me of 'smart phones' pre iPhone (the point above) - Tesla and Apple need their respective competition to drive innovation. Apple will do it on their own (with a number of smaller acquisitions) or not at all ...in my armchair opinion.
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Post by gtrplyr on Apr 16, 2018 1:39:37 GMT -8
I've been hoping (and posting) for years that Apple should have tried to buy or work out some kind of partnership with Tesla. Tesla needs only two things .... capital and manufacturing experience which Apple has. Conversely Apple needs entry into the auto market and it's much easier to buy into that market rather than start from scratch. At this point we are not hearing any rumblings regarding an Apple car ... no rumors at all. I'm of the opinion that Apple did look into this and decided it's better to focus on the autopilot system that could be implemented by any car manufacturer instead of an actual car. I couldn't' disagree with Sponge more regarding Tesla ... as Tesla is about to get over the hump with the Model 3. In 6-9 months Tesla could start seeing a profit which will sustain the company while it gets the model Y and semi on the road. Tesla will be well ahead of competition and I think they are about to do to the car industry what Apple did to the phone industry. At this point ... it may be too late for any Apple/Tesla partnership ... which IMHO is a shame because the companies share so much in terms of corporate vision. In all honesty I always thought it was a real long shot .... should be interesting though as the car market seems to be going through the biggest change it's seen since the invention of the car. Cheers to the longs .... AAPL and TSLA !!!!!!! See ... I'm diversified
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Post by benoir on Apr 16, 2018 3:59:28 GMT -8
I've been hoping (and posting) for years that Apple should have tried to buy or work out some kind of partnership with Tesla. Tesla needs only two things .... capital and manufacturing experience which Apple has. Conversely Apple needs entry into the auto market and it's much easier to buy into that market rather than start from scratch. At this point we are not hearing any rumblings regarding an Apple car ... no rumors at all. I'm of the opinion that Apple did look into this and decided it's better to focus on the autopilot system that could be implemented by any car manufacturer instead of an actual car. I couldn't' disagree with Sponge more regarding Tesla ... as Tesla is about to get over the hump with the Model 3. In 6-9 months Tesla could start seeing a profit which will sustain the company while it gets the model Y and semi on the road. Tesla will be well ahead of competition and I think they are about to do to the car industry what Apple did to the phone industry. At this point ... it may be too late for any Apple/Tesla partnership ... which IMHO is a shame because the companies share so much in terms of corporate vision. In all honesty I always thought it was a real long shot .... should be interesting though as the car market seems to be going through the biggest change it's seen since the invention of the car. Cheers to the longs .... AAPL and TSLA !!!!!!! See ... I'm diversified respectfully, I have to disagree with you a little, I see Tesla as RIM, more than Apple. The Blackberry did a lot of things in that section but it was no iPhone. I hope Tesla is successful for the long run but I think if Apple does enter this market is will be with a game changer. Far better for these two companies to be separate, I agree. The competition between these two will drive innovation. Also I don’t believe Elon would ever sit comfortably in Apple culture. He has an audacious dynamic that is his own and that surely has been a driving force behind his success thus far. ...but well done for investing when you did
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Post by gtrplyr on Apr 16, 2018 5:29:34 GMT -8
Well, if it's more like RIM the trick for me will be knowing when to get out . I'l ask this : Have you actually seen a Model 3 firsthand ? I've not driven one but I have sat in one a couple of times and it's a pretty revolutionary car. And 400,000+ (including me) People have put $1,000 down already on a car that they haven't actually seen in person or driven ... I'd call that a game changer.
It's going to be very interesting in the next few years ... plenty of room for many winners in that market. Not sure what Apple's strategy is but hopefully they have one.
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Post by benoir on Apr 16, 2018 6:27:32 GMT -8
Well, no. I haven’t seen one. (The Antipodes is a long was from anywhere) It is my armchair opinion, so I can postulate and pontificate from the basis of gut feel. RIM was the game but Apple became the game changer. In the same way Tesla is the game but if Apple enters then surely it’s only going to do so in the same way it has entered other markets. The auto market is big and there is plenty of room for the BMW’s of the world. I think the future mode of ownership could be paradigm shifting. So, say, an auto manufacturer with a robust autopilot system tied into an Uber-esq style system could be interesting.
Tesla has fingers in a few pies. What they did in South Australia’s energy market was a game changer. If they survive the current financial challenge I suspect they will be around for some time.
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Post by incorrigible on Apr 16, 2018 8:11:38 GMT -8
Well, no. I haven’t seen one. (The Antipodes is a long was from anywhere) It is my armchair opinion, so I can postulate and pontificate from the basis of gut feel. RIM was the game but Apple became the game changer. In the same way Tesla is the game but if Apple enters then surely it’s only going to do so in the same way it has entered other markets. The auto market is big and there is plenty of room for the BMW’s of the world. I think the future mode of ownership could be paradigm shifting. So, say, an auto manufacturer with a robust autopilot system tied into an Uber-esq style system could be interesting. Tesla has fingers in a few pies. What they did in South Australia’s energy market was a game changer. If they survive the current financial challenge I suspect they will be around for some time. IMO, Tesla's best chance to really be financially successful is to focus more on their solar roofing tile system. Since it replaces the actual roof and doesn't sit on top of an existing roof, it's a much more economical solution when the roof needs to be replaced anyway (or installed on a new home). I haven't heard anything near what I expected to on this. Maybe there are issues I'm unaware of.
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