Since84
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Post by Since84 on Dec 22, 2018 9:44:51 GMT -8
Are we at / near the bottom yet? *** I'm going to enter dangerous water here. Apologies in advance if you feel this should be in the dungeon. I approach this from the perspective of the impact on Apple of its decisions. I am what many refer to as a 'free speech absolutist'. That is, there is nothing I would preclude from being said. We can discuss the philosophical merits at length but it essentially boils down to there is no one, including myself, I would trust with the power to censor what others can hear, say or discuss. For me that includes corporations. Especially the big ones. Even more so, the biggest ones. Who do you trust to decide what you can hear, say or discuss? The reason I bring this up here is because Patreon is imploding due to their decision to drop Carl Benjamin, known online as Sargon of Akkad. Whether one likes, dislikes or has even heard of Sargon, this decision has sparked an exodus from the Patreon platform. So how does this relate to Apple? Apple is frequently mentioned as an example of a corporation censoring speech. Tim's recent speech at the ADL is often sighted as an example. For example, mlchristiansen has APPLE CEO ACCEPTS ADL AWARD FOR CENSORING ALEX JONES | ‘COURAGE AGAINST HATE’. He has good points. At what point does this impact Apple, and how severe will that impact be? Markets do vote with their feet. What are your thoughts?
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Post by sponge on Dec 22, 2018 10:09:40 GMT -8
I don’t think it impacts Apple that much. Yes some of us conservatives may be upset with TC but in the end we will still buy Apple products and invest the company.
I think TC is just an activist CEO who happens to enjoy listening to himself express liberal points of view. Many recognize his hypocrisy in how he treats China vs US which diminishes his credibility on the subject of free speech.
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Post by chinacat on Dec 22, 2018 16:02:57 GMT -8
I don’t think it impacts Apple that much. Yes some of us conservatives may be upset with TC but in the end we will still buy Apple products and invest the company. I think TC is just an activist CEO who happens to enjoy listening to himself express liberal points of view. Many recognize his hypocrisy in how he treats China vs US which diminishes his credibility on the subject of free speech. At the risk of starting a Dungeon-worthy discussion... I think that Tim sometimes, and perhaps in the China case you cite, finds himself with the choice between what is best for Apple, the corporation of which he is chief executive, and his own personal political/moral views. You may view it as hypocrisy; as a liberal-minded stockholder (I don't think that's news to anyone here) I think that he has done a good job balancing those sometimes competing obligations. Obviously, others sometimes disagree, but when AAPL is booming, I don't think that either side of the political divide thinks it is as important as their own self-interest. YMMV
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