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Post by longsince98 on Apr 30, 2019 21:01:14 GMT -8
But it won’t last unless they grow their base. From the earnings report: “Active installed base of iPhone reached a new all-time high at the end of March” 🙄 You may not need permission from the board, but to those of us who follow closely, your agenda is very obvious... and exhausting.
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Post by mercel on Apr 30, 2019 21:08:16 GMT -8
The stock climbs $10 in the AH and people are bitching about dimes missing from divvy?
Cry me a F’ing river. Talk about missing the forest for the trees.
Sponge. Invest in Apple and get your yourself an early retirement. Lol
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Post by walterwhite on Apr 30, 2019 21:59:56 GMT -8
Will start buying puts next week and maybe even by Friday. May and June OI is growing in the 185 area.
nice... backup the truck dude... lol.
how are your $140 june puts doing? i'm guessing evaporated? total loss of capital? way to shoot oneself in the foot geez
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Post by sponge on Apr 30, 2019 22:17:05 GMT -8
But it won’t last unless they grow their base. From the earnings report: “Active installed base of iPhone reached a new all-time high at the end of March” 🙄 You may not need permission from the board, but to those of us who follow closely, your agenda is very obvious... and exhausting. Without numbers they could have increased by 10 people. Just look at iPhone revenue and growth of services and wearables. Facts count.
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Post by sponge on Apr 30, 2019 22:22:12 GMT -8
Will start buying puts next week and maybe even by Friday. May and June OI is growing in the 185 area. nice... backup the truck dude... lol.
how are your $140 june puts doing? i'm guessing evaporated? total loss of capital? way to shoot oneself in the foot geez
I play with house money and small amount for that lot. Still in cash. I knew those would not do well when it became clear Trump is all talk and caved on China deal. May still recover by end of May. I find it interesting you guys keep tack of my trades but can’t see bad earnings numbers for the last 7 months.😳
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Post by longsince98 on Apr 30, 2019 22:24:03 GMT -8
The stock climbs $10 in the AH and people are bitching about dimes missing from divvy? Cry me a F’ing river. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Sponge. Invest in Apple and get your yourself an early retirement. Lol I’ve been holding my tongue. But this exactly. Apple ranks near the top amongst companies that have a strong long term plan. While I don’t have faith in Cook as a product visionary, that was yesterday’s playbook - and Cook is proving exceptional at playing 3D chess with the amazing pieces Jobs left him. Instead of simply growing the largest platform in the world along the obvious but limited path, he’s using their core advantages and expanding the platform along multiple verticals - ones that people aren’t recognizing yet. He’s planting seeds for what will soon be a forest. The stock has another triple in under a decade. Ive been in AAPL for over 20 years and have never been more confident in their upcoming decade, despite not expecting the same growth of their past decade.
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Post by audiosculpture12 on Apr 30, 2019 23:44:19 GMT -8
The stock climbs $10 in the AH and people are bitching about dimes missing from divvy? Cry me a F’ing river. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. ☝️☝️☝️ Sponge. Invest in Apple and get your yourself an early retirement. Lol I’ve been holding my tongue. But this exactly. Apple ranks near the top amongst companies that have a strong long term plan. While I don’t have faith in Cook as a product visionary, that was yesterday’s playbook - and Cook is proving exceptional at playing 3D chess with the amazing pieces Jobs left him. Instead of simply growing the largest platform in the world along the obvious but limited path, he’s using their core advantages and expanding the platform along multiple verticals - ones that people aren’t recognizing yet. He’s planting seeds for what will soon be a forest. The stock has another triple in under a decade. Ive been in AAPL for over 20 years and have never been more confident in their upcoming decade, despite not expecting the same growth of their past decade. 👍
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Post by incorrigible on May 1, 2019 5:14:04 GMT -8
The stock climbs $10 in the AH and people are bitching about dimes missing from divvy? Cry me a F’ing river. Talk about missing the forest for the trees. Investing is not just about share price and capital appreciation. For some of us it's about a stable and growing income stream from holding our investments. Is share price all that matters to you? For me the share price drop from $220+ to the $140 level was concerning, however, I wasn't pulling my hair out like some here. The market controls share price, not Apple and surely not me. Apple controls the dividend payments. These payments, while paltry to some, impose limits on stock price volatility by reducing short selling and helping folks like me sit back and wait for the market to value the company rationally. To each his own. We all have out reasons for investing. There is absolutely no reason for Apple to keep $100+ billion net cash on their books. None. As JD states, it's not Tim Cook's money or Apple's money. It's the shareholders money. [/rant]
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Post by mercel on May 1, 2019 6:02:17 GMT -8
Either you trust Apple with the cash or you don’t. If you have perfect inside information and why Tim should be increasing the divvy, please share.
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Post by Ted on May 1, 2019 6:19:30 GMT -8
Either you trust Apple with the cash or you don’t. If you have perfect inside information and why Tim should be increasing the divvy, please share. You need to come by more often, Mercel.
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Post by eastbaybob on May 1, 2019 9:20:20 GMT -8
I, for one, am disappointed in the divy. Some of us actually like to spend real money instead of counting unrealized gains all our lives. It's our fucking money, and Tim spends it like a drunken sailor on shore leave, until it's time to return it to the people who own the company. I'm really starting to hate the guy. I also find it scary from a health of the company perspective that they've cut the rate of divy increase. I don't know how that can be considered good news for their views of long term revenue growth. Cheers to the longs. I am with JD on the dividend. I had thought that the main point of the buybacks was to decrease share count so that Apple would be able to keep raising the dividend or at least maintain a 10% dividend. I don't really see any point to the buyback then. Apple dropped from the $230's to the 140's. Where was the floor that the buy backs were supposed to support. I am almost 67 and retired. The dividends support my retirement and I have been counting on 10% increases which would allow my wife to retire early. Looks like with 5% increases no early retirement for her. It's great to see the price go up but as JD put it, "it's all unrealized gains." When Apple dropped from $234 to $140's it showed that unrealized gains can quickly evaporate. I don't want to have to sell shares to maintain the lifestyle that the 10% a year dividends gave me. I am hoping that Tim and Company do have a solid reason for the paltry increase
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Post by mark on May 1, 2019 9:34:36 GMT -8
What scares me is the thought that they are conserving cash for something. Didn't they report buying back $27B of stock? Doesn't look they are "conserving cash", not to mention that they already have PLENTY of cash. I agree. None of the discussed ones (Netflix, Tesla, Disney, etc) appeal to me right now. The only acquisition I strongly urged was Waze back before Google snapped it up. Obviously they didn't agree with me.
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Post by mercel on May 1, 2019 22:15:09 GMT -8
Either you trust Apple with the cash or you don’t. If you have perfect inside information and why Tim should be increasing the divvy, please share. You need to come by more often, Mercel. Thanks, Ted. For the longest time, it wasn’t possible to re-register. I see that AFB regained the reigns from Lovey. Anyway, cheers to the longs. It’s been a wild ride from December.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 8:12:04 GMT -8
Everyone has different needs. The average price still went up 40%. My first iPad was $600 now it is $900 if I want what was the best in 2012. You say everyone has different needs, but you project your perceived needs onto others in assuming they'll want "the best", where that means top of the line. In most of the civilized world, people think a tiered product line is how to account for everyone having different needs. Your worry over the ASP is a silly pretext to try to reprise the old canard about Apple being too expensive. You don't seem to see how conflicted your view is.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 8:23:33 GMT -8
I am with JD on the dividend. I had thought that the main point of the buybacks was to decrease share count so that Apple would be able to keep raising the dividend or at least maintain a 10% dividend. I don't really see any point to the buyback then. Apple dropped from the $230's to the 140's. Where was the floor that the buy backs were supposed to support. I am almost 67 and retired. The dividends support my retirement and I have been counting on 10% increases which would allow my wife to retire early. Looks like with 5% increases no early retirement for her. It's great to see the price go up but as JD put it, "it's all unrealized gains." When Apple dropped from $234 to $140's it showed that unrealized gains can quickly evaporate. I don't want to have to sell shares to maintain the lifestyle that the 10% a year dividends gave me. I am hoping that Tim and Company do have a solid reason for the paltry increase As investors we should be able to see more than one side of this. I get what you're saying. It all depends on your personal situation. But surely you must realize that if Apple had only raised it10% last year instead of 16%, and made it 10% last year and this year, no one would be talking about this. And I'm guessing you wouldn't be disappointed now. I do fault Apple for the 16% raise last year, because it was over their announced benchmark (IIRC) and it raised expectations, and also because it's natural for people to think going over is permissible but going under not. But I don't fault them for the 5% this year.
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Post by eastbaybob on May 2, 2019 9:39:38 GMT -8
I am with JD on the dividend. I had thought that the main point of the buybacks was to decrease share count so that Apple would be able to keep raising the dividend or at least maintain a 10% dividend. I don't really see any point to the buyback then. Apple dropped from the $230's to the 140's. Where was the floor that the buy backs were supposed to support. I am almost 67 and retired. The dividends support my retirement and I have been counting on 10% increases which would allow my wife to retire early. Looks like with 5% increases no early retirement for her. It's great to see the price go up but as JD put it, "it's all unrealized gains." When Apple dropped from $234 to $140's it showed that unrealized gains can quickly evaporate. I don't want to have to sell shares to maintain the lifestyle that the 10% a year dividends gave me. I am hoping that Tim and Company do have a solid reason for the paltry increase As investors we should be able to see more than one side of this. I get what you're saying. It all depends on your personal situation. But surely you must realize that if Apple had only raised it10% last year instead of 16%, and made it 10% last year and this year, no one would be talking about this. And I'm guessing you wouldn't be disappointed now. I do fault Apple for the 16% raise last year, because it was over their announced benchmark (IIRC) and it raised expectations, and also because it's natural for people to think going over is permissible but going under not. But I don't fault them for the 5% this year. Yes you are right. Unreasonable expectations for sure. I'm sure I'm wrong about buybacks, but I just don't see the point when the stock can go from $234 to the low $140's in a matter of a few months. I see the dividends as money in my pocket to fund my retirement etc. without selling shares. Right now I am having a very expensive home theater system installed thanks to dividends. If I had to sell shares to pay for it I would not have done it. I know buybacks are so supposed to be tax efficient and I pay a lot in taxes. If I sold shares I would be paying taxes so I don't see the tax efficiency. I really thought the lower share count would mean 10% increases every year but I see that I was wrong about that
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