"Tytler said the cycle starts out with a society in bondage. Then it goes in this sequence: Bondage Spiritual Faith Courage Liberty Abundance Selfishness Complacency Apathy Dependence Then starting over with Bondage"
Anyone want to guess where we are in this cycle today?
Selfishness for sure. Probably will not get any better from here. I like the full quote from Tyler's Progression-----what I have always called it or the Fatal Sequence-----I think it gives the quote more explanation into why Democracies might fail. We may last longer because we are a Constitutional Republic rather than a pure Democracy, we will see, or someone will see, I guess, at some point. I think we are nearer the end of the progression rather than the beginning.
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” ― Alexander Fraser Tytler
One of the most sought after quotes there is, I believe. The strange truth is it cannot be definitely attributed to Tytler, or to any one person for that matter. The sequence and its preface seem to be the words of at least two different men which have been manufactured into the "fatal sequence". Here is a guy who has researched it pretty well and lays out some of its often incorrect attributions. I include this speech, that the site references as well, that uses the "sequence" to make his point.
In a speech entitled "Industrial Management in a Republic," delivered in the grand ballroom of the Waldorf Astoria at New York during the 250th meeting of the National Conference Board on March 18, 1943, Prentis had this to say about Paradoxically enough, the release of initiative and enterprise made possible by popular self-government ultimately generates disintegrating forces from within. Again and again after freedom has brought opportunity and some degree of plenty, the competent become selfish, luxury-loving and complacent, the incompetent and the unfortunate grow envious and covetous, and all three groups turn aside from the hard road of freedom to worship the Golden Calf of economic security. The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more. At the stage between apathy and dependency, men always turn in fear to economic and political panaceas. New conditions, it is claimed, require new remedies. Under such circumstances, the competent citizen is certainly not a fool if he insists upon using the compass of history when forced to sail uncharted seas. Usually so-called new remedies are not new at all. Compulsoryplanned economy, for example, was tried by the Chinese some three milleniums ago, and by the Romans in the early centuries of the Christian era. It was applied in Germany, Italy and Russia long before the present war broke out. Yet it is being seriously advocated today as a solution of our economic problems in the United States. Its proponents confidently assert that government can successfully plan and control all major business activity in the nation, and still not interfere with our political freedom and our hard-won civil and religious liberties. The lessons of history all point in exactly the reverse direction. - Henning W. Prentis, Industrial Management in a Republic, p. 22
Radio commentator, Paul Harvey, in 1965 gave a warning to America. "We Were Warned: Freedom to Chains" A prediction made 54 years ago that is developing right before our eyes today. Even more saddening on this the day that our nation commemorates those who died on D-Day fighting and dying for our nations and Europes freedom. I can only imagine the confusion and pain many of those veterans that are still with us must feel as they look at our nation today, thinking of their friends and comrades that gave it all, to see what the nation and the world has become. Major cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago and Seattle that have become cesspools of disease and crime overrun with the homeless and violent gangs.
Ray DiLorenzo image By —— Bio and Archives--October 19, 2019
How To Start A Civil WarThe Democrat Party has made a fateful decision. They’ve decided to safeguard all that is left of their power and the progressive movement they have worshiped at the cost of the existence of the nation they have sworn an oath to preserve.
The Democrats, after 160 years, have once again resolved that they will not accept the election of a president decided by a legal and Constitutional process. Their crusade to oust our president started in 2016 and will probably climax in 2020. This time they will not accept separation, only control…a true civil war!
Sixties flower children finally took over the Democrat Party, they sought not to create a more perfect union, but to destroy it
Many of us saw that it would eventually come to this. And it is now here. The party of love and peace is now the party of war, hate, conformity and subservience. If you wear a MAGA hat, they no longer accord you a flower, but deliver spittle. If Trump removes troops from zones of endless warfare between followers of the ‘religion of peace’, they no longer applaud, but show contempt. Endless wars serve their purpose. MAGA hats do not. If you speak out against their narrative, they attempt to shut you down. To them, the Constitution is a constant irritant.
A rock musician of the sixties put it well. “In the sixties, we thought we could change the world. In the seventies, we found we couldn’t even change ourselves, so we went for the money.”
The money has now found a voracious partner…power.
When the sixties flower children finally took over the Democrat Party, the intention, as it turned out, was never to offer a solution to our social and domestic problems, but to destroy everything in their path to show and ‘prove’ to the world that our system does not work. They sought not to create a more perfect union, but to destroy it. In other words, establish change by creating chaos, blame others, and then demand a solution that they will dictate.
Almost every major city run by Democrats is in shambles either by crime or blight, or both
Almost every major city run by Democrats is in shambles either by crime or blight, or both. Our culture has deteriorated to a point where nearly every form of degeneracy is now considered normal and healthy. Our Judeo-Christian culture is looked upon with disfavor and secular, godless humanism with approval. Unchecked, uncontrolled migration has given us disease, crime, near bankrupt cities, voter fraud in the millions, terrorists waiting for orders, and a dilution of our culture only a sinister group could have thought of.
The news corporations no longer deliver news, but pure propaganda. They have abandoned their charge, taken sides and are determined to see the nation’s transformation to its conclusion.
With the help of Marxist teachers and educators, our education system is now more reminiscent of re-education camps than centers of learning. It has become so widespread that most children leave home as innocent models of their parents’ values and return as belligerent little know-it-alls that defy every decent ethic they were taught at home. When asked a question they drone out lines of prepared elocution.
Do not be deceived, they are not being taught Progressivism, or Democratic Socialism, and certainly not traditional liberalism. They are being taught full-on Marxist Communism with a Fascist twist.
When President Trump wins re-election, I predict the Left will go totally unhinged
The big question is…now what? The Democrats know they have a very slim chance of winning in 2020, so they and their partners in the media are pulling out all the stops. They will destroy this president any way they can. Trump is right, they don’t want him, they want us, and he is in the way.
When President Trump wins re-election, I predict the Left will go totally unhinged. They will neither accept it nor allow it. It will make no difference if Trump should win the popular vote. If Trump wins only the Electoral College, there will be an outrage heard round the world and…There Will Be Blood, especially in the big Democrat cities. They will run rough shod, destroying everything they can find. The media will feed the violence and continue their narrative that the racist has again won the White House, their rampage justified.
Antifa will use the election as a call to arms…literally. They have spent several years probing on what they can get away with, and it has been considerable.
Preserve the Union against a demonic domestic enemy long asking for their comeuppance
If Trump should lose, the Right will never believe that he lost fair and square. A strong suspicion of voter fraud and corruption will take hold, feeding millions with a sense of finally needing to preserve the Union against a demonic domestic enemy long asking for their comeuppance. Their patience at an end. Every action will be met with at least an equal reaction. It could easily snowball to what I fear to predict.
If, before the elections, the Barr and Durham investigations show what many suspect, an attempted coup, organized by the FBI, intelligence services, and others from the highest levels of government, the indictments will begin descending. The initial silence from these politician/deep-state-criminals will be deafening. The next sounds heard will either be the reading of their rights, the he-made-me-do-it finger pointing, or the quick glancing toward their blind, ignorant, well-indoctrinated followers the order…Charge! We pray everyone will come to their senses.
When there is nothing left to talk about, it becomes a case of doing rather than saying.
Ray DiLorenzo is a career pilot having retired after 22 years as a contract fire pilot with the California Department of Forestry (Cal-Fire). He is presently affiliated with Stand Up America founded by Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely (Ret).
mercel: It's been a long strange trip - good to see you're still around (and in AAPL -my assumption).
May 10, 2019 12:48:32 GMT -5
Zeke: Long time no see. Nice to see familiar names still here.
Mar 25, 2019 14:42:52 GMT -5
sponge: Regarding the future of VR, I think it will be huge. I was a gamer when I was in college. But as an adult I lost interest. Last fall I flew up to visit my son at college and check out his new Vive set up. After playing with it for the weekend, I was
Apr 29, 2018 15:25:17 GMT -5
galleybob: thanks for your answer. I will copy and send to her
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rickag: So since Jan 28th 2015 AAPL is up from 117.27 to 157.21
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artman1033: VXAPL = 29.21 AAPL = $117.27 AFTER EARNINGS
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artman1033: VXAPL = 44.94 AAPL = $110.39 BEFORE EARNINGS
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