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Post by chinacat on Oct 10, 2019 5:25:19 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Oct 10, 2019 5:42:26 GMT -8
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Post by benoir on Oct 10, 2019 6:03:40 GMT -8
Almost time to wheel out artman
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Post by walterwhite on Oct 10, 2019 6:16:07 GMT -8
Almost time to wheel out artman
don't jinx it pls... it was almost time on mon too
we're a tweet away from ath, but also a tweet away from -5%
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Post by benoir on Oct 10, 2019 6:29:18 GMT -8
But the tweets are just garbled noise... if you are long enough. I suspect Apple is there for the long haul and so am I.
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Post by walterwhite on Oct 10, 2019 6:46:13 GMT -8
But the tweets are just garbled noise... if you are long enough. I suspect Apple is there for the long haul and so am I.
fair enough... though then why bother posting about ATHs, let alone get excited about hypothetical ATHs that haven't come...
i do swing trade though, so for me the 'garbled noise' is highly relevant... i've been waiting for ATHs since early may, then got tired of waiting and started making $$ on swing trades
i do like how aapl has been trading relative to the market in the past couple of weeks!
cheers to the longs
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Post by socal Film Composer on Oct 10, 2019 7:13:58 GMT -8
Congrats Longs
Not going to spike the football - the past 12 months a wild ride for us all. I will say I think we fared peak iPhone, and a trade war very well. The excitement we see in the stock is driven by fundamentals, and wall street finally waking up to the vault and future - growing services, well selling hardware, and expectation of even more hardware in 2020.
Will be interesting to see how we react to earnings.
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Post by dreamRaj on Oct 10, 2019 7:40:25 GMT -8
Almost time to wheel out artman don't jinx it pls... it was almost time on mon too we're a tweet away from ath, but also a tweet away from -5%
Hopefully it should be the former, at least for a frikin' change. ATH and well beyond! That tweet will most likely come in the evening after the meeting is concluded with, or without, concrete deals. Today's AH session will be interesting.
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Post by lulli on Oct 10, 2019 7:48:11 GMT -8
I suspect that there might be some insider trading towards the end of the day originating from "people with access to information", people who know about how the trade talks are going or know how the originator of the tweets is feeling. I'll try to be careful about that and put some tight stops on the swing trades in the early afternoon....
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Post by ems on Oct 10, 2019 7:56:00 GMT -8
They (HK folks) could easily work around the banned app if they wanted to, either via jailbreaking or sideloading it.
The fact we are near ATH with the complete shitshow in DC going on is testament to the strength of AAPL I think. We'd probably be at $275+ now if the last few years had been normal and not the atrocity of nonsense that we've had to endure.
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Post by walterwhite on Oct 10, 2019 7:58:45 GMT -8
don't jinx it pls... it was almost time on mon too we're a tweet away from ath, but also a tweet away from -5%
Hopefully it should be the former, at least for a frikin' change. ATH and well beyond! That tweet will most likely come in the evening after the meeting is concluded with, or without, concrete deals. Today's AH session will be interesting.
yup, hoping for 'ATH AH' tomorrow
i did take some swing trades off the table here at $130.30 (calls purchased on dips in the past few weeks)... raising some cash for the non-zero possibility of a negative outcome / 'bad' tweetstorm... basically to have some $$ to BTFD if needed
like you, i'm still hoping for (and betting on) a positive outcome though... both long-term aapl core holding *and* a large chunk of a big swing trade from $150s (which i call the 'sponge trade' since i got it when sponge was saying $120 by june, and i thought it would be more like $220 by june )
cheers (and good luck) to the longs - interesting 30 hours coming up
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Post by walterwhite on Oct 10, 2019 8:08:56 GMT -8
socal Film Composer... i agree with your points on fundamentals despite iphone and trade war, and relatively bullish on earnings call lulli... you're spot on, i wouldn't 'swing trade' the trade talks specifically... which means NO weekly or next-week options... my swing trades on aapl have been using further out calls ems... agree 100% on aapl strength in the face of botched trade war... i've been saying it since may/june that aapl would have been at ATHs then (and sure, why not 275 today though perhaps more like 250-260 imho)... but useless to lament, so i keep rooting for aapl, swing trade the bs when i can and calling out trump on all the sh*tfu*kery i would consider a close above $230 today an incredible win... cheers to the longs!
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Post by dreamRaj on Oct 10, 2019 9:41:48 GMT -8
Yes, we'd be up there around 275-300 had this trade war not happened, but OTOH, gotta give it to DJT. His power/ability/rhetoric/tactics/madness/whatever that has made the Chinese to somewhat bend down and come here to strike a deal is something one can't ignore or dismiss. If this does work out in America's favor, he'll be a hero. Until, of course, he comes up --and we know he will-- with another war which is "easy to win".
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 10, 2019 10:11:50 GMT -8
Well, I just wish we could all be adults about China, instead of tossing about simple-minded, intellectually dishonest political gotchas. And I am accusing both sides here. Democrats used to claim to hate China for its record on civil rights and job outsourcing. Then Trump became president and the childish Democrats will oppose whatever he does (including extricating us from endless wars they used to oppose). On the other side, the DC Swamp Right™ attacked Trump this week for congratulating Xi on the 70th anniversary of the Repression, er, Revolution. The guy everyone likes to attack as being coarse and uncivil is now getting slammed for speaking diplomatically (in 1972, Nixon congratulated Mao on reshaping Chinese society; didn't make Dick weak on Commies). Obviously you can be both a tough negotiator and not pointlessly insult your opponent, and allow him him save face. And the attacks by the erstwhile Never Trumper right (the National Review toads, inter alia) on American companies trading with China are somewhat childish. It's more schadenfreude towards supposedly pious, socially conscious companies viewed as anti-Republican (e.g., NBA, Apple) than conviction. But I do have to confess I am enjoying the virue-signaling NBA getting slam dunked for its hypocrisy. They boycotted North Carolina for "misgendering" bathrooms, and millionaire players - most of whom would be janitors if they were born in other countries - pose like they are Rosa Parks when they kneel during our national anthem because of our supposed anti-black justice system (nonsense, as far more white people are shot by police than black people), but are silent cowards on China disappearing protestors and throwing all kinds of non-normals into reeducation camps. I am particularly enjoying the usually loudmouthed libtards Steve Durr Hurr and Greg Pockmarkedvich looking like deer caught in headlights as the NBA throws fans out of arenas for wearing "Free Hong Kong" shirts. Democracy dies in NBA merchandise sales. The truth is, China is both a partner and an opponent. Our economy is inextricably linked to theirs. We are each other's largest markets. But our systems are ideologically opposed. We must live with each other, and complaining that companies do biz with China when our official government policy is to borrow money from them is silly. Nixonian engagement.
Xi and his lackeys are serious adults who are watching our political system on cable and thinking we are the opposite; you can't complain about Trump's tweets and then ignore the fact that the Democrats are undermining our trade negotiations by trying to effect a coup on the elected president. Just like Watergate killed Nixon's Vietnam negotiations. AFB denizens, are you a serious person and investor, or are you just a naked, irrational, political savage?
Say what you want about Trump's tweets, but I guranfoockingtee you when DJT told Nancy Pelosi to pound sand on her coup attempt, the Chinese took that very seriously. "OK, Trump has brass balls. Proceed accordingly." Mad Bomber 2.0 In conclusion, I can have an adult view on China (I think all Commies should be thrown out of helicopters, but it is nonetheless in our interest to trade with them when there are a billion of them and they have nukes aimed at us) while simultaneously rolling my eyes at professional virtue signalers like Tim "Apple Values" Cook kowtowing to Chinese censorship and repression. How's that multiculturalism working out for you?
Cheers to the longs.
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Post by chinacat on Oct 10, 2019 10:41:24 GMT -8
OK, JD, don’t say that I never admit when I am wrong, but as usual you never pass up an opportunity to expand a specific topic into a general screed. Meanwhile...(doing my best Stephen Colbert imitation) Forbes has How Apple Stock Has Doubled Despite Falling iPhone Shipments, which is perhaps of more interest to those who come to the AAPL Finance Board.
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Post by lulli on Oct 10, 2019 10:55:22 GMT -8
Oh well American libs, just remember who has all the guns before you launch that civil war. This is inappropriate and, I dare say, stupid. JD, you are rational. I would like to ask you to refrain from such things, and to keep the discussion going on a higher plane. thanks.
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Post by benoir on Oct 10, 2019 11:05:55 GMT -8
But the tweets are just garbled noise... if you are long enough. I suspect Apple is there for the long haul and so am I. fair enough... though then why bother posting about ATHs, let alone get excited about hypothetical ATHs that haven't come...
i do swing trade though, so for me the 'garbled noise' is highly relevant... i've been waiting for ATHs since early may, then got tired of waiting and started making $$ on swing trades i do like how aapl has been trading relative to the market in the past couple of weeks! cheers to the longs
Walter, I pretty sure you, yourself, are looking for reliable signals amongst the background, that includes nonsensical ramblings, when you trade. The brevity of my post and therefore my failure to clearly convey what I was trying to articulate perhaps only highlights how inappropriate a platform Twitter is as a means of communication for governance - which has only served to create volatility in the market/world. Only a twit would make Tweeting the primary means of communication. It is somewhat irrational to get excited about ATH’s or trillion dollar market caps I do agree... but I can’t help myself 🤪. Personally I like this board for the, generally, informed commentary which is sentiment coloured both positive and negative. I find sentiment over the course of time to be a better barometer for the medium term rather than one off covfefe or Pinocchio tweets that only serve to create chaos. I am a simple buy and hold type and gauging sentiment has helped me make entry points over the last 19 years. Hopefully it will also assist with timing exits. Although I also have to consider exchange rates. Cheers to the longs(and swing traders)
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Post by zzmac on Oct 10, 2019 11:36:00 GMT -8
JD said: The truth is, China is both a partner and an opponent. Our economy is inextricably linked to theirs. We are each other's largest markets. But our systems are ideologically opposed. We must live with each other, and complaining that companies do biz with China when our official government policy is to borrow money from them is silly. Nixonian engagement.
Canada is USA's largest trading partner. :-)
Cheers to the longs!
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 10, 2019 12:08:19 GMT -8
JD said: The truth is, China is both a partner and an opponent. Our economy is inextricably linked to theirs. We are each other's largest markets. But our systems are ideologically opposed. We must live with each other, and complaining that companies do biz with China when our official government policy is to borrow money from them is silly. Nixonian engagement. Canada is USA's largest trading partner. :-) Cheers to the longs! I guess if we want to nitpick I should have said potential market, as in aspirational. But how much trade we do with a country doesn't dictate how big that market is, right? If I buy all my groceries from a local mom and pop store, and just buy my toilet paper at Target, Target is the biggest market, right? China's GDP is almost 10X that of Canada. And that is why we must deal with China. As in, you know, art of the deal?
It is interesting that the same Apple standing up to the FBI on privacy is essentially forced to pull Chinese freedom apps. Hmm, maybe free market republican (small "r") economies are more responsive to human rights than centrally planned Communist ones.
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Post by duckpins on Oct 10, 2019 12:14:21 GMT -8
It is a fantasy to believe " But our systems are ideologically opposed." Fascism and capitalism are parallel lines. Mussilini observed this and made a point of it. The Oligarchs had no problems with Hitler (Koch, Linberg and JP Morgan to name a few) while the liberals figuratively and literally led the charge to WWII. Our last righteous war. When one talks about Apple that is one thing we agree mostly on, but understanding history is a much longer discussion. Best to avoid simple statements. How did slavery work with capitalism? You see freedom which the right says they worship has nothing to do with the economics of capitalism. AND free enterprise and capitalism are completely different. You have free enterprise anywhere democratic socialism is but less capitalism. Capitalism is sitting by the pool and cashing the checks and not paying any income tax. Billionaires now officially according to studies pay tax at a lower rate than the middle class. That is capitalism gone nuts.
Apple going to new high now is very positive. Other stocks to look at are RIO. Great dividend and thoughtful managers. Getting rid of the fossil fuel mines. OLED the future of light with a good business model where they have patents and collect money on research. OLED is going to be in cars soon. Market is expanding geometrically.
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Post by walterwhite on Oct 10, 2019 12:22:45 GMT -8
OK, JD, don’t say that I never admit when I am wrong, but as usual you never pass up an opportunity to expand a specific topic into a general screed. Meanwhile...(doing my best Stephen Colbert imitation) Forbes has How Apple Stock Has Doubled Despite Falling iPhone Shipments, which is perhaps of more interest to those who come to the AAPL Finance Board.
hmm... asking a troll not to be a troll... i wonder if that's ever worked out on the internet...
now... there IS a thread called 'posts moved from the daily thread' in the dungeon and you ARE a moderator... i mean, crikey, we had a flame war about automatic weapon dictionary definitions in the daily thread the other day... more innocuous posts had been moved (or removed in case of lstream) before...
i'm NOT suggesting that particular approach, by the way... just reminding our resident trumpkins 🎃 to not be prissy little snowflakes when i call their dear leader names
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Post by walterwhite on Oct 10, 2019 12:28:49 GMT -8
i would consider a close above $230 today an incredible win... cheers to the longs!
whee?
ok, one more day... should be good a good weekend unless trump f*cks it up tomorrow 🎃
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Post by incorrigible on Oct 10, 2019 12:44:38 GMT -8
Stopped by to see if things improved. Guess not. Wow. :/
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Post by hyci004 on Oct 10, 2019 12:44:57 GMT -8
Price upgrade for Apple’s suppliers... Skyworks, QORVO and Broadcom.
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Post by chinacat on Oct 10, 2019 12:59:25 GMT -8
now... there IS a thread called 'posts moved from the daily thread' in the dungeon and you ARE a moderator... i mean, crikey, we had a flame war about automatic weapon dictionary definitions in the daily thread the other day... more innocuous posts had been moved (or removed in case of lstream) before... I am in favor of light moderation in general, and especially wary of exercising it to my own perceived benefit. I also have faith in the common sense and judgment of the clear majority of AFB members, certain exceptions notwithstanding.
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 10, 2019 13:06:46 GMT -8
Just in case someone here actually is interested in following the trade negotiations in good faith (as opposed to just whining and feet stomping):
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Post by walterwhite on Oct 10, 2019 13:09:47 GMT -8
Stopped by to see if things improved. Guess not. Wow. :/
they have! aapl was 220 a week ago and 230 now 4.5% improvement
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Post by walterwhite on Oct 10, 2019 13:12:23 GMT -8
Just in case someone here actually is interested in following the trade negotiations in good faith (as opposed to just whining and feet stomping):
good post jd! (no sarcasm, saying in good faith)
more like this (less like your other recent... uhrm... 'contributions') would be nice
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Post by Dave on Oct 10, 2019 13:23:51 GMT -8
It is a fantasy to believe " But our systems are ideologically opposed." Fascism and capitalism are parallel lines. Mussilini observed this and made a point of it. The Oligarchs had no problems with Hitler (Koch, Linberg and JP Morgan to name a few) while the liberals figuratively and literally led the charge to WWII. Our last righteous war. When one talks about Apple that is one thing we agree mostly on, but understanding history is a much longer discussion. Best to avoid simple statements. How did slavery work with capitalism? You see freedom which the right says they worship has nothing to do with the economics of capitalism. AND free enterprise and capitalism are completely different. You have free enterprise anywhere democratic socialism is but less capitalism. Capitalism is sitting by the pool and cashing the checks and not paying any income tax. Billionaires now officially according to studies pay tax at a lower rate than the middle class. That is capitalism gone nuts. Apple going to new high now is very positive. Other stocks to look at are RIO. Great dividend and thoughtful managers. Getting rid of the fossil fuel mines. OLED the future of light with a good business model where they have patents and collect money on research. OLED is going to be in cars soon. Market is expanding geometrically. A little something to read from Hillsdale College as you are very confused. Rediscovering the Wisdom in American History
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Post by chinacat on Oct 10, 2019 15:04:30 GMT -8
Okay, I’m going on hiatus. It would be great if someone would send me a message when this returns to being a forum about Apple/AAPL.
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