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Post by fas550 on Jan 4, 2013 7:21:40 GMT -8
+1. Just sucks but is is only 10am (that could either be bad or good). Anyone care to call the close? 540 Monday's close: 555+ Looking at 527.22>516.24 to give more clues. Not saying I think we go to either of those points, just that action around them will be good indications of our direction. Really Doc? Why do you think so on the close and Monday?
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jan 4, 2013 7:23:20 GMT -8
Bought one (1) jan. 4 530 call.
Break even at 533
Absolute flyer.......
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 4, 2013 7:23:48 GMT -8
Ridiculous. Any gain and sign of momentum is immediately given back. Seems like I'm stuck in a nightmare that keeps repeating itself. Agree, it has given hope several times only to snatch it away. That damn down trend line is a bitch to get over. It is times like this that I feel insiders already know something.
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Post by ibuyer on Jan 4, 2013 7:24:16 GMT -8
drop $25 from Wednesdays high, give me a damn break. AAPL is just plain nasty. fixed for ya not many stocks are down for the year. TC is on the verge to loosing his investors' confidence. update: broke 530. if it does not hold 525. we might see a big whosh down. only volume is down volume.
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Post by terps530 on Jan 4, 2013 7:25:41 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Jan 4, 2013 7:27:46 GMT -8
not many stocks are down for the year. TC is on the verge to loosing his investors' confidence. This has nothing to do with TC.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jan 4, 2013 7:31:27 GMT -8
We have confirmed record sales of the iphone 5 in the major markets where announcements are made.....we watched supply and demand gain balance WHILE demand remained strong. Any cutback from what are NOW exceptional production levels as the China channel is filling and the US holiday season calms...would be normal and expected... So they sell 49.9 million phones instead of my expected 52 million.....
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Post by ibuyer on Jan 4, 2013 7:31:31 GMT -8
not many stocks are down for the year. TC is on the verge to loosing his investors' confidence. This has nothing to do with TC. So you think that an accelerated stock buy back of say 50-75B would not help and be a good use of excess cash? And be good for the stock? So you think Lee Cooperman from Omega Advisors sentiment, which is a sentiment echoed buy pro money managers, that AAPL's capital allocation is poor and not shareholder friendly is not affecting the conviction of funds or the remit of the CEO/CFO?
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Post by lovemyipad on Jan 4, 2013 7:33:18 GMT -8
NEED to bounce here. Right on daily SMA-20.
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Post by joel90069 on Jan 4, 2013 7:38:50 GMT -8
I think this is more options related than anything else. It's Friday. Lots of calls will expire worthless by bringing the share price below 630. 7 million shares traded in the first hour to help that along. The tail is wagging the dog again.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jan 4, 2013 7:40:22 GMT -8
NEED to bounce here. Right on daily SMA-20. From your lips to the EO' ears.......
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Post by Lstream on Jan 4, 2013 7:41:49 GMT -8
This has nothing to do with TC. So you think that an accelerated stock buy back of say 50-75B would not help and be a good use of excess cash? And be good for the stock? So you think Lee Cooperman from Omega Advisors sentiment, which is a sentiment echoed buy pro money managers, that AAPL's capital allocation is poor and not shareholder friendly is not affecting the conviction of funds or the remit of the CEO/CFO? We can all come up with whatever information that suits us to support whatever point of view we have at the moment. Maybe those moves would help, and maybe not. I think it is just as likely that the irrational forces that are driving this behaviour would just carry on. Saying that TC is losing confidence when he is running the best performing company in the world just does not resonate with me. YMMV.
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Post by appledoc on Jan 4, 2013 7:41:48 GMT -8
540 Monday's close: 555+ Looking at 527.22>516.24 to give more clues. Not saying I think we go to either of those points, just that action around them will be good indications of our direction. Really Doc? Why do you think so on the close and Monday? They're both pretty much WAG based on my EW charts. Of course since I wrote that we slipped a couple of dollars more, making my predictions look even more ridiculous. We just hit 527.22 on the penny. We should turn it around now. But if not, let's just stay above 516.24. When we went over 534.90, I was convinced that the bottom had come at 501.23. If that wasn't the bottom, we're in a whole world of hurt coming up, based purely on EW. But for me, I have to consider the fundamentals when looking at potential EW scenarios. The bear scenario is BAD, and says we could see sub-400. I just can't justify that with how the company is performing currently. I simply can't. And that's why I have faith that better days are ahead.
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Post by fas550 on Jan 4, 2013 7:42:11 GMT -8
NEED to bounce here. Right on daily SMA-20. I was looking at that too. I'm finding it hard to see my screen through the tears :-(
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Post by fas550 on Jan 4, 2013 7:51:36 GMT -8
Really Doc? Why do you think so on the close and Monday? They're both pretty much WAG based on my EW charts. Of course since I wrote that we slipped a couple of dollars more, making my predictions look even more ridiculous. We just hit 527.22 on the penny. We should turn it around now. But if not, let's just stay above 516.24. When we went over 534.90, I was convinced that the bottom had come at 501.23. If that wasn't the bottom, we're in a whole world of hurt coming up, based purely on EW. But for me, I have to consider the fundamentals when looking at potential EW scenarios. The bear scenario is BAD, and says we could see sub-400. I just can't justify that with how the company is performing currently. I simply can't. And that's why I have faith that better days are ahead. Thanks and informative. The fundamentals will come into greater focus before a sub 400 or probably even a sub 500 would happen. I noticed how much more everyone started talking fundamentals more once we got in the low 500s. On a side not I am just pissed that any cuckoo analyst gets press just by mentioning Apple. This is why they make outlandish claims; because they have nothing of substance to offer and it's the only way people will talk about them. That creep yesterday that was talking about going below 400 has been shorting the stock since Apr 12: WTF did they think he was going to say?
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Post by prazan on Jan 4, 2013 7:55:29 GMT -8
We have confirmed record sales of the iphone 5 in the major markets where announcements are made.....we watched supply and demand gain balance WHILE demand remained strong. Any cutback from what are NOW exceptional production levels as the China channel is filling and the US holiday season calms...would be normal and expected... So they sell 49.9 million phones instead of my expected 52 million..... It's groundhog day all over again. Every quarter we go through reports like this. Just to note that I found no other source to this except streetinsider, a publication I don't trust much. If I'm wrong, please let me know. If someone has access to Deutche Bank reports, please confirm. I doubt the credibility of these supply side checks, which usually have a 50% success rate.
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Post by prazan on Jan 4, 2013 7:59:36 GMT -8
They're both pretty much WAG based on my EW charts. Of course since I wrote that we slipped a couple of dollars more, making my predictions look even more ridiculous. We just hit 527.22 on the penny. We should turn it around now. But if not, let's just stay above 516.24. When we went over 534.90, I was convinced that the bottom had come at 501.23. If that wasn't the bottom, we're in a whole world of hurt coming up, based purely on EW. But for me, I have to consider the fundamentals when looking at potential EW scenarios. The bear scenario is BAD, and says we could see sub-400. I just can't justify that with how the company is performing currently. I simply can't. And that's why I have faith that better days are ahead. Thanks and informative. The fundamentals will come into greater focus before a sub 400 or probably even a sub 500 would happen. I noticed how much more everyone started talking fundamentals more once we got in the low 500s. On a side not I am just pissed that any cuckoo analyst gets press just by mentioning Apple. This is why they make outlandish claims; because they have nothing of substance to offer and it's the only way people will talk about them. That creep yesterday that was talking about going below 400 has been shorting the stock since Apr 12: WTF did they think he was going to say? That creep is still only a creep. The bigger creep is the program director who scheduled him, and regularly schedule those like him. And the real creep is the CEO and his marketing team, who decided to be controversial and unsubstantiated rather than fair and balanced. But Yellow Journalism has been around for as long as the journalism business. If you watch it, then you support it. Note: and Fas, that's a general you, not a specific you, meaning those who watch it support it.
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Post by renee on Jan 4, 2013 7:59:40 GMT -8
I'm finding it hard to see my screen through the tears :-( Lol. Need some comic relief now, so thanks.
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 4, 2013 8:01:00 GMT -8
Boy, they are walking this dog down hard.
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Post by terps530 on Jan 4, 2013 8:03:43 GMT -8
We have confirmed record sales of the iphone 5 in the major markets where announcements are made.....we watched supply and demand gain balance WHILE demand remained strong. Any cutback from what are NOW exceptional production levels as the China channel is filling and the US holiday season calms...would be normal and expected... So they sell 49.9 million phones instead of my expected 52 million..... It's groundhog day all over again. Every quarter we go through reports like this. Just to note that I found no other source to this except streetinsider, a publication I don't trust much. If I'm wrong, please let me know. If someone has access to Deutche Bank reports, please confirm. I doubt the credibility of these supply side checks, which usually have a 50% success rate. well they announced it a few times on CNBC (of course). and zerohedge seems to be quoting deutsche bank but i cant find it elsewhere or directly from some deutsche bank PR. edit: i also doubt the credibility, but like peeps have said, it's amazing how much market moving power these people are given. They'll be wrong, and no one will care.
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Post by ibuyer on Jan 4, 2013 8:06:05 GMT -8
We have confirmed record sales of the iphone 5 in the major markets where announcements are made.....we watched supply and demand gain balance WHILE demand remained strong. Any cutback from what are NOW exceptional production levels as the China channel is filling and the US holiday season calms...would be normal and expected... So they sell 49.9 million phones instead of my expected 52 million..... It's groundhog day all over again. Every quarter we go through reports like this. Just to note that I found no other source to this except streetinsider, a publication I don't trust much. If I'm wrong, please let me know. If someone has access to Deutche Bank reports, please confirm. I doubt the credibility of these supply side checks, which usually have a 50% success rate. The reason for the cut, if true, will be key. Is it stockpile of parts? i.e. end demand fine Is it change in product plans i.e. new product? and is TC going to signal "transistion" on the call?
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Post by Tetrachloride on Jan 4, 2013 8:12:00 GMT -8
It would seem that Wall Street is trying to force another re-trace ahead of the usual post-earnings AND ahead of Earnings Smackdown announcement.
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Post by mbeauch on Jan 4, 2013 8:16:24 GMT -8
I'm finding it hard to see my screen through the tears :-( Lol. Need some comic relief now, so thanks. I do not think that was intended as comic relief, real pain that I share.
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Post by fas550 on Jan 4, 2013 8:18:05 GMT -8
Thanks and informative. The fundamentals will come into greater focus before a sub 400 or probably even a sub 500 would happen. I noticed how much more everyone started talking fundamentals more once we got in the low 500s. On a side not I am just pissed that any cuckoo analyst gets press just by mentioning Apple. This is why they make outlandish claims; because they have nothing of substance to offer and it's the only way people will talk about them. That creep yesterday that was talking about going below 400 has been shorting the stock since Apr 12: WTF did they think he was going to say? That creep is still only a creep. The bigger creep is the program director who scheduled him, and regularly schedule those like him. And the real creep is the CEO and his marketing team, who decided to be controversial and unsubstantiated rather than fair and balanced. But Yellow Journalism has been around for as long as the journalism business. If you watch it, then you support it. Note: and Fas, that's a general you, not a specific you, meaning those who watch it support it. Hey no offense taken. I read the report of his claim BTW as it made the rounds. Only time I listen to CNBC is as I am getting in/out of the shower and I have the TV on (no not in the shower). Michelle Lee I believe; that's another waste of airtime on CNBC too. All she does is read shit and repeat outlandish claims and I will say has a knack of making alleged situations or something stupid with no evidence sound like fact. Rick Santelli is amusing.
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Post by Tetrachloride on Jan 4, 2013 8:26:58 GMT -8
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Post by tuffett on Jan 4, 2013 8:28:55 GMT -8
Looks like SMA-20 has been breached. That was easy. See you soon, $500.
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Post by ibuyer on Jan 4, 2013 8:32:28 GMT -8
Lol. Need some comic relief now, so thanks. I do not think that was intended as comic relief, real pain that I share.
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Post by Lstream on Jan 4, 2013 8:33:54 GMT -8
CNBC has an entertainment formula that works for them. As long as people keep watching and linking to their stories, they will carry on.
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Post by ibuyer on Jan 4, 2013 8:37:14 GMT -8
Saying that TC is losing confidence when he is running the best performing company in the world just does not resonate with me. YMMV. One of worst performing stocks in Q4. Investors' are losing confidence. stock dropped from 705 to 530. It is a fact. Attachments:
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Post by Lstream on Jan 4, 2013 8:41:56 GMT -8
Saying that TC is losing confidence when he is running the best performing company in the world just does not resonate with me. YMMV. One of worst performing stocks in Q4. Investors' are losing confidence. stock dropped from 705 to 530. It is a fact. But it is not a fact that company performance or fundamentals are the issue. That is Cook's job. Not trying to combat the FUD and nonsense that is Wall Street. Hey - I like the idea of a buy back too. I am just not prepared to jump on the bandwagon of slamming Cook for a bunch of irrational investor behaviour.
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