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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2020 6:58:13 GMT -8
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Post by Ted on Jan 8, 2020 7:48:54 GMT -8
Does team Apple really need an excuse for not solving an engineering challenge? Can’t other electrical engineers be smart without Apple being dumb? They can’t win em all...
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Post by hyci004 on Jan 8, 2020 9:21:57 GMT -8
Does team Apple really need an excuse for not solving an engineering challenge? Can’t other electrical engineers be smart without Apple being dumb? They can’t win em all... Apple could have made a simple charging pad where an iPhone and other devices charge in a specific area of the pad. But that’s not the “Apple” way. A lot of CES announced products end up being vapor ware.
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Post by hyci004 on Jan 8, 2020 9:25:00 GMT -8
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Post by JDSoCal on Jan 8, 2020 9:39:54 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2020 9:43:32 GMT -8
Does team Apple really need an excuse for not solving an engineering challenge? Can’t other electrical engineers be smart without Apple being dumb? They can’t win em all... Apple could have made a simple charging pad where an iPhone and other devices charge in a specific area of the pad. But that’s not the “Apple” way. A lot of CES announced products end up being vapor ware. I don't see The Apple Way of announcing new products and never delivering as being a good way. This is from a iPhone event in 2017. Apple reveals AirPower wireless charging pad coming in 2018 Notice that Apple had even given the product a name: AirPower If Apple can't follow through on a product then don't tell the world that you will. The first thing that comes to mind is the promise of a 5G iPhone in 2020.
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Post by hyci004 on Jan 8, 2020 9:51:47 GMT -8
Apple could have made a simple charging pad where an iPhone and other devices charge in a specific area of the pad. But that’s not the “Apple” way. A lot of CES announced products end up being vapor ware. I don't see The Apple Way of announcing new products and never delivering as being a good way. This is from a iPhone event in 2017. Apple reveals AirPower wireless charging pad coming in 2018 Notice that Apple had even given the product a name: AirPower If Apple can't follow through on a product then don't tell the world that you will. The first thing that comes to mind is the promise of a 5G iPhone in 2020. I agree. I’m sure Apple will not make this mistake again.
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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2020 9:53:14 GMT -8
Wow! I see $302.52.
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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2020 10:05:38 GMT -8
I don't see The Apple Way of announcing new products and never delivering as being a good way. This is from a iPhone event in 2017. Apple reveals AirPower wireless charging pad coming in 2018 Notice that Apple had even given the product a name: AirPower If Apple can't follow through on a product then don't tell the world that you will. The first thing that comes to mind is the promise of a 5G iPhone in 2020. I agree. I’m sure Apple will not make this mistake again. I truly hope they don't. I think it's embarrassing. I don't know if anyone here ever tunes into the Kim Commando radio show on Saturdays but she has a nationwide talk show about everything digital. Whenever Apple announced its charging station she talked about it quite often. But as the months went buy and she started loosing hope she would recommend to her audience for them to look elsewhere. That's not good.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jan 8, 2020 10:23:43 GMT -8
I don't see the point in a wireless charging station if it still requires the device to be proximate to the station like a wired charger. But yes, poor execution on anything is concerning. Reminds me of what former USC coach John McKay said about his winless Tampa Bay Buccaneers after another loss, Reporter: "What do you think about your team's execution?" McKay: "I'm all for it." *** Closed my AAPL 1/10 297.50-300 that I BOT last week a little soon! Oh well, nobody ever went broke taking profits. Just opened a spread on a stock I am embarrassed to admit the name of. Let's just say my trade isn't based on fundamentals...but don't fight the tape! Cheers to the new ATH!
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Post by gtrplyr on Jan 8, 2020 10:43:15 GMT -8
I don't see the point in a wireless charging station if it still requires the device to be proximate to the station like a wired charger. But yes, poor execution on anything is concerning. Reminds me of what former USC coach John McKay said about his winless Tampa Bay Buccaneers after another loss, Reporter: "What do you think about your team's execution?" McKay: "I'm all for it." *** Closed my AAPL 1/10 297.50-300 that I BOT last week a little soon! Oh well, nobody ever went broke taking profits. Just opened a spread on a stock I am embarrassed to admit the name of. Let's just say my trade isn't based on fundamentals...but don't fight the tape! Cheers to the new ATH! Glad to see you've finally come around regarding TESLA !!! You're welcome.
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Post by Ted on Jan 8, 2020 10:51:38 GMT -8
Sure, I agree that it was not good that Apple had to pull the plug on an announced product. That certainly looks bad in the short-term, but, truly, would anyone have preferred that Apple put out
a) a me-too charging pad to compete with a slew of others with no Apple differentiation, no magic, and maybe no profit, or b) they released a half-baked, Samsung-esque product that blew up or failed after a few weeks?
It's tough being Apple, having to make multi-million dollar decisions, but imo they made the right choice here. And, yes, it would be better if they were perfect.
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 8, 2020 10:52:33 GMT -8
I don't see the point in a wireless charging station if it still requires the device to be proximate to the station like a wired charger. I bought a cheap well rated wireless charger off of Amazon maybe 2 months ago. It works great! It does need the iPhone to be somewhat centered. My ports tend to get gummed up over time, and this makes it not matter. It also might help in general with that, if it's more of a problem over time of getting junk in there and then daily tamping it down. At some point the former fuzzies, dirt, and sawdust are now a well packed incompressible material...and it's tougher to get out. At the relatives we had several different charging mats and phones, though only 2 non-iphones for the group of 10 or 11 phones. A samsung with a normal case had trouble on one mat. My wife's 8+ with a thick case sometimes doesn't like the mats, but managed with that one. The mats make it just a little easier to charge. I've been using a sleep tracker for a few weeks now, off of my iPhone, and it's easy to just set the phone down on it, and pick it up in the morning. That said, I'm not sold on the multi-device mats. Some exist already, including one from Ikea, with different zones. To me it seems fine to even have multiple different mats around...I don't really see much gained from a multi-device mat. As far as Apple developing one, who knows. Maybe it was one person's pet project that seemed cool, and then when issues were hit higher levels stepped in. If there isn't much market for one, how would they ever pay back R&D. Or liabilities, if 1 in 1000/10,000/100,000 had issues. The easy issue is it just not charging your device since it was too close to something else. The bad issue would be overcharging a device and starting a fire. With no restrictions on what it would try to charge, what happens when someone puts a cheap knock-off on there, with a under-engineered charging subsystem and a bad battery? Who is at fault for the fire? Legally, or via the media? What's the risk/reward on that? Apple seems to get enough flak on just fake Apple chargers that have or cause issues. That's the easy answer to why Apple dropped it. Sure, there must be a backstory, both to the lead-up and why it was dropped, but we don't have that and maybe never will. Unless it's a really good story, and Tim can drop it in sometime, fittingly. Nice move AAPL. Always great to get some strong gains, especially as last night's actions initially made it look like the gains would be seen in our USO and CVX positions instead. Ahhhh, the ups and downs of the market, especially in Oil that gets tied to so many things. Thanks Apple. Tell us a tale sometime, reminding us that saying no to a project is the hardest thing.
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Post by silkstone on Jan 8, 2020 11:07:13 GMT -8
Yep, since every product along with every product related decision made by Apple has contributed in one way or another to where the company and the stock is right now ($302 +), i’ll be happy to accept what they’ve done for me and for all of mankind. Quibbling about one off outlier product difficulties is just not realistic imo.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jan 8, 2020 11:16:27 GMT -8
Yep, since every product along with every product related decision made by Apple has contributed in one way or another to where the company and the stock is right now ($302 +), i’ll be happy to accept what they’ve done for me and for all of mankind. Quibbling about one off outlier product difficulties is just not realistic imo. I know, such nitpickers! It's like if someone's stock is up 100% under a certain president, yet he comes onto the board to quibble on the occasional day where AAPL is down a dollar? I know, totally unreasonable, eh? Thanks for your perspective on gratitude and reasonableness!
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Post by JDSoCal on Jan 8, 2020 11:21:32 GMT -8
Just opened a spread on a stock I am embarrassed to admit the name of. Let's just say my trade isn't based on fundamentals...but don't fight the tape! Glad to see you've finally come around regarding TESLA !!! I view it as needing a ride somewhere, and jumping onto a runaway flaming stagecoach just to get there, and then (hopefully) jumping off just before it explodes and kills everyone who stays on.
Just so we're clear, I don't believe in being long unprofitable companies having market caps 1.5X larger than their peers! (but I don't short/put /flaming stagecoaches either).
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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2020 11:43:07 GMT -8
Yep, since every product along with every product related decision made by Apple has contributed in one way or another to where the company and the stock is right now ($302 +), i’ll be happy to accept what they’ve done for me and for all of mankind. Quibbling about one off outlier product difficulties is just not realistic imo. Yes, I agree with you that in the big scheme of things this does not seem that important. But, I remember the talk a few years ago about the iPhone becoming water proof/resistant some day. They removed the headphone port (check) which just leaves the lightning port. Apple has already solved the problem with the speakers on the watch getting wet, which I think was genius. Can anyone image needing to plug in your watch or airpods in for recharging? And I've heard that Apple will soon be switching cables, again. . . . . . . . I know, I Know. I'm beating a dead horse.
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 8, 2020 12:18:55 GMT -8
I view it as needing a ride somewhere, and jumping onto a runaway flaming stagecoach just to get there, and then (hopefully) jumping off just before it explodes and kills everyone who stays on. Just so we're clear, I don't believe in being long unprofitable companies having market caps 1.5X larger than their peers! (but I don't short/put /flaming stagecoaches either). Love it! I shorted Amazon back when it broke $100, the first time, for a quick profitable day trade. Not all investments have to be long term. Buy yourself a Tesla solar setup and wall battery with the profits, for those preemptive blackouts
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 8, 2020 12:29:27 GMT -8
ATH!!!!!
Artman can do the honors whenever he sees fit, but gaining over $5 in a day calls for some recognition! Currently the high is $304.22, and the stock is at $304.15
Thanks AAPL!
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Post by mark on Jan 8, 2020 13:43:11 GMT -8
Looks like my June call spread sale executed today. I now own no calls, and no call spreads, on AAPL for the first time in probably 10 years! Wow, I just looked back at my trading spreadsheet and it's MORE than 10 years, seems like it dates back to sometime in 2008. That was when options still had the old style symbols, I see an "APVJH" for example which was a October 140 call, that's a $20 call in today's pricing! Amazing.
I am still short various puts over the next few months/years but they will almost surely all expire worthless.
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Post by artman1033 on Jan 8, 2020 14:25:11 GMT -8
AAPL ALL TIME HIGH!$304.43All Time Highest TODAY intraday 32,250,883
shares traded today AAPL ALL TIME HIGHEST CLOSE!$303.19aaplinvestors.net/stats/rank/AAPL market CAP. +1.331 TRILLION AAPL ALL TIME HIGH market CAP. +1.331 TRILLION TODAY +$1.331 TRILLION
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Post by chinacat on Jan 8, 2020 14:34:26 GMT -8
If Apple can't follow through on a product then don't tell the world that you will. The first thing that comes to mind is the promise of a 5G iPhone in 2020. I agree. I’m sure Apple will not make this mistake again. Let’s see how they handle this previous report: Apple’s fastest 5G iPhones may not launch until late 2020 or early 2021, analyst says. It’s clear that their competitors will all be racing to make the earliest possible release. Can Apple not release some flavor of a 5G phone in September? Will the iPhone Pro be delayed for mmWave? Will the phone companies give Apple (and others) insight into their deployment plans? This will be an interesting story to follow through the year.
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 8, 2020 14:44:03 GMT -8
AAPL ALL TIME HIGH!$304.43All Time Highest TODAY intraday 32,250,883
shares traded today AAPL ALL TIME HIGHEST CLOSE!$303.19aaplinvestors.net/stats/rank/AAPL market CAP. +1.331 TRILLION AAPL ALL TIME HIGH market CAP. +1.331 TRILLION TODAY +$1.331 TRILLION It just doesn't feel official until we've seen the post. Thanks Artman! And thanks, Apple!
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Post by artman1033 on Jan 8, 2020 18:59:31 GMT -8
As of January 2, 2019, 4,729,803,000 shares of Apple’s common stock were issued and outstanding. HEREAs of January 2, 2020, 4,384,027,000 shares of Apple’s common stock were issued and outstanding. HERE345,776,000 Reduction year over year. As always, PLEASE CHECK MY MATH.
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