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Post by 4aapl on Mar 14, 2020 22:47:30 GMT -8
A down week, with lots of volatility, but not as bad as it could have been.
The President (finally) did what he needed to do, of trying to calm the nerves of the citizens by working with a big swath of firms on making progress. The market reacted positively in the last hour going into the weekend, but longer term we will see how it goes. This week, there were big moves up and down, and even though I would like to see a good followthrough day on Monday, it seems possibly more likely for the mega-see-saw to continue.
In our neck of the woods, my wife braved Costco, Sams Club, Trader Joes, and Winco, along with Home Depot and Lowes, before a sizable winter storm got here. As has happened elsewhere, there were a lot of people at the grocery stores, and a lot of full carts and sold out stuff.
My wife just ran to Raleys now, 30 minutes before closing time. It was empty there, and even though we are in the middle of a storm so the restocking truck didn't make it yet, the only real thing they were out of was TP. Shelfs were lighter than normal, but most items were there. I was going to go when they open at 7am tomorrow.
But, the biggie is that most of the big ski resorts are closing. Squaw/Alpine/Northstar/Heavenly/Kirkwood/SugarBowl are all closed, with SugarBowl noting that over in Colorado the Governor was having all resorts shut there. Our local resort canceled all activities and made some changes, but so far is staying open. And several other small resorts are staying open, so far. That leaves Diamond Peak, Mt Rose, Homewood, Boreal, and Sierra at Tahoe. With likely 18" of snow in the morning, it will be interesting to see how packed DP is tomorrow. The storm goes through Tuesday, so that should weed out a lot of the normal weekend crowds.
With Apple closing all non-China Apple stores, and having corporate work from home, they are helping lead the example. At the same time, it's tough because there are still unknowns, and it's a fluid situation with differences geographically. Most schools in our district have a 2 week spring break starting now, but a few outlying schools like ours are on a different schedule, and given the current CDC guidelines the district is keeping our schools open.
For Apple, it helps that production is moving along now. It's not all rosy, and some sales might have been postponed or even put off, but a spot check late in the week of iPhone 11's via the Apple store showed availability at the local Apple store of all but one of the 8 configs I checked, along with quick shipping options if ordering online. It seems likely there will be a down-tick this quarter, but it may be more contained than initially feared, and should be delayed purchases (less buying, or even lower paychecks in at least some job sectors) rather than losing sales to a different platform.
Be patient and careful out there. I'd like to imagine the TP and food buying will calm in a week, as there is only so much one can really have. OTOH, think outside of the box. Home Depot had Clorox Wipes yesterday. Raleys was packed during the day, but quiet just before closing. We skipped the line at Sams Club by using their App to pay for our items. And Sams Club Plus membership includes free shipping on most things (including TP, if you really need it buy can wait for shipping. I'd hate to do that, but it is a choice, and our family prefers their MM TP, and a couple other items there like Chedder Cheese, over Costco. Though we still prefer Costco for most things).
Get outside and get some fresh air! And prepare for continued volatility, while overall being cautiously optimistic on multiple fronts.
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2020 3:00:25 GMT -8
My guess is that the price will become range bound for a while. Stuck between the 50 and the 200 day MA. Maybe next quarters guidance will be looked at positively and push the price above the 50MA. Time will tell.
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2020 3:34:33 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Mar 15, 2020 6:56:41 GMT -8
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 15, 2020 9:34:19 GMT -8
The President (finally) did what he needed to do, of trying to calm the nerves of the citizens by working with a big swath of firms on making progress. The market reacted positively in the last hour going into the weekend, but longer term we will see how it goes. This week, there were big moves up and down, and even though I would like to see a good followthrough day on Monday, it seems possibly more likely for the mega-see-saw to continue. The media ginned up this panic and (intentionally) tried to put the President in a no-win situation, where he can't minimize the risks as the economy and markets tank. But what none of the MSM idiots realize is they are setting up DJT to actually run on his successful containment of this OMG Armageddon Virus. I mean some of these media maniacs have talked about as high as 1.5 million cases and 100,000 deaths. Meanwhile we're at 57 61 deaths and going up like 10 or so a day. The math doesn't add up. "But but but wait until the testing improves." OK, I'll wait. Just remember I said this. In 2009, 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died. Obama didn't declare an emergency until 1000 Americans had died. Oh, and go look at the Wikipedia entry for how Dementia Joe Biden handled Swine Flu. These debates are going to be fun! I think South Korea's numbers are interesting: As of 11 March 2020, South Korea has about 7,800 cases and 61 deaths with over 200,000 people having been tested, a case fatality rate of 0.8%, which is lower than the WHO's global case fatality rate of 3.4%. As of 12 March, among nations with at least one million citizens, South Korea has the world's second highest per capita rate of positive coronavirus cases at 153.5 cases per million people, behind only Italy. In a country the size of the US that would equal 50,000 cases and 401 deaths.
In Italy (highest case and death rate), there have been 24,747 confirmed cases, 1,809 deaths, and 2,335 recoveries in Italy, leaving 14,955 active cases (350 cases per million and 6.3% death rate). In this worst case scenario, applied to the US, this would equal 114,450 cases and 7210 deaths (still way below our average seasonal flue death rates).
So, where do you think we'll end up, with the first day of Spring on Thursday? I keep hearing over and over on Twitter that the USA numbers are just about to break out. I'm going to say well under 500 deaths (1/20 the number of seasonal flu deaths). Call it "modeling." Anything under 401 deaths would be better than Korea is handling it and they have the lowest death rates. It will also be interesting to see how the media spins it all once we have by far the best response and outcomes to coronavirus of any country. EDIT: Here's a breakdown of the deaths by state. Interesting stat: 27 or 46% of the deaths in the US come from a single assisted living facility in Washington State.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Mar 15, 2020 15:25:14 GMT -8
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Post by dreamRaj on Mar 15, 2020 15:25:55 GMT -8
Fed cutting interest rates to 0 isn’t going down well with futures. Down 1000.
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Post by aaplsauce on Mar 15, 2020 15:43:14 GMT -8
4aapl: "The President (finally) did what he needed to do..." No he didn't. The FACT is he lied to the citizens, like he always does. He can't help himself, that's what a con man does.
JDSoCal: "The media ginned up this panic and (intentionally) tried to put the President in a no-win situation..." It's always a conspiracy isn't it? The FACT is, he puts himself & others in no-win situations. And he refuses to take any responsibility for anything. He can't help himself, that's what a con man does.
The Fed cuts rates to zero and launches a $700 billion quantitative easing program. We'll see how the market reacts to this, combined with the increase in virus cases. It will get worse for a while. I have limit orders for AAPL in the 220's, will see how long it takes to execute. I've been long AAPL for a long time, so I'm more concerned about catching the virus, vs losing money on my AAPL investment.
Good luck and be safe.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 15, 2020 15:50:23 GMT -8
The President (finally) did what he needed to do, of trying to calm the nerves of the citizens by working with a big swath of firms on making progress. The market reacted positively in the last hour going into the weekend, but longer term we will see how it goes. This week, there were big moves up and down, and even though I would like to see a good followthrough day on Monday, it seems possibly more likely for the mega-see-saw to continue. The media ginned up this panic and (intentionally) tried to put the President in a no-win situation, where he can't minimize the risks as the economy and markets tank. But what none of the MSM idiots realize is they are setting up DJT to actually run on his successful containment of this OMG Armageddon Virus. I mean some of these media maniacs have talked about as high as 1.5 million cases and 100,000 deaths. Meanwhile we're at 57 61 deaths and going up like 10 or so a day. The math doesn't add up. No JD, it’s not the media that’s put Trump in this situation. It’s Trump and his own administration that’s done that. There’s a very good reason that we’re all familiar with the expression, “Prepare for the worst!”. It's a very common expression that most folks know and understand, whereas, “Prepare for the best!” never really caught on, for good reason. All the Trump supporters on AFB have been so quick to say the Trump has done everything right regarding coronavirus and his quick actions have prevented potentially catastrophic results by banning travel from China. You and others continue to post that this crisis is being blown all out of proportion. I honestly hope you're right. But, it just makes good sense to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. BTW, Italy *also* banned travel from China on January 31st of this year, four days before the U.S. did. And they had a full ban, whereas the U.S. policy was only a restriction, with wide exceptions. And yet Italy is the epicenter of the coronavirus in Europe, with the highest number of cases outside of China. In a crisis situation such as this, the leader of this country is responsible for much more than just banning travel from other countries. Italy is an excellent example of why more is needed from the county's leaders. For example, mandatory nationwide shutdown of large public gatherings, making tests readily available to all folks with symptoms, setting a good example by *not* shaking hands with executives in your televised press conference, etc. Instead of being concerned about the health and safety of the American people, Trump has *only* been interested in the impact that coronavirus will have on the economy and, therefore, on his reelection chances. That’s why he wanted, for example, despite what the experts told him, to keep passengers and crew on the Grand Princess cruise liner after 21 of its passengers and crew members tested positive for the coronavirus. He said he didn’t want the coronavirus cases in the U.S. to “double”. Trump said he wants to keep Grand Princess cruise passengers on the ship so that US coronavirus numbers don't 'double.' That strategy failed in Japan.During a tour at the CDC on Friday, President Donald Trump said that the experts he consults, including Vice President Mike Pence, want to take people off the ship. However, Trump said that he didn't want the passengers raising the total case count in the US.
"I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault," Trump said in a Fox News interview.As mentioned in the excerpt below, taken from the The Atlantic, nobody really knows how many people in the U.S. are already sick from the coronavirus because of insufficient testing availability. The Dangerous Delays in U.S. Coronavirus Testing Haven’t StoppedNearly two weeks after the new coronavirus was first found to be spreading among Americans, the United States remains dangerously limited in its capacity to test people for the illness, an ongoing investigation from The Atlantic has found.
After surveying local data from across the country, we can only verify that 4,384 people have been tested for the coronavirus nationwide, as of Monday at 4 p.m. eastern time. These data are as comprehensive a compilation of official statistics as currently possible. The lack of testing means that it is almost impossible to know how many Americans are infected with the coronavirus and suffering from COVID-19, the disease it causes. While our analysis has tracked state and local announcements that more than 570 people in 36 states are infected, experts say that number is almost certainly too small to reflect the full extent of the disease’s spread in the U.S. Not enough Americans have been tested for officials to know how many people are ill, they say.Also,here’s two charts regarding testing for the coronavirus around the world. You can easily see how the U.S. compares to the rest of the world when it comes to testing. Spoiler alert: Poorly. And if individuals are unable to be tested in the U.S., it means we don’t know how many cases we truly have. So when you say, “The math doesn’t add up”, the fact of the matter we don’t have accurate numbers to *do* the math. And that’s certainly not the fault of the media. You can say, "But but but wait until the testing improves." all you want...but it happens to be pretty damn important to test for the virus of concern. ourworldindata.org/covid-testing "But but but wait until the testing improves." OK, I'll wait. Just remember I said this. In 2009, 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died. Obama didn't declare an emergency until 1000 Americans had died. Oh, and go look at the Wikipedia entry for how Dementia Joe Biden handled Swine Flu. These debates are going to be fun! That’s strange. There’s a H1N1 timeline on the CDC site showing that on April 15th, 2009, the first human infection with H1N1 virus was detected in California and, after 3 more cases were reported, the United States Government declared 2009 H1N1 a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 04/26/09 and “...CDC began releasing 25% of antiviral drugs needed to treat this new influenza virus from the federal stockpile". You must have gotten that info about Obama from a Fake News source. Here’s the link to the CDC site: 2009 H1N1 Pandemic TimelineI think South Korea's numbers are interesting: As of 11 March 2020, South Korea has about 7,800 cases and 61 deaths with over 200,000 people having been tested, a case fatality rate of 0.8%, which is lower than the WHO's global case fatality rate of 3.4%. I think South Korea’s numbers are interesting, as well. How is it that with a little over 50 million population, South Korea tested over 200,000 people by 03/11/20 while the U.S., with over 330 million people has, as of 03/14/20, only tested 19,744? Asking for a friend. I'm going to say well under 500 deaths (1/20 the number of seasonal flu deaths). Call it "modeling." Anything under 401 deaths would be better than Korea is handling it and they have the lowest death rates. It will also be interesting to see how the media spins it all once we have by far the best response and outcomes to coronavirus of any country. So, well under 500 deaths. Well, I guess it’s crazy to worry about such a small number…unless, of course, one of your friends or family members is part of that ~500 deaths statistic.
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Post by walterwhite on Mar 15, 2020 15:58:00 GMT -8
Fed cutting interest rates to 0 isn’t going down well with futures. Down 1000.
fed is officially out of ammo... 175 basis points wasted
trump cheered it in but still appears to have zero understanding it's not interest rates that matter in a pandemic... people need testing kits, functioning healthcare system, emergency preparation, reassurances... and we get a friggin signed stock chart on lou dobbs
i'm long and out of cash (at least non-emergency cash) to BTFD... but it's honestly hard to see a v-shared recovery with the current us leadership
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Post by walterwhite on Mar 15, 2020 16:08:17 GMT -8
this is an important link... title: 'When a danger is growing exponentially, everything looks fine until it doesn’t'
key word is exponentially... unfortunately, trump apologists are not versed in numbers.... or ignore them willingly
you have all manner of scientists and mathematicians and engineers (from Fauci to Taleb) ringing fire alarm for many days now.... in the media and on twitter.... it all falls on deaf ears, people still compare current # of cases (outdated statistic because of lack of test kits) to seasonal flu, diabetes, car accidents and all manner of other irrelevant stats
GLTA and stay safe
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 15, 2020 16:18:48 GMT -8
Thanks so much for posting this link, archibaldtuttle! When a danger is growing exponentially, everything looks fine until it doesn’tThis article to which you linked, is so well-written and germane, IMO, I'm enclosing the entire article in this post for those who don't bother to follow a link. Thanks again for posting it. =========================== By Megan McArdle There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this: You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that on day two, you have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on. Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?” The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily pads are there.
That grim math explains why so many people — including me — are worried about the novel coronavirus, which causes a disease known as covid-19. And why so many other people think we are panicking over nothing.
During the current flu season, they point out, more than 250,000 people have been hospitalized in the United States, and 14,000 have died, including more than 100 children. As of this writing, the coronavirus has killed 29 people, and our caseload is in the hundreds. Why are we freaking out about the tiny threat while ignoring the big one?
Quite a number of people have suggested that it’s because the media just wants President Trump to look bad. Trump seems particularly fond of this suggestion.
But go back to those lily pads: When something dangerous is growing exponentially, everything looks fine until it doesn’t. In the early days of the Wuhan epidemic, when no one was taking precautions, the number of cases appears to have doubled every four to five days.
The crisis in northern Italy is what happens when a fast doubling rate meets a “threshold effect,” where the character of an event can massively change once its size hits a certain threshold.
In this case, the threshold is things such as ICU beds. If the epidemic is small enough, doctors can provide respiratory support to the significant fraction of patients who develop complications, and relatively few will die. But once the number of critical patients exceeds the number of ventilators and ICU beds and other critical-care facilities, mortality rates spike.
Daniele Macchini, a doctor in Bergamo, Italy, recently posted a heart-stopping account to Facebook of what he and his colleagues have endured: the hospital emptying out, the wards eerily silent as they waited for the patients they couldn’t quite believe would come … and then, the “tsunami.”
“One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace. … The boards with the names of the patients, of different colors depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.”
A British health-care worker shared a message from a doctor in Italy, who alleged that covid-19 patients in their hospital who are over 65, or have complicating conditions, aren’t even being considered for the most intensive forms of supportive treatment.
The experts are telling us that here in the United States, we can avoid hitting that threshold where sizable regions of the country will suddenly step into hell. We still have time to #flattenthecurve, as a popular infographic put it, slowing the spread so that the number of cases never exceeds what our health system can handle. The United States has an unusually high number of ICU beds, which gives us a head start. But we mustn’t squander that advantage through complacency.
So everyone needs to understand a few things.
First, the virus is here, and it is spreading quickly, even though everything looks normal. Right now, the United States has more reported cases than Italy had in late February. What matters isn’t what you can see but what you can’t: the patients who will need ICU care in two to six weeks.
Second, this is not “a bad flu.” It kills more of its hosts, and it will spread farther unless we take aggressive steps to slow it down, because no one is yet immune to this disease. It will be quite some time before the virus runs out of new patients.
Third, we can fight it. Despite early exposure, Singapore and Hong Kong have kept their caseloads low, not by completely shutting down large swaths of their economies as China did but through aggressive personal hygiene and “social distancing.” South Korea seems to be getting its initial outbreak under control using similar measures. If we do the same, we can not only keep our hospitals from overloading but also buy researchers time to develop vaccines and therapies.
Fourth, and most important: We are all in this together. It is your responsibility to keep America safe by following the CDC guidelines, just as much as it is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s or President Trump’s responsibility to lead us to safety. And until this virus is beaten, we all need to act like it.
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Post by firestorm on Mar 15, 2020 17:11:10 GMT -8
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Post by zzmac on Mar 15, 2020 18:39:51 GMT -8
Another expert, called the top Coronavirus expert in the world. Chilling video, watch it if you dare. Pray the possibilities don’t happen. Stay safe everyone! youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw
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Post by macster on Mar 15, 2020 18:42:16 GMT -8
Takes a virus to get the liberals into the dungeon. A virus unto itself, LOL. I read through the temper tantrums and found lots of hot air and news sources that have a record of reporting bias and false formation without apology minus the official CDC link.
1. Facts are early testing for Wuhan was inadequate. Lots of false negatives. With cooperation from cutting red tape and regulations, new accurate testing has been put on a war footing multiple weeks ago. 2. The US relies heavily on China not only for medical supplies but also drugs. Medical supplies have been lacking lately. This has been ongoing for over 25 years. This administration has taken action above and beyond that of a drunken Hillary administration in that Trump has mobilized entire industries to fight this pandemic and China controlled supply chains. 3. Italy is a favorite tourism country for China, they love it there. So despite the Italian China travel band it was too late. 4. The CDC has been steadily underfunded for over 10 years. The leftist talking points that Trump fired the heads of the CDC is ridiculous. 5. The Governors of CA, NY, WA, IL ALL liberals, have praised the Trump administration actions. And 6. The facts are that 1000 people died during the Obama H1N1 virus before Obama declared a national emergency despite early the CDC actions.
Finally the seriousness of this virus was never downplayed in Trump administration action or official government talking points. We all read the opinions from all sides of the political spectrum online in newspapers and tv. I’ve heard both liberal and conservatives downplaying the Wuhan virus here in the US.
All these negative stories and comments are feeding the algos on the VIX.
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 15, 2020 19:14:00 GMT -8
Well it appears that testing kits for a novel virus take a while to mass produce. For some perspective, let's look at the H1N1 timeline, from LuckyChoice's linked CDC site: - April 15 2009 - First human infection with new influenza A H1N1 virus detected in California.
- June 25 2009 - CDC estimated at least 1 million cases of 2009 H1N1 influenza had occurred in the United States.
- September 1 2009 - More than 1,000 test kits shipped to 120 domestic and 250 international laboratories in 140 countries since May 1, 2009.
- October 26 2009 - Obama declares national emergency.
Well now, isn't that impressive, a whole 1000 H1N1 test kits shipped in 5 months (and that's international not just US)! But your own linked Atlantic article claims that so far we have tested 4,384 American people in only 7 weeks since the first US Covid-19 case was discovered! And only 3,734 confirmed US cases so far in two months (vs over a million H1N1 in two months in 2009)! Seems like the Trump Admin is actually well ahead of the Obama curve. Here is the WSJ report of Barack Obama declaring H1N1 an emergency on Oct. 26, 2009, eight months after Luckychoices claims he did. In April 2009 the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a public health emergency of international concern. The next day the CDC also did. This is a bureaucratic agency response, not a presidential one. I can understand the confusion, and I'll give a pass on this one, but they are different. A presidential order is for the entire government, not just an order by a director of a lone agency within one department issuing an order. I'm too tired and busy (I'm suddenly teaching online courses) to address every other point here, so I guess we'll just wait and see where the numbers end up. But it's all meaningless anyway, because even if this crisis is handled adroitly and becomes a model for future public health emergencies, the FakeNews media and several people here will just say, "we got lucky," instead of giving the President one bit of credit. Because there is just no known cure or treatment for TDS.
Honestly guys, I was no fan of Obama's politics or his smarmy, "elections have consequences and we won" attitude. But I sure as hell wasn't rooting for him to fail in non-political matters like defense and public health (e.g., I happened to like that he was drone happy with terrorists and bailed out the banks). I only bring him up now for fairness purposes. I sure as hell wasn't saying, "dur hur dumb Obama killed a bunch of Americans with Swine Flu" at the time (more likely I was just blaming typical government incompetence, which is made up of 99.99% non-political civil service employees). But some of you are just sick in the head with hatred over the current president and cannot be the least bit fair or intellectually honest. It's sad because this would be the ideal time to come together like after 9/11; but some of you just seem to prefer hate and division. Sad!
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 15, 2020 21:20:41 GMT -8
4aapl: "The President (finally) did what he needed to do..." No he didn't. The FACT is he lied to the citizens, like he always does. He can't help himself, that's what a con man does. I must not have fully described what I was feeling while hearing the broadcast, on NPR, on Friday. It was late when posting this last night, and since no weekend post got out, I wanted to get one started and knew I wouldn't have time with skiing today. No one is perfect, and no one is ever going to perfectly handle a situation like this with so many unknowns still around. But, the fear and panic, of mass purchasing of masks, hand sanitizer, TP, and water. Part of that is human nature of trying to do something when worried, even when looking deeper it might not be the best way to prepare, waiting in line and going into stores with hundreds or thousands of other people. So how would you try to control that? Maybe start with a speech, like on Wednesday? I'm more of a moderate, and there are some things that Trump has done that I think were good choices, and some that I don't think were. But, I don't find him the best talker. Maybe his style works well in some situations, but he seems to dwell on some things, and is all over the place. For this reason, or the content and lack of clear steps for people to take so they can feel like they are doing something, I didn't find that speech very reassuring. Neither did the market, or the media. Maybe neither will ever be happy, but the speech didn't seem to try much other to point out that the government was doing things (Great things. Wonderful things. Unspecified things! Fine in some circumstances, but not here) But what is the right thing to do? Back with the tariffs, the president talked with a bunch of top CEOs. Obama did the same, with Steve in that dinner picture. That makes sense, of gathering some top folks, getting their input, making plans, and then talking to the public about it. It might not solve everything, but if a big portion of the hysteria is the feeling of helplessness in the face of unknowns, you should be able to talk things down a bit by showing that you have buy-in from a huge swath of people, and are making plans. Even if not all plans are ready to share, and may change along the way. It was with that mindset that I said he did what he needed to do, by getting help, and trying to calm the public a bit by showing that they had a lot of people coming together. Like JD said, I want the President, no matter who it happens to be at the time nor if I voted for him or not, to do well. I likely don't agree with everything he does (no president in my voting career has), but especially at a time of panic, I want them to lead the country in getting through the situation. I talked to about 100 people from all over the country today on the lifts (NY, FL, TX, HI, UT, and tons from CA), all while in gloves/ski facemask/goggles. This is the subset that came out today, while all of the big resorts had already closed due to the virus. Even so, some were more jumpy than others, with one guy even sneaking around to my other side to get "upwind", while then being a foot away instead of six. The ski resort announced it is closing for the rest of the week, a big downer given that we had a dry warm period for a month and a half, and this is the first big storm. I was looking forward to multiple powder days this week. Instead, all Tahoe resorts are closed, and so much snow so quick brings a high avalanche danger in the backcountry. To top it off, all Nevada schools are closing for 3 weeks, with our towns schools then having Spring Break, so the kids are home for the next 4 weeks. One, who had just downed a beer at the bar, felt this was the first big media virus, that it was all hyped up just for the shock and awe of it. Most just wanted to ski, feeling it was a fairly dispersed activity out in nature, and that pulling the plug on the cafeteria and seating should be plenty. Those from the Bay Area (San Carlos, San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland, Los Altos, Lafayette, including people working at Google, Facebook, and Apple, along with a teacher at a middle school a block from where I lived for a bit in Cupertino) said things were a bit crazy there with people stocking up, but it sounded like the same we saw in the last few days in Reno, with huge pre-opening lines at Costco, empty shelves, and the like. But again, aside from the older locals that just wanted to get a few powder runs in, these all were relatively fit sub-60 year olds that weren't worried about being out with people from all over the country. I skied from 8:45 until 4:15, and never heard a single sneeze or sniffle. I think it's probable that supply will catch up with demand on most grocery items this week (a friend at the store sent a pic of their empty back area, but we heard a truck didn't make it by last night, and trucks weren't allowed on 80 all day). If that happens, and people are calmed a little in other ways such as more positive news from other countries further along in the spread, the panic side of the virus scare should partially subside. People need hope, along with things they can do. If people try to lessen social contact, while washing hands more often and working on touching their face less, they can help make progress. But, we all have to work on this, no matter the political preference. This should be beyond politics, as a national, and global, issue. In our small village they say "It takes a village". In our country on something with this scale, we should be able to come together and feel that "It takes a country!" (Libraries shut down too, but I picked up a bunch of movies on Friday including American President. It might be time to rewatch the 7 seasons of West Wing too)
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Mar 15, 2020 21:26:12 GMT -8
We may be headed to a full lockdown like Italy. How long it will last is the big mystery. This video is a good watch: youtu.be/o_cImRzKXOs
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Post by aaplsauce on Mar 15, 2020 22:41:45 GMT -8
4aapl, I appreciated your reply.
You asked the questions "So how would you try to control that? Maybe start with a speech, like on Wednesday?
My suggestion to start to address the fear and panic would be...Maybe start with telling the truth, like a real leader would. The con man lies every day, and apparently a significant portion of the USA (and some on this board) thinks lying is presidential. What are the kids thinking when they see adults support such behavior, or others remaining silent, when Trump spews out one lie after another? To be clear, his habitual lying is a FACT, not an opinion.
One of the reasons I am an APPL shareholder, is because I respect the leadership. If the leadership of Apple lied to shareholders, I would sell every share I own. I'm sure many of you would do the same.
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Post by deasys on Mar 15, 2020 22:41:58 GMT -8
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Post by silkstone on Mar 16, 2020 3:10:23 GMT -8
I’m pretty sure I saw trump call the coronavirus crisis “the latest democratic hoax” at one of his rallies. The next time I saw him on TV he called for everyone to “stay calm, be patient and it will go away” I guess that’s what mommy and daddy would tell their little trust fund baby whenever something went akilter. It’s okay he’ll be gone in a few months.
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Post by macster on Mar 16, 2020 3:37:24 GMT -8
I’m pretty sure I saw trump call the coronavirus crisis “the latest democratic hoax” at one of his rallies. The next time I saw him on TV he called for everyone to “stay calm, be patient and it will go away” I guess that’s what mommy and daddy would tell their little trust fund baby whenever something went akilter. It’s okay he’ll be gone in a few months. It will be gone in a few months as he stated just like it’s been handled in China, Japan and others where production and normal life has resumed to reasonable extent. What the President is saying and what govt action is doing are two separate issues. A leader does not fear monger but quietly works to negate consequences. DurIng January shutdown of the Senate on the impeachment hoax your government under Trump shut down travel from China and was working quietly with the CDC. The called Trump a racist. Now the LEFT POLITICIZES THE ISSUE, and the MSDNC’s spew the TDS. Who now is drinking the cool aid? LOL
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Post by silkstone on Mar 16, 2020 4:19:29 GMT -8
I’m pretty sure I saw trump call the coronavirus crisis “the latest democratic hoax” at one of his rallies. The next time I saw him on TV he called for everyone to “stay calm, be patient and it will go away” I guess that’s what mommy and daddy would tell their little trust fund baby whenever something went akilter. It’s okay he’ll be gone in a few months. It will be gone in a few months as he stated just like it’s been handled in China, Japan and others where production and normal life has resumed to reasonable extent. What the President is saying and what govt action is doing are two separate issues. A leader does not fear monger but quietly works to negate consequences. DurIng January shutdown of the Senate on the impeachment hoax your government under Trump shut down travel from China and was working quietly with the CDC. The called Trump a racist. Now the LEFT POLITICIZES THE ISSUE, and the MSDNC’s spew the TDS. Who now is drinking the cool aid? LOL The people drinking the cool aid are the ones who can’t find anything wrong with the way things are being handled. They think everything is perfect. The disjointed response by the federal government to this health crisis makes it clear to everyone just how weak our current leadership is. It’s not a hoax or a minor issue even when the potus says it is. Weak leadership in an emergency situation is not something you can hide with hateful rhetoric and name calling.
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Post by macster on Mar 16, 2020 4:58:04 GMT -8
It will be gone in a few months as he stated just like it’s been handled in China, Japan and others where production and normal life has resumed to reasonable extent. What the President is saying and what govt action is doing are two separate issues. A leader does not fear monger but quietly works to negate consequences. DurIng January shutdown of the Senate on the impeachment hoax your government under Trump shut down travel from China and was working quietly with the CDC. The called Trump a racist. Now the LEFT POLITICIZES THE ISSUE, and the MSDNC’s spew the TDS. Who now is drinking the cool aid? LOL The people drinking the cool aid are the ones who can’t find anything wrong with the way things are being handled. They think everything is perfect. The disjointed response by the federal government to this health crisis makes it clear to everyone just how weak our current leadership is. It’s not a hoax or a minor issue even when the potus says it is. Weak leadership in an emergency situation is not something you can hide with hateful rhetoric and name calling. Tell us how things should be handled Mr. Perfect. Weak Leadership? LOL Just stop.
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Post by silkstone on Mar 16, 2020 5:22:45 GMT -8
The people drinking the cool aid are the ones who can’t find anything wrong with the way things are being handled. They think everything is perfect. The disjointed response by the federal government to this health crisis makes it clear to everyone just how weak our current leadership is. It’s not a hoax or a minor issue even when the potus says it is. Weak leadership in an emergency situation is not something you can hide with hateful rhetoric and name calling. Tell us how things should be handled Mr. Perfect. Weak Leadership? LOL Just stop. Weak leadership calls the biggest health crisis in modern history a hoax, weak leadership minimizes a huge health crisis, weak leadership creates confusion by contradicting health experts, weak leadership fails to address the psychological aspects of the American public, weak leadership fails to prepare, weak leadership fires people who speak up when they see a problem, weak leadership fails to lead. I could go on but I know you’re not open minded about his obvious failures.
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Post by macster on Mar 16, 2020 5:36:07 GMT -8
Tell us how things should be handled Mr. Perfect. Weak Leadership? LOL Just stop. Weak leadership calls the biggest health crisis in modern history a hoax, weak leadership minimizes a huge health crisis, weak leadership creates confusion by contradicting health experts, weak leadership fails to address the psychological aspects of the American public, weak leadership fails to prepare, weak leadership fires people who speak up when they see a problem, weak leadership fails to lead. I could go on but I know you’re not open minded about his obvious failures. You are confused. He called the left wing media response to the health crisis and administration actions a Hoax for politicizing it, not the Wuhan virus. Some people just cannot be helped from viewing and reading the propaganda from leftist and right wing sources or suffering from gray matter slowness.
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Post by silkstone on Mar 16, 2020 5:40:34 GMT -8
Weak leadership calls the biggest health crisis in modern history a hoax, weak leadership minimizes a huge health crisis, weak leadership creates confusion by contradicting health experts, weak leadership fails to address the psychological aspects of the American public, weak leadership fails to prepare, weak leadership fires people who speak up when they see a problem, weak leadership fails to lead. I could go on but I know you’re not open minded about his obvious failures. You are confused. He called the left wing media response to the health crisis and administration actions a Hoax for politicizing it, not the Wuhan virus. Some people just cannot be helped from viewing and reading the propaganda from leftist and right wing sources or suffering from gray matter slowness. Yes, you are correct. Attacking and scape gloating the media is another sign of weak leadership. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Post by macster on Mar 16, 2020 6:00:17 GMT -8
You are confused. He called the left wing media response to the health crisis and administration actions a Hoax for politicizing it, not the Wuhan virus. Some people just cannot be helped from viewing and reading the propaganda from leftist and right wing sources or suffering from gray matter slowness. Yes, you are correct. Attacking and scape gloating the media is another sign of weak leadership. Thanks for pointing it out. The leftist MSDNC's have been attacking him unfairly since he descended from the Trump Tower announcing His candidacy and so has the deep state. Proven facts! And its no wonder that both the leftist press, the DNC and the deep state actors have a lot to lose. This president has done more good for the USA in 3 years than any president in the last 35 years. You just don't agree.. So be it.
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Post by silkstone on Mar 16, 2020 6:12:04 GMT -8
Yes, you are correct. Attacking and scape gloating the media is another sign of weak leadership. Thanks for pointing it out. The leftist MSDNC's have been attacking him unfairly since he descended from the Trump Tower announcing His candidacy and so has the deep state. Proven facts! And its no wonder that both the leftist press, the DNC and the deep state actors have a lot to lose. This president has done more good for the USA in 3 years than any president in the last 35 years. You just don't agree.. So be it. Yes, you are correct that I don’t agree. As of right now this president has presided over the largest stock market loss in history, consistently attacked the free media like nixon, befriended brutal dictators, played more golf, been impeached by congress and tweeted himself into history. Trust me, he will be gone in six months and he will not be remembered well.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 16, 2020 10:56:36 GMT -8
Thanks for posting these two excellent video clips, deasys! When the AFB Trumpsters complain about the horrible, awful, terrible, biased MSM telling lies about their hero, it's nice to be able to point out that Trump is more than happy to expose his ineptitude and failures in front of video cameras so nice folks can make compilation clips such as these, allowing us all to review his lies and failures in chronological order.
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