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Post by benoir on Mar 29, 2020 19:19:30 GMT -8
A little more of the interview. I wish they had him on for 2 hours. He is a remarkable human (windows aside). 🙂 youtu.be/A71lfXrQlxUYeah, an amazing person - and articulate and measure, he's widely read and I suspect he really does understand what he's talking about. I suspect in the long run he will be remembered more for his humanitarian work than for his time at microsoft. What he and his foundation are doing now will have a more enduring impact on the world.
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Post by zzmac on Mar 29, 2020 19:23:54 GMT -8
A little more of the interview. I wish they had him on for 2 hours. He is a remarkable human (windows aside). 🙂 youtu.be/A71lfXrQlxUYeah, an amazing person - and articulate and measure, he's widely read and I suspect he really does understand what he's talking about. I suspect in the long run he will be remembered more for his humanitarian work than for his time at microsoft. What he and his foundation are doing now will have a more enduring impact on the world. Without question! Maybe doing more for humanity than any single person.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 29, 2020 19:24:44 GMT -8
I spent a couple or hours talkng to my nephew today. He is in charge of a COVID-19 floor for a small hospital in Connecticut, about 120 mile from NYC. I learned a lot about what is happening and what needs to be done. First let me tell you about this guy. He comes from a family of doctors, Both his father and older brother are M.D.'s and his older sister is a Ph.D in cancer research. He was on his way to a lucrative Wall Street career while working on a Ph.D in Geography when he decided to do his second Outward Bound course in the North Cascades. I had always encouraged him to hike and climb and we spend a couple of weeks together climbing in Yosemite. After the OB course, he told me that he had spend a lot of the time taking care of the other participants and discovered that no matter what was bothering him physically, he couldn't feel it if he was helping others. This moved him profoundly and he went back to NYC and negotiated a way to keep his job while working as an EMT. He did both jobs for a couple of years, including during 911, before deciding to quit his job and go to med school. This guy is the toughest kid I know. A fearless climber, a hard worker and as other-focussed as anyone I have met. He entered med school in his 30's and graduated two years later. After completing his residency, he passed his boards and began working at a hospital in Connecticut. When the Corona virus first appeared, the hospital decided to create a floor dedicated to it. He, of course volunteered to run it. Forgive my digressions, but I want you to get a sense of the kind of courage this guy has. He is voluntarily putting himself in harm's way for others. Really inspiring story, bud777. Thanks for sharing it. Easy to see why you're proud of your nephew. If I may further digress, I want to say a few words in the defense of JDSoCal. If I read J.D.'s posts with a filter that removes the political bias, I see an underlying message that people should not panic about COVID-19. While the pandemic is serious and our response has shown some serious bureaucratic errors at every level, I believe that he has been saying that the panic may be a greater problem than the virus. When someone is saying, "don't panic" they should not be criticized as diminishing the underlying problem.And I can't read J.D.'s posts with a filter that *removes* the political bias. Do I criticize our president about his failures to respond to this crisis just because I want him to lose the election in November? Do I hope for hundreds of thousands of Americans to die so it will *insure* him losing? Absolutely not. That, however, is the implication coming from the Trump supporters on AFB, including J.D. The fact of the matter is that no one knows for sure how this will play out over the next few months...not Trump...not Dr. Fauci and certainly not J.D. Properly responding to this crisis is the one situation for which every American should be hoping that Trump will do everything possible to save American lives. But anyone who can't acknowledge that almost two months have been squandered with continuously unwarranted optimism and bad leadership decisions is viewing the coronavirus pandemic with a political bias,IMO. That's why the country shutdowns(shelter in place) were not coordinated at the Federal level but instead only accomplished by pro-active governors and mayors who had to pick up the slack. I give J.D. credit for not hoping Obama would crash the country when he was president, so it would be nice if that credit was returned when contemplating thousands of American deaths while Trump is president. I would be the first one to criticize anyone who rooted for Trump to fail to protect American citizens. No competent leader is telling people to panic. But that's much different than telling people things will be fine by Easter..today changed to April 30.This was really brought home in my conversation with my nephew. The major problem we are facing today is the inability to test. That is the bottleneck. The ER's are flooded with prople who are cared that they have the virus. Even if they do not fear for themselves, thsy do not want to pass it on to their loved ones. When they come to the E.R., The ER can give them a test but with the panic, it takes 4 days to get the results. IT ids not the shortage of test kits, it is the delay in processing the is the problem. They admit the patient until the results are back. This means that for four days, they have to put on gowns, masks, gloves and take all the precautions they would if they knew the patient was infected. Despite that, they have sent home patients before the 4 days, who turned out to be positive. He praises his staff, especially the nurses for the way they have responded. I could not be more proud of him. I have to say that he changed my thinking. I feel the same sense of urgency, but I think we need to see leadership now centered on developing the lab processing capability. And how long has the inability to quickly test for coronavirus *been* the bottleneck? It's certainly not a recent development. Any push to obtain that that capability in March, could have and should have been made in early February. I've been reading about the lack of test kits for well over a month so most know that's not a new problem. Now I realize that this item is from CNN and therefore could be labeled, Fake News, but the quote from the Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo certainly makes it sound like the U.S. sent "masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials" to China back on February 7th. This from an administration whose president told governors to step up efforts to get medical supplies: President Donald Trump on Thursday put the onus on governors to obtain the critical equipment their states need to fight the coronavirus pandemic, telling reporters that the federal government is “not a shipping clerk” for the potentially life-saving supplies.Trump administration sent protective medical gear to China while he minimized the virus threat to US(CNN)Our doctors and nurses are in desperate need of masks, gloves and other personal protective equipment (PPE) to protect themselves from contracting the coronavirus while treating those who are ill. Some of them are trying to find it on eBay while others are pleading for help on social media.
The situation is so dire one New Jersey doctor described it as "sending medical professionals like lambs to the slaughterhouse." Concerns about a dwindling supply of PPE are not new. Back on February 7, the World Health Organization sounded alarm bells about "the limited stock of PPE," noting demand was 100 times higher than normal for this equipment. Yet the same day as the WHO warning, the Trump administration announced that it was transporting to China nearly 17.8 tons (more than 35,000 pounds) of "masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials." As Secretary of State Mike Pompeo noted in the press release announcing this shipment, "These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people." Americans indeed are a generous people. We want to help those in need. And at the time these medical supplies were shipped, more than 28,000 people in China were infected with nearly 600 deaths attributed to the virus. But how could Trump allow tons of vital medical equipment Americans might need to be transported to another country in February if, as he has claimed since January, he fully understood the risk the United States was facing from the virus? As a reminder, the first known case of coronavirus case on US soil was confirmed by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on January 21, 2020.OK, JD you were right on this one, you can punch me in the mouth as soon as I take off my mask. Stay safe, and Stay home No, he wasn't right on this one. The whole idea should have been to minimize exposure to coronavirus by preparing for the worst...and we, as a country didn't do that. To this point, we've seen a failure of our country's leadership to do the correct and safest thing for its citizens. Can anyone justify allowing Florida to keep its beaches open for Spring Break or any of the multitude of other lax requirements throughout the country? " President Donald Trump acknowledged Sunday for the first time that deaths in the United States from coronavirus could reach 100,000 or more, adding that if the death toll stays at or below 100,000, "we all together have done a very good job." I'd really like to hear *anyone* try to support that statement.
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Post by hledgard on Mar 29, 2020 19:58:46 GMT -8
I think JD has it right, really right.
Why would we close the country, with wild and strong consequences, over a virus that is in the same category as a flu.
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Post by zzmac on Mar 29, 2020 20:00:45 GMT -8
I think JD has it right, really right. Why would we close the country, with wild and strong consequences, over a virus that is in the same category as a flu. Do you live in a cave?
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Post by zzmac on Mar 29, 2020 20:08:13 GMT -8
Two people are responsible for the “widespread” pandemic known as covid-19 according to 60 Minutes. youtu.be/pEQcvcyzQGEI pray for your country. Stay safe.
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walterwhite
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Post by walterwhite on Mar 29, 2020 20:56:19 GMT -8
paging our chief resident epidemiologist, JDSoCal any update on thinking jd? everyone still a deluded bunch of pessimists? what number would make you change your mind (currently 2x your upper limit of deaths) AFB covid deaths pollThat's neat Walter, how you jump between concerned virtue signaler, scolding those of us want to throw grandmas under the bus to save the economy one minute, and "neener neener haha you lost the AFB dead pool!" the next minute. Very dexterous. If I had known that the Democrat bozos in NY were going to totally screw the pooch in the densest region in America, I might have guessed higher in the dead pool.
ah, got it, virtue signalers and dem bozos in ny... thanks, buddy! i got my answers... and hey, look, those futures turned green for a moment! let's celebrate!!!
i only wish your students knew some of the stuff you post here.... as a fellow educator, i know what it means to shape a young mind, but also the dangers of the "god complex" of always having the right answer, even on subjects where you have zero expertise
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Post by aaplsauce on Mar 29, 2020 21:13:39 GMT -8
hledgard, the behavior you described about yourself in an earlier post in this thread regarding the virus is ignorant, irresponsible, reckless, and criminal. You likely will never know how many innocent people you may have killed by behaving this way, and it's obvious you don't really care. Please seek out a responsible adult that might keep you away from other humans for the rest of this year. It's also clear by your last post, that you have no interest in educating yourself about the facts of Covid 19. And those that liked your post(s) should be ashamed as well. Humans at their worst. Wake up!
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Post by walterwhite on Mar 29, 2020 21:18:12 GMT -8
I spent a couple or hours talkng to my nephew today. He is in charge of a COVID-19 floor for a small hospital in Connecticut, about 120 mile from NYC. ... the panic may be a greater problem than the virus. ... This was really brought home in my conversation with my nephew. The major problem we are facing today is the inability to test. That is the bottleneck. The ER's are flooded with people who are scared that they have the virus. ... He praises his staff, especially the nurses for the way they have responded. I could not be more proud of him. I have to say that he changed my thinking. I feel the same sense of urgency, but I think we need to see leadership now centered on developing the lab processing capability.
kudos to your nephew, and let's hope the mess of NYC never arrives at his hospital's doorstep... 120 miles is far enough from NYC that it might feel like NYC is as far as italy... so for a balanced take, i'd encourage you to read some first-person reports from doctors and nurses in NYC or Italy (there's plenty eg on twitter)... the desperation, frustration and fear are palpable. just as clear is how different this is from the flu, and the insane amount of suffering and fear that patients on ventilators, separated from loved ones, face
agree 100% on lack of tests being the bottleneck.
disagree 100% on the lesson you derive from it ("don't panic") - it logically does not follow, or as they say in latin, non sequitur.
lack of tests just means people have to be that much more careful not to spread the disease and practice social distancing, while testing capacity improves... those people scared they have covid in the ER?! many of them might well have it!
italy has almost 100k cases and almost 11k deaths now (over 10% mortality, horrendous )... is it because everybody panicked??!! or is it because people did not panic enough and did not take it seriously?
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 29, 2020 21:25:30 GMT -8
Weren't we all exposed to the flu this Winter. Did anyone stay home because of it? Yes, some people stay home from it, whether they do a good job of staying home anytime they get sick (both because they feel like crap, and they don't want to spread it to others they know and don't know), or it happens to hit them harder. I don't normally get hit by various sicknesses very badly, but there have been a few over the last decade that hit me hard enough to wish I didn't have it. OTOH, now with a family of 5, I can do the scientific thing of seeing who a sickness strikes, and seeing how it does. 2 years ago, known to have a bad flu strain, it played out at xmas when visiting the family, as it seems to often do. Something about a set holiday makes people fly or attend, even if they are sick. Quite the petri dish in the making. Get your agar ready. Anyways, my wife and one of my daughters got it while we were visiting, and it hit them hard. My wife was out for something like 6 days, which is tough when she was the primary cook for the group of 18. My daughter had it for 3 days. We decided to come straight home instead of visiting my parents, but that's when it hit both me and my other daughter. And, crazy thing, there's a reason why they sometimes list nausea as a symptom. It turns out that's more common in kids, and sure enough my 7 year old was puking at the side of the highway, when we were only an hour from home. There's not much you can do, pulled over on the side of a highway in the dark, when your kid is puking repeatedly. But she and I were lucky. It was only a 24 hour thing for us. In fact, she wanted to jump into the Thai food we got 30 minutes later, where we had to quickly change our sit-down plans to a to-go order. My son never got it, or at least never had symptoms, even being at the relatives and in the car for 8+ hours with the 4 of us. On all of these things, it hits different people differently. The problem with COVID-19 is that it's both very easy to pass along, and it is more deadly. By themselves, that isn't too bad. The initial specs don't sound great, but the percent of people dying from it is "only" 10x to 50x greater. That's not great news, but it's not something super deadly like Ebola. But, when combined with being very easily transmitted, it makes it pretty bad. This isn't mankind ending, but it's pretty ugly. Bad enough that globally everyone is trying to come on board to stop it. Do your part. Stay home, especially if you actually think you have been exposed. Most states have issued "stay at home" orders or closed non-essential businesses, including places like Ohio that don't have huge outbreaks: governor.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/governor/media/news-and-media/ohio-issues-stay-at-home-order-and-new-restrictions-placed-on-day-cares-for-childrenThis isn't something to panic over (meaning fighting over the last bag of rice at the store), but limiting your exposure by staying home, and following the advice of the CDC and your local/state/federal government, is important. Especially if you are older as your profile says, since this particular strain is much worse the older you are. In Italy the median age of those getting sick was (as of a few days ago) around 60, but the median age of those passing away from it was 80.5 for men (83.x for women). Please do your part. And, if you get it, I hope its symptoms are mild for you. Being put on a respirator as your lungs stop working does not sound like a pleasant way to go, especially if you are then taken off the respirator to give it to someone with a statistically better chance. (and yes, with the path of things and no magical change for the better over the weekend, I agree with WW that I expect on the financial side of things that there will be more downside.)
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Post by walterwhite on Mar 29, 2020 21:28:54 GMT -8
I think JD has it right, really right. Why would we close the country, with wild and strong consequences, over a virus that is in the same category as a flu.
hledgard, you gotta make up your mind, man... is JD right? or is Trump right?
"Trump extends social distancing guidelines through April 30 to keep US coronavirus death toll below 100,000"
jd: ....guessed death toll would be below 1k ....was against any kind of social distancing or closing down locales from the start, the whole thing overblown
trump: ....wants to prevent 100k+ death toll ....extends social distancing measures to april 30 even though he said a few days ago he wanted packed churches by easter
maybe your beloved trump got abducted by aliens bad-bad democrats and underwent some basic education chinese style re-education? jd for president!
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Post by silkstone on Mar 30, 2020 1:15:39 GMT -8
Brokerage Thoughts? My Bank is shutting down its Investment Division and transferring all Brokerage AC's to Schwab. I also in addition to my AAPL/IRA holdings have a small overseas position with Fidelity. i have been happy with the Fidelity AC and was thinking of just transferring all my Accounts to Fidelity rather than Schwab, but wondered if anyone has had any experience with either in terms of both Service and compatibility of use on the Mac and or IOS Devices? TIA, The Crazy One.... I use fidelity with Apple products and have had no issues. Fidelity has great customer service, security and i trust them.
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Post by Dave on Mar 30, 2020 2:51:56 GMT -8
Brokerage Thoughts? My Bank is shutting down its Investment Division and transferring all Brokerage AC's to Schwab. I also in addition to my AAPL/IRA holdings have a small overseas position with Fidelity. i have been happy with the Fidelity AC and was thinking of just transferring all my Accounts to Fidelity rather than Schwab, but wondered if anyone has had any experience with either in terms of both Service and compatibility of use on the Mac and or IOS Devices? TIA, The Crazy One.... I use fidelity with Apple products and have had no issues. Fidelity has great customer service, security and i trust them. The same here. No complaints.
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Post by macster on Mar 30, 2020 3:20:17 GMT -8
I think JD has it right, really right. Why would we close the country, with wild and strong consequences, over a virus that is in the same category as a flu.
hledgard, you gotta make up your mind, man... is JD right? or is Trump right?
"Trump extends social distancing guidelines through April 30 to keep US coronavirus death toll below 100,000"
jd: ....guessed death toll would be below 1k ....was against any kind of social distancing or closing down locales from the start, the whole thing overblown
trump: ....wants to prevent 100k+ death toll ....extends social distancing measures to april 30 even though he said a few days ago he wanted packed churches by easter
maybe your beloved trump got abducted by aliens bad-bad democrats and underwent some basic education chinese style re-education? jd for president!
On Thursday, Fauci confirmed the death rate dropped to 0.28 and will probably continue to drop closer to common flu mortality rate. Yesterday we had 18,882 new confirmed cases in the US, which is 570 cases less than Saturday's 19,452 and only 191 cases more than Friday's 18,691 We also had 264 new deaths, which is almost half of Saturday's 525, 136 less than Friday's 400, and 4 less than Thursday's 268. Your doom and gloom TDS attitude will be remembered here.
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Post by macster on Mar 30, 2020 3:36:13 GMT -8
Italy's trajectory vs ours People say wait 2 weeks. This doesn't look to me like we are trending toward 170 deaths per million in 2 weeks. Data is from www.worldometers.info/
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Post by macster on Mar 30, 2020 3:39:33 GMT -8
Here’s another better chart from world meters.com I’d say the US response has been very successful to date.
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Post by silkstone on Mar 30, 2020 5:29:56 GMT -8
I think JD has it right, really right. Why would we close the country, with wild and strong consequences, over a virus that is in the same category as a flu.
hledgard, you gotta make up your mind, man... is JD right? or is Trump right?
"Trump extends social distancing guidelines through April 30 to keep US coronavirus death toll below 100,000"
jd: ....guessed death toll would be below 1k ....was against any kind of social distancing or closing down locales from the start, the whole thing overblown
trump: ....wants to prevent 100k+ death toll ....extends social distancing measures to april 30 even though he said a few days ago he wanted packed churches by easter
maybe your beloved trump got abducted by aliens bad-bad democrats and underwent some basic education chinese style re-education? jd for president!
Wow, these folks are really slow on the uptake. Even the coronavirus president has finally figured it out.
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Post by Dave on Mar 30, 2020 6:52:35 GMT -8
A little more of the interview. I wish they had him on for 2 hours. He is a remarkable human (windows aside). 🙂 youtu.be/A71lfXrQlxUI posted a reply Here
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Post by macster on Mar 30, 2020 7:09:50 GMT -8
hledgard, you gotta make up your mind, man... is JD right? or is Trump right?
"Trump extends social distancing guidelines through April 30 to keep US coronavirus death toll below 100,000"
jd: ....guessed death toll would be below 1k ....was against any kind of social distancing or closing down locales from the start, the whole thing overblown
trump: ....wants to prevent 100k+ death toll ....extends social distancing measures to april 30 even though he said a few days ago he wanted packed churches by easter
maybe your beloved trump got abducted by aliens bad-bad democrats and underwent some basic education chinese style re-education? jd for president!
Wow, these folks are really slow on the uptake. Even the coronavirus president has finally figured it out. I think the President is playing it safe and following the worst case scenario’s as advised by his advisors. Stop fighting it silkstone. Edit: if this were Killery making these decisions instead of a Trump you’d be singing her praises and we’ve be God forbid the opposition or sitting on the fence.
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Post by zzmac on Mar 30, 2020 7:16:34 GMT -8
A little more of the interview. I wish they had him on for 2 hours. He is a remarkable human (windows aside). 🙂 youtu.be/A71lfXrQlxUI posted a reply HereI posted your reply here.
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Post by pauls on Mar 30, 2020 7:53:30 GMT -8
I posted your reply here. Lol
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 30, 2020 10:26:23 GMT -8
I just go everywhere. Believe the cat is out of the bag. Believe I have been exposed, and everyone soon will be too. Weren't we all exposed to the flu this Winter. Did anyone stay home because of it? Supposedly about 17,000 die of the flu each year. I pray that Covid-19 is no worse. (I could be wrong on all this. Just my current take. Sweden has not shut it's country down.) Sorry hledgard, it looks like I and others might have jumped to conclusions, partly due to the fear and panic that's hitting many. If it's affecting those that normally have clear heads, think of the people that don't normally manage such. In rereading your post, you don't actually say that you have the virus, symptoms of the virus, or have a clear feeling that you have been directly exposed to it. I hope that that is true. You might feel offhand that because this is spreading so quickly that you, and everyone, has already been exposed. Without a marker or some way to really track the exposure, we really don't know. But we do know that it is transmitted very easily, and some of the studies of it being transmitted massively such as the party in CT, and the bar in Austria, shows that with the spread of people and their traveling habits, one event can quickly spread the virus massively. I wish you, like everyone, luck in dealing with this. Stay calm, but stay at home as much as possible. Aaron
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