Post by phoebear611 on Jan 11, 2013 18:01:03 GMT -5
The point is that it is MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL ... they just need to figure out the split here but AAPL should be able to be creative in a myriad of ways. There is no reason this should not happen - DEFINITELY in 2013 - and quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens sooner rather than later given what seems to be a flurry of activity and press....WAG.
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I also have some Feb '13 425-450 BCS. Purchased in Nov/Dec at average price of 21-something. What do I do with those?
Mark, sorry, did not read this until now. IMHO, those *should* be fine, but no one can predict the future and all that. I've been burned so many times by front month options -- even those that I considered ultra-conservative/ safe -- that I am waaay too risk averse (gun shy) to hold anything expiring anytime soon. Extra wiggle room gives me more time to be right.
Bryan, VERY glad it's worked out for you holding your JAN'13 450/500s this long. Not a risk this chicken is willing to take.
I'm with Mace re: my preference to "risk a little to make a lot" versus "risking a lot to make a little."
Last Edit: Jan 11, 2013 18:03:03 GMT -5 by lovemyipad
A few of us are working on an App that breaks daily change in OI by Expiry AND Strike. This effort is part of my P/C Ratio analysis (what's the big boys doing with their money?). I received first efforts today.
Since China Mobile has an HK subsidiary or something, maybe that'll be the first clue. It's also China Mobile's first LTE market, having opened last month.
IMHO, there's no real need to forge an agreement until LTE gets going for China Mobile, unless some huge quantity of competitors' TD-LTE compatible smartphones are flooding the market (or will very soon).
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First is my belief that this price depression is not caused by one thing but many factors. On the other hand once they have expired it certainly can't hurt.
Second is how are these option holders keeping the price depressed? I am not in the price manipulation camp given the low short interest, huge capital required to manipulate, institutional ownership only stands at 66% and simply other targets are less risky to manipulate.
Third and I don't mean to be flippant but so what happens after the expiration? I'm not pollyannaish in that we all wake up the day after and all those ex holders of $600 start buying and push the price up.
I'm certainly not saying all this is or is not so and that expiration date is in fact a positive, but going to my first point this drop is probably not the result of 1 thing and to put all hopes in 1 thing has been proven many times to be a setup for disappointment. I do view the expiration date just another piece of wall being brought down that make a rise in price less resistant and more likely.
Many factors combine to influence sentiment, which influences supply and demand, which dictates price movement.
The debate over "manipulation" is one of semantics. Equities are hedged with options and vice-versa. Institutions hedge long equities with options (sell calls or buy puts). Hedge funds hedge long/short equities with options (sell calls or sell puts). Commercial traders and market makers hedge short options with long/short stock. Retail mostly speculates with options, most buying calls.
Institutional ownership has fallen approximately 3%.
When equity buyers hold out for lower prices, prices fall. When equity sellers hold out for higher prices, prices rise.
Last Edit: Jan 11, 2013 19:16:09 GMT -5 by lovemyipad
Today at 3:01am, greggthurman wrote: Posted this under Thursday as well (last post of day Pacific Stand Time?).
As of the Close Wednesday Jan 9, the ratio of new Puts to new Calls dropped to .14:1. This at the same time that the total number of new options written declined (the decline was due to the dramatic drop off in new Puts).
I have not seen this before, but interpret it as VERY bullish.
I'll have Thursday Closing Put/Call data at the Open this morning. It's only 6:30 hours away, but I'll be there.
Gregg - How do you know this is bullish? The SeekiingAlpha post someone linked to today (http://seekingalpha.com/author/joe-springer/articles) suggests that the volume of calls in the fall was actually a BEARISH sign for the price action in the next 2 months...
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