Dave
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Post by Dave on May 20, 2020 2:02:50 GMT -8
Good morning. Pre-market is green this morning, +$3.13 at this moment, and climbing. Will today be a repeat of yesterday’s chart?
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Post by chinacat on May 20, 2020 6:15:21 GMT -8
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Post by hyci004 on May 20, 2020 9:36:48 GMT -8
I’m curious if this works on all iOS version or just n-1. “When they unlock their phones, the keycode is stored in a text file which can then be extracted. As a result, law enforcement can log into the phone on their own. Hide UI also disables airplane mode and stops anyone from wiping the device.“
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Post by silkstone on May 20, 2020 9:52:45 GMT -8
Meanwhile back at the ranch, Apple and the market’s are killing it on a day to day basis. How long can this go on in the face of all this coronavirus gloom and doom. Make that money while we can boys and girls.
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Post by 4aapl on May 20, 2020 10:02:52 GMT -8
I’m curious if this works on all iOS version or just n-1. “When they unlock their phones, the keycode is stored in a text file which can then be extracted. As a result, law enforcement can log into the phone on their own. Hide UI also disables airplane mode and stops anyone from wiping the device.“ It's all a game about what is allowed. Thinking like the Die Hard movies, if you knew 100% that the person planted bombs that were going off in an hour, and the iPhone had the locations, you'd want to know. The problem is when you are only mostly certain, and while staying within the law. I don't know the law on these things, and so would only be guessing. You could force a passcode request by restarting, or by trying too many times with face id or a bad fingerprint. And you'd have a start at the passcode, based on the finger prints or a video of the login, if you have the CSI/NCIS type level of support. OTOH we've heard that masks and finger prints can be made. I would think a fingerprint would be the easiest, especially if you can book the person. But that's just me guessing, during a quiet time for news on AAPL. It's nice to see 318 yet again. This is the 3rd or 4th day now. While I'm tempted to take a little off the table due to expected continued unknowns and volatility, hitting it this many times seems to be supportive.
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Post by Lstream on May 20, 2020 10:06:31 GMT -8
Meanwhile back at the ranch, Apple and the market’s are killing it on a day to day basis. How long can this go on in the face of all this coronavirus gloom and doom. Make that money while we can boys and girls. Interesting that you posted this now. PED has a story on institutional money moving back into Apple. Katy Huberty is the impetus for the story.
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Post by silkstone on May 20, 2020 10:20:34 GMT -8
Meanwhile back at the ranch, Apple and the market’s are killing it on a day to day basis. How long can this go on in the face of all this coronavirus gloom and doom. Make that money while we can boys and girls. Interesting that you posted this now. PED has a story on institutional money moving back into Apple. Katy Huberty is the impetus for the story. Yep, I guess I’m just amazed that the market can take all of thes positive Apple factors into account while ignoring the 800 lb elephant in the room. But, I’m glad it is. It makes a buy and hold strategy for Apple stock look that much smarter.
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Post by Lstream on May 20, 2020 10:27:27 GMT -8
Interesting that you posted this now. PED has a story on institutional money moving back into Apple. Katy Huberty is the impetus for the story. Yep, I guess I’m just amazed that the market can take all of thes positive Apple factors into account while ignoring the 800 lb elephant in the room. But, I’m glad it is. It makes a buy and hold strategy for Apple stock look that much smarter. You and me both. We have years of media and investor hysteria with fabricated hit pieces on Apple, every time Tim Cook has a hangnail. And we watch the stock get hammered because of it. Then we have a legit elephant in the room, and Apple is all of a sudden in favor everywhere. It makes for a difficult adjustment in thinking for sure.
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Post by 4aapl on May 20, 2020 10:47:46 GMT -8
Yep, I guess I’m just amazed that the market can take all of thes positive Apple factors into account while ignoring the 800 lb elephant in the room. But, I’m glad it is. It makes a buy and hold strategy for Apple stock look that much smarter. You and me both. We have years of media and investor hysteria with fabricated hit pieces on Apple, every time Tim Cook has a hangnail. And we watch the stock get hammered because of it. Then we have a legit elephant in the room, and Apple is all of a sudden in favor everywhere. It makes for a difficult adjustment in thinking for sure. The difference is that the elephant isn't just sitting on AAPL, instead hitting the whole market. If you had to put money into the market, today or over the last two months, what would you pick. Online shopping, streaming entertainment, remote work and schooling aids, and medical have all done well. Then there's the tier I see Apple in, of mildly aided to neutral. Then neutral. And then those hurt by it, a little or a lot. No one really knowns what will happen, as far as how quickly the economy will get going, how long it will take to get to 80%-100%, and what areas will be negatively affected for a long time. And a lot has to do with psychology, of how many people will go back to what they did before, and how quickly. But, IMO Apple should be hit less than most, and maybe even get a small boost. More folks at home, using their hardware more, may help push an upgrade or addition for those that can afford it. And from past statistics, Apples marketshare is more likely to be able to afford it, even in dour times. I see scenarios both ways, but it looks like Apple should at least do better than the average company, and so that funnels more its way. Maybe not as much as Amazon or SHOP or biotech that possibly has the magic ticket, but a little more than average, and so AAPL is down 4% or so from it's peak, whereas the S&P is down 12%...and both are better than I would have guessed from a month ago. (This is AAPL's 3rd day above 318, and 6th day above 315, in the recent past. It would be nice to have a close above 318)
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Post by Ted on May 20, 2020 11:53:24 GMT -8
Well, I hope there's no backlash from this. I fear Tim'll be called a cheapskate and a greedy pig-dog if this rumor proves true - that there'll be no EarPods included w/ the iPhone 12. I can just see it now, from Forbes: "Sagging Sales Push Apple to Skimp & Force Users to Buy AirPods" #EarPodGate 🙄 www.cnet.com/news/apple-may-drop-earpods-from-iphone-12-box-analyst-says/#ftag=CAD590a51eHappy green day to all. Edit: Another article I read on this, from AppleInsider?, claimed this move would dramatically drive AirPod sales, fwiw.
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Post by chinacat on May 20, 2020 12:01:54 GMT -8
Well, I hope there's no backlash from this. I fear Tim'll be called a cheapskate and a greedy pig-dog if this rumor proves true - that there'll be no EarPods included w/ the iPhone 12. I can just see it now, from Forbes: "Sagging Sales Push Apple to Skimp & Force Users to Buy AirPods" #EarPodGate 🙄 www.cnet.com/news/apple-may-drop-earpods-from-iphone-12-box-analyst-says/#ftag=CAD590a51eHappy green day to all. Edit: Another article I read on this, from AppleInsider?, claimed this move would dramatically drive AirPod sales, fwiw. I had the same thought when I read that. Obviously, there is a substantial difference in the cost to Apple between AirPods and the ear buds that have been previous included. I just wonder whether the reporter heard it wrong and the point was made that AirPods would not be included, just the same old ear buds.
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Post by 4aapl on May 20, 2020 12:11:16 GMT -8
This is AAPL's 3rd day above 318, and 6th day above 315, in the recent past. It would be nice to have a close above 318) Woot woot! $319.23 On the first run to 319 over a week ago, it felt before its time, compared to the market. It still feels early compared to the overall economic unknowns, but this time it feels about right when compared to the rest of the market.
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Post by 4aapl on May 20, 2020 12:16:39 GMT -8
Well, I hope there's no backlash from this. I fear Tim'll be called a cheapskate and a greedy pig-dog if this rumor proves true - that there'll be no EarPods included w/ the iPhone 12. I can just see it now, from Forbes: "Sagging Sales Push Apple to Skimp & Force Users to Buy AirPods" #EarPodGate 🙄 www.cnet.com/news/apple-may-drop-earpods-from-iphone-12-box-analyst-says/#ftag=CAD590a51eHappy green day to all. Edit: Another article I read on this, from AppleInsider?, claimed this move would dramatically drive AirPod sales, fwiw. I had the same thought when I read that. Obviously, there is a substantial difference in the cost to Apple between AirPods and the ear buds that have been previous included. I just wonder whether the reporter heard it wrong and the point was made that AirPods would not be included, just the same old ear buds. I was bugged by this at first, and then I remembered that I have never, ever, used the earphones that came with any of my iPhones in the 9+ years of having them. I'm probably the exception. I don't talk on the phone much, and so I just use it as a phone, or occasionally on speaker, when talking on the phone. OTOH, my wife often uses her EarPods that came with her iPhone. The sad part is that it will likely be similar to the lightning to audio adapter, that does not come with the recent iPhones, where it was probably a $1 or less for Apple to include it, but instead by selling it separate it will be a lot more.
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Post by JDSoCal on May 20, 2020 14:57:23 GMT -8
There is no elephant in the room. The market is well aware of what is happening right now and it’s baked in. Fortunately, this ludicrous lockdown is ending soon, and the market is forward looking and sees growth ahead. Essentially a reset with a new baseline.
Still some great deals out there.
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Post by 4aapl on May 20, 2020 15:06:35 GMT -8
Still some great deals out there. What deals are tempting you? I've been forced to follow the pricing of a few things you would normally think were hedges, but in this case aren't. Oil everyone knows of, though it doesn't affect midstream or downstream as much. Sadly, I was one that kept a tiny little bit in USO, for years, which was an unwise move. And then the front month futures issue a month ago really made it take a beating. It's down 75% from January, and not something I would suggest, though I could be tempted by a little in the oil industry. But then there's Silver. Offhand you'd think it's a hedge, but it's also affected hugely by industrial use, so when the economy slows or shuts, it's not doing well. Not much of a hedge. So, what's tempting out there? The riskiest choices like in-person retail, mall owners, movie theaters, restaurants...they probably have some consolidation and bankruptcies to go through.
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Post by aaplsauce on May 20, 2020 18:18:20 GMT -8
JDSoCal "this ludicrous lockdown is ending soon"
I plan on picking up AAPL shares significantly lower than the current price in 2020.
What do I base this on?
Science...
and human behavior. The uninformed, selfishness, and callous behavior of others I witness on a daily basis regarding the wearing of masks, and proper distancing, will ensure another round of the virus, and the markets will respond accordingly.
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Post by silkstone on May 20, 2020 18:35:31 GMT -8
There is no elephant in the room. The market is well aware of what is happening right now and it’s baked in. Fortunately, this ludicrous lockdown is ending soon, and the market is forward looking and sees growth ahead. Essentially a reset with a new baseline. Still some great deals out there. Yep, I was referring to 37 million people unemployed and how this might play out.
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Post by crispin on May 20, 2020 21:28:58 GMT -8
Closing in on 100,000 dead, 36+ MILLION unemployed, no plan or leadership... I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the US is in pretty tough shape. Believe me I wish it weren't so, I just don't see how we avoid a long and painful recovery.
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Post by david on May 22, 2020 9:02:16 GMT -8
There is no elephant in the room. The market is well aware of what is happening right now and it’s baked in. Fortunately, this ludicrous lockdown is ending soon, and the market is forward looking and sees growth ahead. Essentially a reset with a new baseline. Still some great deals out there. You're back! So, what's the latest mortality index for the U.S.? I remember you pointing it out daily back in march when it hit as low as 1.24%. What is it now? Oh, that's right, I already know. At 12:15 pm PST on May 21, 2020 there are 93,863 Americans dead, killed by Coronavirus and 1,562,714 cases in 'Murica. That's 6.0%. Remember when the first death was reported and you said only 16,999 deaths to go before the U.S. totals would equal flu deaths in a typical year? Ludicrous.
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Post by 4aapl on May 22, 2020 16:05:28 GMT -8
There is no elephant in the room. The market is well aware of what is happening right now and it’s baked in. Fortunately, this ludicrous lockdown is ending soon, and the market is forward looking and sees growth ahead. Essentially a reset with a new baseline. Still some great deals out there. You're back! So, what's the latest mortality index for the U.S.? I remember you pointing it out daily back in march when it hit as low as 1.24%. What is it now? Oh, that's right, I already know. At 12:15 pm PST on May 21, 2020 there are 93,863 Americans dead, killed by Coronavirus and 1,562,714 cases in 'Murica. That's 6.0%. Remember when the first death was reported and you said only 16,999 deaths to go before the U.S. totals would equal flu deaths in a typical year? Ludicrous. If you focus on the number of deaths that happened, while states took a variety of options but most had stay at home orders of varying degrees for varying lengths of time, you still get a number that barely makes a blip in the overall number of deaths per year in the US. www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htmIf you decide to roughly put them all into a 2 month period, and then annualize, you start to get a value that is noticeable. It's still small, at something like 558k vs 2.8M people dying in the US. But it gets close to the 2 highest life takers according to the CDC, Heart Disease and Cancer. But this isn't comparing, as the fitting phrase goes, Apples to Apples. What percent of the US stopped eating fatty food, aside from being forced out of their french fry and burger habit? Versus how many stayed home, social distanced, or somehow changed their ways, by choice or otherwise? We, as a country and as a world population, made changes that made a change in the transmittal rate. If we could make this huge of a unified change on other problems, imagine the dent we could make there! But that's a thread for another place, by a different poster. This is a strange virus, that isn't a huge killer (not a difference by a 10x order of magnitude), but spreads really well. And it's mortality probability is highly age specific, though not absolute. In a way it would be much easier to combat a virus with a higher mortality rate, as it would be easy for all to see the danger. But, just looking at the 93k US deaths so far, it's not a scary number when looking at the overall 2.8+M deaths that happen per year, especially as some are offsetting. Instead, one must take a leap of faith, or use modeling, to guess at how bad things could be if the US, especially in higher density cities and states, did not attempt to combat the spread in the way that they did.
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Post by platon on May 22, 2020 23:27:08 GMT -8
There is no elephant in the room. The market is well aware of what is happening right now and it’s baked in. Fortunately, this ludicrous lockdown is ending soon, and the market is forward looking and sees growth ahead. Essentially a reset with a new baseline. Still some great deals out there. You're back! So, what's the latest mortality index for the U.S.? I remember you pointing it out daily back in march when it hit as low as 1.24%. What is it now? Oh, that's right, I already know. At 12:15 pm PST on May 21, 2020 there are 93,863 Americans dead, killed by Coronavirus and 1,562,714 cases in 'Murica. That's 6.0%. Remember when the first death was reported and you said only 16,999 deaths to go before the U.S. totals would equal flu deaths in a typical year? Ludicrous. Copied to the Dungeon.
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