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Post by chinacat on Jul 18, 2020 5:20:30 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Jul 18, 2020 7:40:37 GMT -8
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Post by hledgard on Jul 18, 2020 11:02:58 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Jul 18, 2020 11:26:49 GMT -8
You are looking at a company that totally failed, from back in 2016. They are even labeling that failed device wrong. It is better thought of virtual reality. Not augmented reality. There was a flock of these guys that burned through crazy amounts of money, and had nothing to show for it. Hype and BS. Microsoft is in the market with Hololens. It is seeing some success. This is an entire virtual experience. One of our customers makes private jets. They have an app for potential customers. You put on that device, and they can show you what your plane will look like with different paint schemes. There are also lots of immersive training experiences. But it is a niche device. However, I don't think this is where Apple is going. Think of a pair of glasses where you cannot tell that they are anything different than regular glasses. Prior threads talked about using these with apps like a heads up display for navigation. I think that such a device has the potential of going mass market.
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Post by 4aapl on Jul 18, 2020 12:55:21 GMT -8
Apple used to be in this arena, with Apple Remote Desktop, Netboot, Netinstall, and Mac Manager. I can't remember 100% anymore, but I think Apple Remote Desktop and Mac Manager could work over wifi. When I was testing this stuff, NetBoot and Netinstall were only for wired networks. I'm unfamiliar with what happened next, but with laptop carts going, wifi in the classroom seemed obvious. I wrote up an enhancement request on doing NetBoot/NetInstall over wifi. The problem was that some thing needed to get going on the system before wifi was live, but it seemed like an easy solution was to change that (ahhh, the benefits of owning the system), or have a mini-system on the HD that got thing moving, and then do the rest over wifi. I haven't kept in contact with people from the server team, but glancing once in a while it looks like things got minimized at some point. This could be Apple getting back in the game, efficiently. Keep in mind that there are subsidiaries of Apple that we rarely hear about. Filemaker is somewhat known. Powerschool is a lot less known. Apple, at least in the past, had huge groups of people that specialized in the educational market. Mike Bombich of Carbon Copy Cloner fame was one of them. We had features or bugs specifically fixed for some of the big edu customers, where you're talking 40,000 macs at University of MIchigan or Minnesota or something. OTOH, if Apple is finally making big enough inroads on business sales, it could be worthwhile to snap something up to help with that. Especially if IT departments feel they are dependent on something, but that maybe it needs a little boost of a few more features. We'll see. Or maybe we'll never hear anything on it. You never know.
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Post by 4aapl on Jul 18, 2020 13:14:14 GMT -8
This is a little tough to pin on Apple, since their gift cards are just being used as the funding. But maybe they could make a support center for just this kind of thing, to help with finding the scammers once they use or sell the data. We watched a long youtube video on this, but where the scammer was getting xbox live cards. The "blackhat" on the other side of the call was scamming the scammer, pretending to be an old lady, using fake card numbers, etc. I won't completely spoil it. It might have been this one. I thought we watched it for over an hour, but this one is only 29 minutes. It was pretty funny, but at the same time showed how these scammers work. www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-p9JkH4RY8This is the more complete one, at 56 minutes, from a nearly 3 hour conversation with the attempted scammer. www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6a0yvRV4pQAnyways, the scammer was wanting xbox live cards, $3k worth, bought from multiple stores to not get anyone too suspicious. Crazy stuff!
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Post by chinacat on Jul 18, 2020 14:00:17 GMT -8
Apple used to be in this arena, with Apple Remote Desktop, Netboot, Netinstall, and Mac Manager. I can't remember 100% anymore, but I think Apple Remote Desktop and Mac Manager could work over wifi. When I was testing this stuff, NetBoot and Netinstall were only for wired networks. I'm unfamiliar with what happened next, but with laptop carts going, wifi in the classroom seemed obvious. I wrote up an enhancement request on doing NetBoot/NetInstall over wifi. The problem was that some thing needed to get going on the system before wifi was live, but it seemed like an easy solution was to change that (ahhh, the benefits of owning the system), or have a mini-system on the HD that got thing moving, and then do the rest over wifi.. What I was wondering about is how Apple does the MDM-like operations for its own staff, since I assume everyone has several mobile devices. Do they have an internal system? I can’t imagine that they would use (or spend the money for) someone else’s products. Since you say “Apple used to be in this arena“ I assume that you meant in the product sense. Did they maintain it for their own use?
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Post by 4aapl on Jul 18, 2020 16:20:08 GMT -8
Apple used to be in this arena, with Apple Remote Desktop, Netboot, Netinstall, and Mac Manager. I can't remember 100% anymore, but I think Apple Remote Desktop and Mac Manager could work over wifi. When I was testing this stuff, NetBoot and Netinstall were only for wired networks. I'm unfamiliar with what happened next, but with laptop carts going, wifi in the classroom seemed obvious. I wrote up an enhancement request on doing NetBoot/NetInstall over wifi. The problem was that some thing needed to get going on the system before wifi was live, but it seemed like an easy solution was to change that (ahhh, the benefits of owning the system), or have a mini-system on the HD that got thing moving, and then do the rest over wifi.. What I was wondering about is how Apple does the MDM-like operations for its own staff, since I assume everyone has several mobile devices. Do they have an internal system? I can’t imagine that they would use (or spend the money for) someone else’s products. Since you say “Apple used to be in this arena“ I assume that you meant in the product sense. Did they maintain it for their own use? At the time I was there, now 14 years ago, individuals didn't have their computers controlled by Apple in any way. Maybe it was different in my area than say finance or marketing, but I doubt it. The network was monitored (people got in trouble and fired for sharing mp3s), and a PC's network connection was monitored more (in one group when I had one, it had to have a registered static IP, but no extra software), but there was no controls on machines. Retail is a whole different beast that I am unfamiliar with, and I don't know what is happening now. Likewise, there really weren't any "devices" at the time, since iPods were still non-apped, and iPhones just got announced. So, things could be entirely different, as a whole or in certain areas. But, I wouldn't think Apple would have changed so much that they would start limited or locking down people's computers in R&D. That would be a hinderance, instead of personal responsibility. Different places have different things. Whether it's having your work move to any computer you log in at, or protecting/controlling computers that lots of people use such as in labs. It just all depends. But I can see in certain areas, where you want to lock down IP on a portable computer or device, and have the ability to erase it. That matches recent years movement by Apple using "Find my iPhone", giving the "wipe it" type option.
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Post by hledgard on Jul 19, 2020 4:14:18 GMT -8
You are looking at a company that totally failed, from back in 2016. They are even labeling that failed device wrong. It is better thought of virtual reality. Not augmented reality. There was a flock of these guys that burned through crazy amounts of money, and had nothing to show for it. Hype and BS. Microsoft is in the market with Hololens. It is seeing some success. This is an entire virtual experience. One of our customers makes private jets. They have an app for potential customers. You put on that device, and they can show you what your plane will look like with different paint schemes. There are also lots of immersive training experiences. But it is a niche device. However, I don't think this is where Apple is going. Think of a pair of glasses where you cannot tell that they are anything different than regular glasses. Prior threads talked about using these with apps like a heads up display for navigation. I think that such a device has the potential of going mass market. Thanks Lstream ! My daughter has a head-up display on her automobile and loves it. I had not thought of this at all.
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Post by chinacat on Jul 19, 2020 7:29:59 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Jul 19, 2020 8:13:10 GMT -8
You are looking at a company that totally failed, from back in 2016. They are even labeling that failed device wrong. It is better thought of virtual reality. Not augmented reality. There was a flock of these guys that burned through crazy amounts of money, and had nothing to show for it. Hype and BS. Microsoft is in the market with Hololens. It is seeing some success. This is an entire virtual experience. One of our customers makes private jets. They have an app for potential customers. You put on that device, and they can show you what your plane will look like with different paint schemes. There are also lots of immersive training experiences. But it is a niche device. However, I don't think this is where Apple is going. Think of a pair of glasses where you cannot tell that they are anything different than regular glasses. Prior threads talked about using these with apps like a heads up display for navigation. I think that such a device has the potential of going mass market. Thanks Lstream ! My daughter has a head-up display on her automobile and loves it. I had not thought of this at all. BTW, I fully get your skepticism when watching that. There is a recurring theme that happens in tech. Some new thing arrives on the scene. Promising some disruption to everything that comes before it. The product only exists in demo form, and is promoted by masters of hype. The press loves anything new with outsized promises. No critical thinking applied. Everyone fawns. The hype cycle is in full gear. People buy one-offs to see what all the buzz is about. The startup believes that this represents actual demand. Some investors get romanced and chase ridiculous valuations. Then later, reality sets in when it becomes necessary to solve an actual need and sell something. Then the implosion happens. Sometime later, if there is merit, real products happen that solve real needs, absent all the ridiculous hype. In this space, I think Apple has a shot at arriving on the scene at the right time, with something that makes sense. So I think your assessment about what you posted was right. Lots of BS and hype. No commercial substance.
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