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Post by 4aapl on Sept 15, 2020 7:43:05 GMT -8
Funny how certain people don't get so worked up about all the analyst targets that are no longer under water when on the downslide. Sometimes analysts are a little more cautious than the bulls. Imagine that. FWIW, those $250's I wrote at just over 10 lost about 2/3rds of their value. Even if AAPL got near it's ATH in short order, I think the frothiness was what brought those prices so high for strikes that needed 40-50% annualized returns to hit. On the "woulda shoulda coulda" front, I wish I wrote those for all of my shares.
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Post by JDSoCal on Sept 15, 2020 9:27:27 GMT -8
Ugh, carbon religion, next topic...
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Post by socal Film Composer on Sept 15, 2020 9:56:43 GMT -8
Super excited about the new watch - the Blood Oxygen and heart rate and ECG functions will move the needle - getting one for the wife 1st who has some heart issues in her family history - also for Covid - blood oxygen level is an important indicator of possible risk.
Also the subscription bundles look FANTASTIC - for us the 2tb iCloud premium bundle, with Music, News, Fitness, TV, and Arcade for 29$ is a no brainer - already paying $3 for 200GB iCloud storage, $15 for music and $5 for news. So only 7$ more for the 2TB plus the rest is a good value proposition - way to go Apple - I think they hit the price points and options very well.
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Post by socal Film Composer on Sept 15, 2020 9:57:39 GMT -8
Also USB C on the new iPad air is very cool and A14 chip - also the new iPad with keyboard options for kids in school is a winner - starting at $329 -
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Post by JDSoCal on Sept 15, 2020 10:16:12 GMT -8
Don't overlook the fitness app integration. There are a ton of businesses trying to do the at home, remote-led exercise thing, especially with Covid. I think a lot of people (like myself) are building home gyms, and they won't be going back to clubs when this silly, tragic covid overreaction is over. Killer* app!
*A few exercise startups just got a really sick feeling in their stomachs with that presentation.
Sell the news as usual, BTFD!
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Sept 15, 2020 10:33:08 GMT -8
Don't overlook the fitness app integration. There are a ton of businesses trying to do the at home, remote-led exercise thing, especially with Covid. I think a lot of people (like myself) are building home gyms, and they won't be going back to clubs when this silly, tragic covid overreaction is over. Killer* app! *A few exercise startups just got a really sick feeling in their stomachs with that presentation. Sell the news as usual, BTFD! Ha I know scientists say exercise is good for you but I don’t buy into that conspiracy theory — I feel better when I sleep in and do what I want and so far I’m healthy — I don’t know why Apple is getting involved in this liberal pro-exercise psuedoscience garbage, just like their attention to reducing their carbon footprint.
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Post by joel90069 on Sept 15, 2020 10:34:54 GMT -8
Except for the "overreaction" to COVID characterization, I agree with with the home fitness angle. Perhaps AAPL should look into buying PTON.
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Post by BillH on Sept 15, 2020 10:37:47 GMT -8
Bought a new watch for the oxygen sensor. I'm pretty sure they should have added an alcohol sensor for us stay at homers.
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Post by Luckychoices on Sept 15, 2020 10:44:55 GMT -8
Don't overlook the fitness app integration. There are a ton of businesses trying to do the at home, remote-led exercise thing, especially with Covid. I think a lot of people (like myself) are building home gyms, and they won't be going back to clubs when this silly, tragic covid overreaction is over. Killer* app! *A few exercise startups just got a really sick feeling in their stomachs with that presentation. Sell the news as usual, BTFD! Ha I know scientists say exercise is good for you but I don’t buy into that conspiracy theory — I feel better when I sleep in and do what I want and so far I’m healthy — I don’t know why Apple is getting involved in this liberal pro-exercise psuedoscience garbage. Yeah, and what's with this recycled aluminum bullshit for their new products? I don't know about everyone else, but if I'm buying a new product from Apple, I want me some fresh, never-used aluminum. Clearly a recycling overreaction by Tim Cook and his liberal buddies, amirite? /sNote: I've been asked by a member, who's also a friend, if my comment about aluminum was serious. It was not...and I'm in the process of seriously reviewing my ability to use sarcasm effectively.
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Post by Lstream on Sept 15, 2020 10:49:18 GMT -8
Don't overlook the fitness app integration. There are a ton of businesses trying to do the at home, remote-led exercise thing, especially with Covid. I think a lot of people (like myself) are building home gyms, and they won't be going back to clubs when this silly, tragic covid overreaction is over. Killer* app! *A few exercise startups just got a really sick feeling in their stomachs with that presentation. Sell the news as usual, BTFD! Ha I know scientists say exercise is good for you but I don’t buy into that conspiracy theory — I feel better when I sleep in and do what I want and so far I’m healthy — I don’t know why Apple is getting involved in this liberal pro-exercise psuedoscience garbage, just like their attention to reducing their carbon footprint. I am going to start a fat lives matter movement and then franchise it. Fame and wealth here I come!
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Post by mark on Sept 15, 2020 11:07:36 GMT -8
Ugh, carbon religion, next topic... It's the excuse for removing power adapters! (I happen to agree with that decision, I probably have 20+ USB power adapters of various types in my house right now)
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Post by JDSoCal on Sept 15, 2020 11:26:21 GMT -8
Peloton loses money. -$2/share of it. But there are some screen-based home gym companies that have good ideas. Like Tonal.
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Post by aaplcrazie on Sept 15, 2020 11:30:55 GMT -8
Bought a new watch for the oxygen sensor. I'm pretty sure they should have added an alcohol sensor for us stay at homers. Bill, I'am a with you....seems to be a very impressive collection of empty wine bottle's in my kitchen.....
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Post by aaplcrazie on Sept 15, 2020 11:38:49 GMT -8
Also am running the IOS 14 Beta on my iPhone and got the Air Pods Pro firmware update working yesterday, started watching "The Beastie Boys Story" with the nu Spatial Audio Wow 🎉🚀 it's was like the Beasties were in my Living Room Very Interglatic Planetary 🌎 Also what's was very cool for me was them discussing the Run-DMC Aerosmith Collaboration on "Walk This Way" and showing some of The Music Video which I worked on...
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Post by duckpins on Sept 15, 2020 12:00:18 GMT -8
Home based gyms? Buy the TQQQ. My cousin wanted to get muscles and he got a scrap iron bar, filled two paint cans with cement and worked out. All this stuff is fluff and not necessary. By the Cubes Google or Apple and let the rest sort itself out. If you want to gamble buy the chinese TSLAs to OLED> Invest with common sense, who is making the money but the top companies in the Cubes?
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Post by JDSoCal on Sept 15, 2020 14:18:20 GMT -8
Home based gyms? Buy the TQQQ. My cousin wanted to get muscles and he got a scrap iron bar, filled two paint cans with cement and worked out. All this stuff is fluff and not necessary. By the Cubes Google or Apple and let the rest sort itself out. If you want to gamble buy the chinese TSLAs to OLED> Invest with common sense, who is making the money but the top companies in the Cubes? You realize you are a stockholder in a company that sells $1000+ phones and $6000+ workstations? There's a lot of money in separating the productive class from their wallets. When my home gym is done, there will easily be $20K in it. Interesting article published today: Smart Home Gyms Are Growing in Popularity
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Post by zebrum on Sept 16, 2020 1:00:55 GMT -8
Don't overlook the fitness app integration. There are a ton of businesses trying to do the at home, remote-led exercise thing, especially with Covid. I think a lot of people (like myself) are building home gyms, and they won't be going back to clubs when this silly, tragic covid overreaction is over. Killer* app! *A few exercise startups just got a really sick feeling in their stomachs with that presentation. Sell the news as usual, BTFD! Overreaction? Take a good look at yourself, that is incredibly insensitive to those of us that have lost loved ones.
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Post by zebrum on Sept 16, 2020 1:07:21 GMT -8
Ha I know scientists say exercise is good for you but I don’t buy into that conspiracy theory — I feel better when I sleep in and do what I want and so far I’m healthy — I don’t know why Apple is getting involved in this liberal pro-exercise psuedoscience garbage. Yeah, and what's with this recycled aluminum bullshit for their new products? I don't know about everyone else, but if I'm buying a new product from Apple, I want me some fresh, never-used aluminum. Clearly a recycling overreaction by Tim Cook and his liberal buddies, amirite? /sNote: I've been asked by a member, who's also a friend, if my comment about aluminum was serious. It was not...and I'm in the process of seriously reviewing my ability to use sarcasm effectively. The first "recycled" aluminium product was actually just using the scraps from machining the MBP unibody
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Post by JDSoCal on Sept 16, 2020 6:21:17 GMT -8
Don't overlook the fitness app integration. There are a ton of businesses trying to do the at home, remote-led exercise thing, especially with Covid. I think a lot of people (like myself) are building home gyms, and they won't be going back to clubs when this silly, tragic covid overreaction is over. Killer* app! *A few exercise startups just got a really sick feeling in their stomachs with that presentation. Sell the news as usual, BTFD! Overreaction? Take a good look at yourself, that is incredibly insensitive to those of us that have lost loved ones. Yes, overreaction. Tens of thousands of people die from flu and we don't close the country down. Is that insensitive? If you are under 65, Covid is pretty much the same death rate as the flu. The governors should have concentrated on protecting the elderly and let the rest of the country live its life. And while I am sorry for your loss, I am not playing the emotional blackmail game. I have a right to my opinion on something affecting all of us, regardless of whether relatives died or not. Especially when you read polls on suicides lately (some as high as 1 in 4 have considered it!). Mankind has evolved to work and be challenged, not sit at home idle. The latter is very bad for the psyche.
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Post by hledgard on Sept 16, 2020 7:09:58 GMT -8
I totally agree. So much of this is political, with no basis on the truth.
Also, a good way to see the effect of the virus is to count excess deaths. The numbers are not as scary.
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Post by Luckychoices on Sept 16, 2020 10:33:41 GMT -8
Overreaction? Take a good look at yourself, that is incredibly insensitive to those of us that have lost loved ones. Yes, overreaction. Tens of thousands of people die from flu and we don't close the country down. Is that insensitive? If you are under 65, Covid is pretty much the same death rate as the flu. The governors should have concentrated on protecting the elderly and let the rest of the country live its life. So far, JD, your guesstimate from March, about the possible number of deaths in the U.S. from COVID-19, has missed the mark by 199,000+, whereas Dr. Fauci is, unfortunately, much closer to the current actual number of U.S. deaths...and we're not done yet...regardless of the number of people that want to "let the rest of the country live its life" before the coronavirus pandemic is behind us. Perhaps nationwide adherence to safe social distancing and wearing masks in public would have allowed us to safely open the country this month, with minimal effect on the nation's health...but now we'll never know. Coronavirus Cases (By Country), As of 09/16/20 U.S.A. Cases: 6,803,754 U.S.A. Deaths: 200,852 I'd suggest that maybe death rates in densely populated countries, states, and cities might not be comparable to other less dense areas. I think the pro-globalist/open borders/densely-populated urban area types have a tough case to make right now. BTW I don't see if it ID's who voted how, so I FYI picked less than 1000. Fauci: U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Could Near 200,000 By Susan Milligan, Senior Politics Writer March 29, 2020, at 11:04 a.m. There are currently more than 2,000 deaths and 124,000 cases of the coronavirus in the U.S., but Fauci expects millions of cases.DEATHS FROM THE coronavirus in the U.S. could be in the hundreds of thousands, leading government immunologist Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday. He said Americans will still need to practice CDC-directed guidelines to avoid the spread of the novel coronavirus, despite earlier White House statements that the "social distancing" and other recommendations could be loosened as soon as this week. While modeling is imperfect and it's difficult to know for sure, "looking at what we are seeing now, I would say between 100,000-200,000" deaths from coronavirus," Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday morning. "We're going to have millions of cases."The warnings came as the U.S. surpassed 2,000 deaths and 124,000 cases of the coronavirus. President Donald Trump backed off an earlier threat to impose a quarantine on New York and the surrounding area, instead saying Saturday night he would ask the CDC to issue a "strong Travel Advisory" to keep people in the virus' hotspots from taking the illness elsewhere. "Quarantine will not be necessary," Trump tweeted. But nor will the country be able to begin reopening, as Trump earlier indicated. The White House issued a "15 days to Slow the Spread" policy March 16, and the deadline for re-evaluation is this week. The administration is also considering loosening restrictions for some areas of the country that have not yet been as hard-hit as New York, California, Washington state and other areas. But Fauci was skeptical. In "my own opinion, looking at the way things are, I doubt if that would be the case," Fauci told CNN. "We're going to be talking about it, but obviously what you see me describe, it's a little iffy there." A month after the first U.S. death from the coronavirus, the death rate in the United States surpassed 2,000 Saturday – double what the death count had been two days previous. Mayors and governors have been pleading with the federal government for help, but some have been fighting with a president who has expressed public anger over what he calls a lack of appreciation by some governors. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California, called for more testing and said the president's failure to take the crisis seriously has worsened the infection and death rate. "The president – his denial at the beginning was deadly. His delaying of getting equipment to where it's needed is deadly ... I don't know what the scientists said to him: When did this president know about this and what did he know?" Pelosi said on CNN. The House Friday did final passage of a $2 trillion coronavirus disaster relief package, but the Speaker was not asked to join Trump at the signing ceremony. Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer says her state is bidding against other states and the federal government for critical equipment, such as masks. "It's a unique situation that we have in our country right now and it's ... creating a lot more problems for all of us," she told CNN. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said the city had enough supplies – except ventilators – to get through April 5, but "we're going to need a reinforcement by Sunday, April 5 in all categories," including medical personnel to treat the ill. Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards, too, said his state would meet its capacity for ventilators by April 5. And a few days after that, hospitals will not have enough beds. "We remain on a trajectory, really, to overwhelm our capacity to deliver health care," the governor, a Democrat, said on ABC's "This Week." Louisiana has received just 192 ventilators, despite putting in an order for 12,000, he said. Whitmer said she was "grateful" for recent help from FEMA and declined to criticize Trump for saying Vice President Mike Pence, who is leading the White House's coronavirus task force, should not call Whitmer or other governors who have been less than appreciative of his efforts. "It's got to be all hands," she said. "I don't have the energy to respond to every slight."
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Post by Luckychoices on Sept 16, 2020 15:35:15 GMT -8
So, sorry about the 7,606 *unnecessary* deaths of those *under* 55? Tough luck? Too bad, so sad? This is America, so let people make their own decisions! Yes, and while we're at it, let's let people make their own decisions on drinking and driving, seatbelts, speed limits, paying taxes, etc. /s Please tell me how well you think that might work. For some reason, the idea of letting "...let people make their own decisions" in the middle of a global pandemic reminds me of blackout requirements during World War II. In this country, for example, people were *forced* to take certain actions for the common good since individual decision making would't be conducive to success. Blackout (wartime)Since the attack on Pearl Harbor, the continental United States was exposed to air attacks while engaging in a war with Japan, such as the bombing of Dutch Harbor, the Lookout Air Raids, and the Fu-Go balloon bombs, but these were considered minor or negligible and did nothing to damage American morale and war effort. Along the Atlantic coast, the lack of a coastal blackout served to silhouette Allied shipping and thus expose them to German submarine attack. Coastal communities resisted the imposition of a blackout for amenity reasons, citing potential damage to tourism. The result was a disastrous loss of shipping, dubbed by German submariners as the "Second Happy Time". Blackouts were held in cities, and along the coastal areas long after any enemy threat existed; the primary purpose was psychological motivation of the civilian population which saw blackouts as a patriotic duty.IMO, it's a national tragedy that present day Americans didn't look at social distancing and wearing mask in public during this coronavirus pandemic as *their* patriotic duty. Actually, I didn't quote Pelosi...you picked her comment out of the article that I included. But since you brought her up, do you suppose Pelosi received the same coronavirus briefing given to Trump in *January*? I do not. And Biden said similar things about Trump being "xenopohibic" when he issued the travel bans. You know, the guy who was VP when Obama took months to declare a H1N1 emergency? Flawed Comparison on Coronavirus, H1N1 Emergency Timelines By Angelo Fichera, Posted on March 31, 2020 Quick Take Facebook posts falsely claim that it “took [President Barack] Obama ‘millions infected and over 1,000 deaths’ to declare the H1N1 flu a health emergency,” but President Donald Trump “declared a health emergency” before the first coronavirus death. In reality, both administrations declared public health emergencies before the first reported deaths.
Full Story We’ve previously dissected President Donald Trump’s faulty comparisons between his response to the novel coronavirus pandemic and former President Barack Obama’s handling of the H1N1 “swine flu” pandemic. But misleading comparisons persist, and recent social media posts twist the facts about the timing of emergency declarations for the two outbreaks. “It took Obama ‘millions infected and over 1,000 deaths’ to declare the H1N1 flu a health emergency,” read a March 29 meme on the verified page of Charlie Kirk, the founder of the conservative youth organization Turning Point USA. But under Trump, “coronavirus was declared a health emergency and public safety measures were in place before a single U.S. death occurred.”
That’s wrong. Both the Obama and Trump administrations declared public health emergencies before the first reported deaths relating to the novel coronavirus and H1N1.
The meme actually compares the point at which Trump declared a *public health* emergency and the point at which Obama issued a *national* emergency — two distinct processes. A spokesman for Turning Point USA acknowledged in an email that its “social media team confused the two different types of emergency declarations.”
A *public health* emergency, declared by the secretary of Department of Health and Human Services, gives the federal government and states certain flexibilities, such as temporarily reassigning personnel, to respond to a major health issue. A *national* emergency declared by the president is more substantial and can provide access to significant sums of federal money and resources.Really? The experts failed him? And you're posting a link to an opinion piece by that completely apolitical person, Marc Thiessen, to illustrate it? 😂 OK, let's go with the experts completely "failing" Trump from January through mid-March. If you'll reference my original post, there's a link to a March 29th article showing the following: *** DEATHS FROM THE coronavirus in the U.S. could be in the hundreds of thousands, leading government immunologist Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday. He said Americans will still need to practice CDC-directed guidelines to avoid the spread of the novel coronavirus, despite earlier White House statements that the "social distancing" and other recommendations could be loosened as soon as this week.
While modeling is imperfect and it's difficult to know for sure, "looking at what we are seeing now, I would say between 100,000-200,000" deaths from coronavirus," Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday morning. "We're going to have millions of cases."*** And, unfortunately, even though the experts "failed" Trump from January through mid-March, the U.S. now has 6,803,754 cases and 200,852 deaths which is close to what was modeled by Dr. Fauci on March 29th. So what steps have been taken since then, at the national level, to eliminate the coronavirus pandemic in this country?======== Again, JD, I'll go with the claim that the experts *completely* failed Trump from January to mid-March, but here's a few comments from Trump in mid-April: On April 13, according to new tapes from both CNN and from Woodward’s appearance on CBS’ late-night show with Stephen Colbert, Trump told the journalist and author of the soon to be released bombshell book Rage that the virus is a “killer” and called it “the plague.” Trump told Woodward that the virus was “easily transmissible” and relayed a story about how a sneeze during an Oval Office meeting in the White House cleared the room. “Bob, it’s so easily transmissible, you wouldn’t even believe it,” Trump said. “I mean, you could be in the room… I was in the White House a couple of days ago, meeting with 10 people in the Oval Office and a guy sneezed, innocently. Not a horrible — just a sneeze. The entire room bailed out, OK? Including me, by the way.”======== So now we have Trump, failed by his own experts in the first few months of the year, holding political rallies during the pandemic. Isn't he concerned about catching the virus? Is he a fearless daredevil, risking his own life to bring his message to his supporter? Trump said in his interview with the Review-Journal that he is not afraid of getting the coronavirus from speaking at an indoor rally. “I’m on a stage and it’s very far away,” Trump said. “And so I’m not at all concerned.”OK, that makes sense. He's far way from the crowd, so he's not worried. But how about his tightly-packed, maskless supporters and their families...friends...coworkers. Should they be concerned...even if they're under 55 years-old? I think we both know the answer to that question.
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Post by hledgard on Sept 16, 2020 17:37:48 GMT -8
I agree with JD ---
"Tens of thousands of people die from flu and we don't close the country down. Is that insensitive? If you are under 65, Covid is pretty much the same death rate as the flu. The governors should have concentrated on protecting the elderly and let the rest of the country live its life."
The key point is this. If you are under 65, the virus is not a big deal. And IN NO WAY does the virus justify the crazy restrictions on the economy, the extreme use of masks, and the creation of absolute fear on millions of normal people. Nursing homes and some areas of hospitals may well have good reason.
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