Dave
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2020 2:56:59 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2020 2:59:44 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2020 3:03:28 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2020 5:02:18 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Dec 8, 2020 5:39:49 GMT -8
Just saw an AirPods max over the ear headphones headline. $549. They must/better be awesome for that price Link
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Post by benoir on Dec 8, 2020 6:38:36 GMT -8
Whoa! $900AU
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Post by macster on Dec 8, 2020 7:30:01 GMT -8
Just saw an AirPods max over the ear headphones headline. $549. They must/better be awesome for that price LinkWish they would make over the ear hearing aids that look that nice. Powerful, smart, loaded with the latest chips and proprietary software for speech recognition, noise cancellation and directionality for $600 instead of the $6000 for those tiny wax job contraptions that you stick in your ears.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 8, 2020 7:40:01 GMT -8
Just saw an AirPods max over the ear headphones headline. $549. They must/better be awesome for that price LinkWish they would make over the ear hearing aids that look that nice. Powerful, smart, loaded with the latest chips and proprietary software for speech recognition, noise cancellation and directionality for $600 instead of the $6000 for those tiny wax job contraptions that you stick in your ears. I tried to get my dad to adopt hearing aids. Total failure. I am not familiar with the state of the art now, so maybe this is a dumb question - do you think over-the-ear is a viable form factor for hearing aids? EDIT - at a minimum, one would think that a “hearing aid mode” would be a great feature in a premium product like this. Along with being a great differentiator
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Post by macster on Dec 8, 2020 7:48:30 GMT -8
Wish they would make over the ear hearing aids that look that nice. Powerful, smart, loaded with the latest chips and proprietary software for speech recognition, noise cancellation and directionality for $600 instead of the $6000 for those tiny wax job contraptions that you stick in your ears. I tried to get my dad to adopt hearing aids. Total failure. I am not familiar with the state of the art now, so maybe this is a dumb question - do you think over-the-ear is a viable form factor for hearing aids? Well........It pretty common to see people everywhere using headphones, so maybe the younger generation would accept the disguised look especially for those that need super power aids. Imo with larger receivers the sound quality would improve without the problems associated with feedback and fit. But I think you’re right, the market ain’t big enough for a product like that, at least at that price point.
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Post by Luckychoices on Dec 8, 2020 9:55:17 GMT -8
Yesterday I upgraded my iMac to the Big Sur OS and noticed an unfamiliar icon at the top of my screen when I was on this site using Safari. After clicking on the icon I saw a list of 17 ad trackers that were prevented from profiling me because of this feature of the new OS. I'm sure many of you are already familiar with this feature because of the many mentions of it over the last 6 months but I've apparently been completely oblivious. For those who are interested, this is short article describing the new feature: Apple will soon show you a list of all the ad trackers trying to follow your activity around the web
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Post by 4aapl on Dec 8, 2020 10:11:18 GMT -8
Yesterday I upgraded my iMac to the Big Sur OS and noticed an unfamiliar icon at the top of my screen when I was on this site using Safari. After clicking on the icon I saw a list of 17 ad trackers that were prevented from profiling me because of this feature of the new OS. I'm sure many of you are already familiar with this feature because of the many mentions of it over the last 6 months but I've apparently been completely oblivious. View AttachmentFor those who are interested, this is short article describing the new feature: Apple will soon show you a list of all the ad trackers trying to follow your activity around the webWow! I'm still on 10.15.7, but Safari has this icon/feature. It showed 0 trackers on pro boards, but on a refresh it showed 15. OTOH, opening the link to the business insider article, that page had 76 trackers that were prevented from profiling me! FWIW, over the years I have gotten lax about leaving a whole bunch of tabs open. Most of the time these play nice and aren't an issue, with only a couple holding onto large amounts of memory. But once in a while, especially with smaller sites, they go wild and grab resources even when not the frontmost tab. For instance, our small local newspaper sometimes does this, especially with their nifty looking animation icon that has a page turn every second or two. On my wife's system, it's often a small time blogger that has something going crazy on it. It's good to have Safari helping out a bit, and most of the time it can have 60-80 tabs open without conflict on a small or medium sized system. I wish it was a little easier to "manage website data" and have it stick, since I've never completely flushed it and it seems like there is always tons of stuff there that I don't want while a few things that I do. But such is life.
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Post by hyci004 on Dec 8, 2020 12:59:27 GMT -8
I tried to get my dad to adopt hearing aids. Total failure. I am not familiar with the state of the art now, so maybe this is a dumb question - do you think over-the-ear is a viable form factor for hearing aids? Well........It pretty common to see people everywhere using headphones, so maybe the younger generation would accept the disguised look especially for those that need super power aids. Imo with larger receivers the sound quality would improve without the problems associated with feedback and fit. But I think you’re right, the market ain’t big enough for a product like that, at least at that price point. You can use AirPods as hearing aids if you turn on the Live Listen feature. support.apple.com/en-us/HT209082There’s also “Use Made for iPhone hearing devices” support.apple.com/en-us/HT201466
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Post by Lstream on Dec 8, 2020 13:27:28 GMT -8
Well........It pretty common to see people everywhere using headphones, so maybe the younger generation would accept the disguised look especially for those that need super power aids. Imo with larger receivers the sound quality would improve without the problems associated with feedback and fit. But I think you’re right, the market ain’t big enough for a product like that, at least at that price point. You can use AirPods as hearing aids if you turn on the Live Listen feature. support.apple.com/en-us/HT209082There’s also “Use Made for iPhone hearing devices” support.apple.com/en-us/HT201466Thanks - but I don't think this is a hearing-aid like function. You must place your phone in front of the person you want to hear. Which seems like a narrower use case than a hearing aid mode.
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Post by JDSoCal on Dec 8, 2020 17:45:18 GMT -8
I tried to get my dad to adopt hearing aids. Total failure. I am not familiar with the state of the art now, so maybe this is a dumb question - do you think over-the-ear is a viable form factor for hearing aids? Well........It pretty common to see people everywhere using headphones, so maybe the younger generation would accept the disguised look especially for those that need super power aids. Imo with larger receivers the sound quality would improve without the problems associated with feedback and fit. But I think you’re right, the market ain’t big enough for a product like that, at least at that price point.Have you priced hearing aids?! Thousands. Pretty big market, especially if Apple got FDA approval and paid for by MEDICARE (other people's money, woo hoo! ). Sheet, they (we) pay for those expensive chairs ("FREEEEEEEEE!").
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Post by 4aapl on Dec 8, 2020 18:19:32 GMT -8
Well........It pretty common to see people everywhere using headphones, so maybe the younger generation would accept the disguised look especially for those that need super power aids. Imo with larger receivers the sound quality would improve without the problems associated with feedback and fit. But I think you’re right, the market ain’t big enough for a product like that, at least at that price point.Have you priced hearing aids?! Thousands. Pretty big market, especially if Apple got FDA approval and paid for by MEDICARE (other people's money, woo hoo! ). Sheet, they (we) pay for those expensive chairs ("FREEEEEEEEE!"). Come on now. Apple is not in the chair market! As I said previously, my neighbor managed to get his tax discount on a set of hearing aides, with an iPhone to control it. He was sure to not enable the iPhone to cell service, which is too bad. I think he really would have enjoyed it. But, he was all about the tax savings, which while I won't go into details here I will mention it has not worked out the best posthumously. Enjoy your toys while you are living. Even with the best intentions, stuff isn't simple once you have passed. He had hearing aides, and if I wasn't careful I could make him jump from 20 yards out. But my father in law has had pretty good ones, and yet they still don't help him at his blindspot which happens to coincide with the female voice. Crazy. Tractors, and a bit of hunting. There's got to be some good ways to straightline the audio in during certain circumstances. I really dislike the subtitles during every tv show and movie, since there are mistakes and it is never as they are being said, while also distracting from the video. There's probably a market just with that. And while an audio booster might not be the best fit, it's a start. There's got to be a market for those training wheels, for those that don't yet need an expensive solution and yet will pay for what will help them out 80% of the time. And that's a start. But as for the over the ear headphones, it all depends on the need for stealthiness. Glasses/contacts/Google Glass? Tie it all in and it works, but if it is already shunned maybe it isn't a good fit. Or move the curve slowly by making it trendy? It's more than just the destination, but also the path taken.
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Post by mark on Dec 9, 2020 8:15:40 GMT -8
My dad has hearing aids that are only controlled by the iphone, but they don't get audio via the iPhone. Basically, the iPhone has an app that connects to the hearing aids via BT (I think, but could be WiFi or NFC instead) and customizes levels and audio shape (equalizer of sorts). He can customize manually or have preset locations where the app sets the hearing aids appropriately. For example, you can have them automatically set to "movie theater" mode when you are near/in the movie theater, or to "church" mode when you are in/near your church. And "home" mode when you don't want to hear your spouse speaking to you. 😂
And, yes, those types of hearing aids are quite pricey ... a few thousand I think. I bet Apple could make a deluxe set of hearing aids, with better performance, for less than that. Maybe even under $1,000.
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Post by macster on Dec 9, 2020 14:06:06 GMT -8
I’ve been wearing hearing aids for over 30 years. All over the air sound waves directly into the mic of the HA has never been as good as listening to music or speech from wired or BT headphones whether the TV, iPhone or PC. My hearing aids are MFI, made for iPhone. I take calls via BT and listen to voicemails. Speech is tremendously improved than listening over the air. I also have a lapel mic that you can give to a speaker, lay on a table or given to your dinner mate/vehicle passenger that transmits voice via BT directly into your HA receiver sidestepping all the ambient noises that interfere with speech understanding. Especially when the hearing impaired person can’t see the lips move of the speaker. You can actually create a beam of sound directly from a persons mouth that blocks noise outside that beam which improves understanding for example in a loud restaurant. Called various names from different OEM’s but generally it’s the directional programs that focus what’s in front of you. Also there are spacial programs that scan the environment that block ambient sounds which focus and amplify speech artifacts only.
My point earlier about over-the-ear hearing aids...would be better than in-the-ear, behind-the-ear or receiver-in the-ear specifically because of the various fitting choices, problems with wax and better sound through larger mics, receivers, less expensive micronization and whatever else you can cram into an over the ear headphone design that isn’t too bulky but pleasing to wear and look at.
I’m not sure I’d wear something like that, probably not. It was a harebrained idea for multiple reasons that I don’t completely understand, why I thought there wouldn’t be a market.
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