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Post by benoir on Feb 26, 2021 20:06:39 GMT -8
And while we're talking about supposed diversity and inclusion (instead of enriching shareholders), I asked a friend of mine who is a Christian if he thought he'd be welcome to work at Apple. He said "no" resoundingly. About 165 million Americans call themselves Christians. Diversity, LOL. LOL! The biggest group at Apple is the Christian group. AppStore Swift / Swift UI AppleWatch ApplePay AirPods M1 processor and the little stuff that makes it all magical, like sidecar and airdrop, and a bazillion other things that quietly add to the whole experience
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Post by 4aapl on Feb 26, 2021 20:39:43 GMT -8
LOL! The biggest group at Apple is the Christian group. AppStore Swift / Swift UI AppleWatch ApplePay AirPods M1 processor and the little stuff that makes it all magical, like sidecar and airdrop, and a bazillion other things that quietly add to the whole experience It's always tough, of how you quantify something like sidecar. Personally, I've never used it, and am bugged when the MacOS keeps wanting to add a screen or a wifi connection to my 27" iMac, because my iPhone or iPod is near. OTOH, I had dual screens way back in '96, with huge 20" ands 17" CRTs that were enough to trip a circuit if you added a space heater or air dryer. Ahhhh....memories. Innovation is always tough to quantify. Heck, many things are hard to quantify in a meaningful way. But with innovation it's probably often backwards looking, as not only do you have to do something new and different, but it has to make a dent in the universe. OTOH, Apple mostly works well with making something complicated much easier. I was in the server group at first, and setting up a web server, mail server, ftp server, or whatnot was just freaking easy. They whittled it down to a good set of defaults, and made it easy to change the most commonly needed variables. But, for those that needed more, you could bop down to the command line or config file and change whatever you wanted. At a different company, a manager thought it was a good resume builder to be able to install their software. Really! It was crazy, but with only 10 customers, and 20 "in the wild" installs, it didn't much matter. For them, it would have been innovative to have an install that could work from a config file. And heck, they even had that function, but it must have not worked that well. What would be innovation at the DMV? Each place and instance is a little different. But, when you are used to magic just happening, the bar is put a little higher.
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Post by benoir on Feb 26, 2021 23:38:40 GMT -8
and the little stuff that makes it all magical, like sidecar and airdrop, and a bazillion other things that quietly add to the whole experience It's always tough, of how you quantify something like sidecar. Personally, I've never used it, and am bugged when the MacOS keeps wanting to add a screen or a wifi connection to my 27" iMac, because my iPhone or iPod is near. OTOH, I had dual screens way back in '96, with huge 20" ands 17" CRTs that were enough to trip a circuit if you added a space heater or air dryer. Ahhhh....memories. Innovation is always tough to quantify. Heck, many things are hard to quantify in a meaningful way. But with innovation it's probably often backwards looking, as not only do you have to do something new and different, but it has to make a dent in the universe. OTOH, Apple mostly works well with making something complicated much easier. I was in the server group at first, and setting up a web server, mail server, ftp server, or whatnot was just freaking easy. They whittled it down to a good set of defaults, and made it easy to change the most commonly needed variables. But, for those that needed more, you could bop down to the command line or config file and change whatever you wanted. At a different company, a manager thought it was a good resume builder to be able to install their software. Really! It was crazy, but with only 10 customers, and 20 "in the wild" installs, it didn't much matter. For them, it would have been innovative to have an install that could work from a config file. And heck, they even had that function, but it must have not worked that well. What would be innovation at the DMV? Each place and instance is a little different. But, when you are used to magic just happening, the bar is put a little higher. I use side car to free up realestate from floating palettes for the design software I use. It's a great way to utilise an ageing iPad Pro. I'm still running Server 10.5 on a 12? year old cheesegrater. (Love your work 4aapl!) These days we are only using it for file serving, but it works and in all the time the server has never crashed.
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Post by JDSoCal on Feb 27, 2021 8:23:33 GMT -8
Well if the innovation standard is going to be the iPhone, then you are bound to be disappointed. Nothing can compare to a device that ignited the mobile revolution that put a powerful computer in the pocket of the vast majority of the worlds population. Although it may not be seen as innovative, fending off Google giving away copycat software, and dozens of knock off artists, is a legit business accomplishment. With that caveat, what about the following: 1. Built a $20B wearables business in 5 years. By building dominating products with the Watch and AirPods. Maybe you don’t think this is innovative. I do, and can you really argue with building a $20B biz in 5 years? 2. What about the M1? How is a processor that obliterates the incumbents not innovative? I think your hatred of Cook is blinding your otherwise extremely insightful perspective on Apple. You have it backwards. My feelings about Cook are a priori because of his actions (and lack of them). I wanted (and did) like Cook at the beginning. I no longer have confidence in him. I could not encourage someone to invest a large portion of their wealth in Apple right now. If anything, the reflexive defense of him here reads like I am attacking Aaron Rodgers on a Packers forum. That's what seems irrational to me.
Smart investors should feel like the CEO is their guy, working for them. I do not feel this way about Tim. I think he's narcissistically running Apple like his own PAC or NGO. And whenever any stockholder complains, his attitude has been "sell AAPL if you don't like our values." That isn't a guy working for shareholders.
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Post by JDSoCal on Feb 27, 2021 8:25:38 GMT -8
My feelings about Tim Cook are formed over almost 10 years of him as CEO. I want a CEO running my company who focuses like a laser on making the company more profitable and competitive. But at least half the time, Cook is talking about his left wing politics instead of showing that laser focus. It does not inspire confidence. When did Steve ever ramble about this extraneous stuff? It's a distraction and off-putting for half the country that also buys iPhones. And while we're talking about supposed diversity and inclusion (instead of enriching shareholders), I asked a friend of mine who is a Christian if he thought he'd be welcome to work at Apple. He said "no" resoundingly. About 165 million Americans call themselves Christians. Diversity, LOL. Apple values are total BS. A bunch of executives who are contemptuous of stockholders, paying themselves a fortune. 14 years and counting since the next big thing. Sorry to butthurt the fanboys, but wtf exactly has Apple done that is so innovative since 2007? Drop billions on a solar-powered spaceship? JD, longtime AAPL holder who's made a bundle and bought a house with the proceeds, has become the board's conservative Apple troll. Well, lol, JD, the only one who's butthurt is you because Tim Cook is a liberal who speaks his mind. If you think a longtime shareholder being critical of a company's CEO is a "troll," you might be in a cult, rather than being a sound minded investor. Kind of reminds me of Barry Switzer when he took over the Cowboys when they were rolling. Yes, Barry won a Super Bowl, having inherited at least three hall of famers on offense. But then he ran the franchise into the ground and they haven't been back to the Super Bowl in over 25 years. Again, what amazing product has been launched since Steve died?
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Post by Lstream on Feb 27, 2021 10:55:46 GMT -8
Well if the innovation standard is going to be the iPhone, then you are bound to be disappointed. Nothing can compare to a device that ignited the mobile revolution that put a powerful computer in the pocket of the vast majority of the worlds population. Although it may not be seen as innovative, fending off Google giving away copycat software, and dozens of knock off artists, is a legit business accomplishment. With that caveat, what about the following: 1. Built a $20B wearables business in 5 years. By building dominating products with the Watch and AirPods. Maybe you don’t think this is innovative. I do, and can you really argue with building a $20B biz in 5 years? 2. What about the M1? How is a processor that obliterates the incumbents not innovative? I think your hatred of Cook is blinding your otherwise extremely insightful perspective on Apple. You have it backwards. My feelings about Cook are a priori because of his actions (and lack of them). I wanted (and did) like Cook at the beginning. I no longer have confidence in him. I could not encourage someone to invest a large portion of their wealth in Apple right now. If anything, the reflexive defense of him here reads like I am attacking Aaron Rodgers on a Packers forum. That's what seems irrational to me.
Smart investors should feel like the CEO is their guy, working for them. I do not feel this way about Tim. I think he's narcissistically running Apple like his own PAC or NGO. And whenever any stockholder complains, his attitude has been "sell AAPL if you don't like our values." That isn't a guy working for shareholders.
Fair enough, but I don’t think what I am saying is reflexive. So, you don’t believe that the examples I (and others) gave are innovative?
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Post by Ted on Feb 28, 2021 6:34:45 GMT -8
JD, longtime AAPL holder who's made a bundle and bought a house with the proceeds, has become the board's conservative Apple troll. Well, lol, JD, the only one who's butthurt is you because Tim Cook is a liberal who speaks his mind. If you think a longtime shareholder being critical of a company's CEO is a "troll," you might be in a cult, rather than being a sound minded investor. Kind of reminds me of Barry Switzer when he took over the Cowboys when they were rolling. Yes, Barry won a Super Bowl, having inherited at least three hall of famers on offense. But then he ran the franchise into the ground and they haven't been back to the Super Bowl in over 25 years. Again, what amazing product has been launched since Steve died? It’s not your criticism of Cook that makes you a troll here, obviously. It’s your attempt to bug other members with yr comments that transcends criticism and crosses over to obnoxiousness. Sorry, don’t mean to butthurt a non-fanboy....
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