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Post by Dave on Oct 20, 2021 2:13:11 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Oct 20, 2021 8:41:21 GMT -8
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Post by duckpins on Oct 20, 2021 9:25:45 GMT -8
Really liked the Newton. Perfect size for notes for Drs. with hand writing recognition software could have sold lots. Jobs thought it was less than elegant.
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Post by chinacat on Oct 20, 2021 9:42:48 GMT -8
Really liked the Newton. Perfect size for notes for Drs. with hand writing recognition software could have sold lots. Jobs thought it was less than elegant. Reading doctors’s handwriting would have been the ultimate stress test .
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Post by bud777 on Oct 20, 2021 10:23:54 GMT -8
I know this is last year's speculation, but I was just thinking about how nice an Apple/Tesla merger might have been. Not so much for the automobile industry, but because of Starlink. Imagine the moat if the hardware, software, ISP, and data stream were handled by Apple and you could count on the signal anywhere on earth. Oh, yea, and in your auto too. It's probably too late for this now, but it seems to me like it might have been a good idea. I guess that should be a warning. I once received an "award" for having ideas that were quick, plausible, and wrong.
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Post by duckpins on Oct 20, 2021 10:36:17 GMT -8
I can't see Steve mixing with TSLA's Musk. Steve was a visionary interested in what unlocked human potential. Musk was interested in tech. and made money with ideas. There is a gap there. But like buying Pixar which Steve wanted Apple to do it would have been a good idea in the long term.
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Post by 4aapl on Oct 20, 2021 11:15:18 GMT -8
I know this is last year's speculation, but I was just thinking about how nice an Apple/Tesla merger might have been. Not so much for the automobile industry, but because of Starlink. Imagine the moat if the hardware, software, ISP, and data stream were handled by Apple and you could count on the signal anywhere on earth. Oh, yea, and in your auto too. It's probably too late for this now, but it seems to me like it might have been a good idea. I guess that should be a warning. I once received an "award" for having ideas that were quick, plausible, and wrong. It sounds like StarLink is run by SpaceX, so not really part of Tesla other than the link to Musk. A friend of ours worked at SpaceX, and then was helping hawk the StarLink system to potential customers, maybe 2 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarlinkMusk has a lot going on. Some are Boring companies, but then there's things like Nueralink en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_MuskAt one time, either articles or our friend that had worked with Musk said everything really came together as his quest for pushing up sending people to Mars. This went well with some older articles on Tesla where Musk was sharing patents with others, on the push for progress in the field. I like the idea, but don't know if that is still the mindset a decade later, with him or with his companies. Sometimes the push for profits for shareholders takes over.
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 20, 2021 12:23:12 GMT -8
Good Lord, not Tesla again. I can't think of a company - not even Amazon - which is less like Apple in terms of huge margins and profits. I'm OK with riding the stock while it heads upwards, but the idea that Apple - which nonplussed WS turns its nose up at even after massive earnings beats - would be rewarded with Tesla's financials, is dubious at best.
Tesla is a cult stock. Take away Musk, and you have boring vanilla Tim Cook (and dramatically thinner margins).
No, Apple needs its car to be profitable from the get go. I just hope the damn thing ships before I am too old to drive. Speaking of which, sorry for this latest drop. I was considering 911's again. My bad.
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Post by 4aapl on Oct 20, 2021 12:36:22 GMT -8
Good Lord, not Tesla again. It's easier than asking "Hey JD, are you still around?" No, Apple needs its car to be profitable from the get go. I just hope the damn thing ships before I am too old to drive. Isn't that the direction these days, to get something that doesn't need you to drive, and just ferries you about. With Siri we have the personal assistant. This will be the era of the personal chauffeur. "To the Opera, Jeeves"
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Post by firestorm on Oct 20, 2021 14:19:53 GMT -8
Really liked the Newton. Perfect size for notes for Drs. with hand writing recognition software could have sold lots. Jobs thought it was less than elegant. I would agree that it was less than elegant, as was most of the computer tech of that era. But it gave us a glimpse of a better future. At this point I can't imagine Macs and IPhones and iPads more elegant than we have today, but I'm sure there will be.
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Post by firestorm on Oct 20, 2021 14:28:18 GMT -8
Good Lord, not Tesla again. I can't think of a company - not even Amazon - which is less like Apple in terms of huge margins and profits. I'm OK with riding the stock while it heads upwards, but the idea that Apple - which nonplussed WS turns its nose up at even after massive earnings beats - would be rewarded with Tesla's financials, is dubious at best. Tesla is a cult stock. Take away Musk, and you have boring vanilla Tim Cook (and dramatically thinner margins). No, Apple needs its car to be profitable from the get go. I just hope the damn thing ships before I am too old to drive. Speaking of which, sorry for this latest drop. I was considering 911's again. My bad. I am also riding the Tesla cult stock, partly driven by my observation of the semi-loads of Teslas heading north virtually every time I'm on "the" I-5 (just trying to relate to Californians here). If Jony Ive had been charged with design had the companies merged, how would he have made the car design ever thinner and more minimalist? Actually, the two people I know who have Teslas absolutely LOVE them!
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Post by macster on Oct 20, 2021 15:51:38 GMT -8
Good Lord, not Tesla again. I can't think of a company - not even Amazon - which is less like Apple in terms of huge margins and profits. I'm OK with riding the stock while it heads upwards, but the idea that Apple - which nonplussed WS turns its nose up at even after massive earnings beats - would be rewarded with Tesla's financials, is dubious at best. Tesla is a cult stock. Take away Musk, and you have boring vanilla Tim Cook (and dramatically thinner margins). No, Apple needs its car to be profitable from the get go. I just hope the damn thing ships before I am too old to drive. Speaking of which, sorry for this latest drop. I was considering 911's again. My bad. I am also riding the Tesla cult stock, partly driven by my observation of the semi-loads of Teslas heading north virtually every time I'm on "the" I-5 (just trying to relate to Californians here). If Jony Ive had been charged with design had the companies merged, how would he have made the car design ever thinner and more minimalist? Actually, the two people I know who have Teslas absolutely LOVE them! The model designs suck with language stuck in a mirror image rut. The Model S still holds some good looks but is waning fast as designs from competitors appear. The only thing keeping them afloat is the first to mass market cult following and their technologies but that will change eventually
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Post by Lstream on Oct 20, 2021 17:45:50 GMT -8
I know this is last year's speculation, but I was just thinking about how nice an Apple/Tesla merger might have been. Not so much for the automobile industry, but because of Starlink. Imagine the moat if the hardware, software, ISP, and data stream were handled by Apple and you could count on the signal anywhere on earth. Oh, yea, and in your auto too. It's probably too late for this now, but it seems to me like it might have been a good idea. I guess that should be a warning. I once received an "award" for having ideas that were quick, plausible, and wrong. I am a Starlink customer, and it is not at all suited for the use case described. The system needs a phased-array dish that consumes around 100 watts, and is the size of a large pizza box. Not fitting in a phone, or running on phone batteries. It needs line of sight or it won’t work. A few trees between your dish and the satellites causes outages. Forget using it indoors. Finally, it cannot support user densities found in cities/highly populated areas. The satellite constellation just doesn’t have the bandwidth that cellular does. SpaceX themselves say the system will never be deployed to the masses in cities. It is for thinly populated areas that are poorly served by existing ISP’s. For that use case, it is outstanding. Beyond that, it is not a fit.
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Post by Lstream on Oct 20, 2021 17:48:07 GMT -8
Good Lord, not Tesla again. I can't think of a company - not even Amazon - which is less like Apple in terms of huge margins and profits. I'm OK with riding the stock while it heads upwards, but the idea that Apple - which nonplussed WS turns its nose up at even after massive earnings beats - would be rewarded with Tesla's financials, is dubious at best. Tesla is a cult stock. Take away Musk, and you have boring vanilla Tim Cook (and dramatically thinner margins). No, Apple needs its car to be profitable from the get go. I just hope the damn thing ships before I am too old to drive. Speaking of which, sorry for this latest drop. I was considering 911's again. My bad. Jeez man, get the 911. YOLO, and if you don’t, you won’t recall ever having one in the next life.
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Post by firestorm on Oct 20, 2021 18:48:50 GMT -8
I am also riding the Tesla cult stock, partly driven by my observation of the semi-loads of Teslas heading north virtually every time I'm on "the" I-5 (just trying to relate to Californians here). If Jony Ive had been charged with design had the companies merged, how would he have made the car design ever thinner and more minimalist? Actually, the two people I know who have Teslas absolutely LOVE them! The model designs suck with language stuck in a mirror image rut. The Model S still holds some good looks but is waning fast as designs from competitors appear. The only thing keeping them afloat is the first to mass market cult following and their technologies but that will change eventually Android fanatics said the same thing about the iPhone just being popular because it was first to market and popular in the Apple cult (I know it was with me; as a certifiable cult member I bought iPhone 1). But like Apple, Tesla has a head start and will continue to evolve. I like the fact that they don't constantly make major changes to their classic designs. I think the Model S is among the very best looking cars on the road after all these years, at a time when most cars are shaped like potatoes with little do-dad design elements to differentiate themselves from all the other potatoes (I am guilty of liking potatoes, my Subaru Ascent is a tasty light golden potato). Meanwhile, I've made a lot of money this year with Tesla stock; my profits aren't going to a car but to decks and gutters and siding and re-roofing.
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Post by bud777 on Oct 21, 2021 5:56:12 GMT -8
Like I said, Quick, Plausible and wrong
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