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Post by phoebear611 on Apr 15, 2013 2:28:22 GMT -8
We are down in PM and it's Tax Day today (in U.S.). On a brighter note...we are closer to earnings in anticipation of more clarity and in hopes of some positive announcements. We'll see what happens.
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Post by lovemyipad on Apr 15, 2013 4:51:39 GMT -8
The meltdown in metals is something to behold...
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Post by lance on Apr 15, 2013 4:55:51 GMT -8
Nice to see some rumours about iRadio. Because Services and software really is where Apple can actually get an edge on the competition in smartphones. Hardware really I don't see Apple with much of an edge. Most smartphones look pretty cool now and Apple has smallest screens on the market.
Sadly horrible earnings dictate the trend of this graph for the next little bit not products or service improvements. IMHO Apple will most likely be putting in a low for next few years that we can finally start to build off during the next quarter ie after the earnings.
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Post by Big Al on Apr 15, 2013 5:19:29 GMT -8
The meltdown in metals is something to behold... Could you please elaborate... I think remembering vaguely that there was a correlation (negative/positive?) with (the market/AAPL?) |
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Post by tuffett on Apr 15, 2013 5:27:01 GMT -8
Commodities are getting absolutely slaughtered
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Post by terps530 on Apr 15, 2013 5:39:08 GMT -8
it's nice to see another major investment item that a lot of funds own getting decimated after falling through a major support. At least it shows the world wasn't only picking on Aapl.
the streak extended now 15/15 weeks in 2013 (and back to Dec 3rd), of dipping below the Friday close on the following Monday.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Apr 15, 2013 5:53:21 GMT -8
The meltdown in metals is something to behold... I remember all the scare ads back in. 2009-2010 luring mom and pop into gold. World coming to an end. Etc, hope mom and pop didn't margin and that they got out before now. Will get ugly. |
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Post by terps530 on Apr 15, 2013 6:15:24 GMT -8
The meltdown in metals is something to behold... Could you please elaborate... I think remembering vaguely that there was a correlation (negative/positive?) with (the market/AAPL?) yea they usually say, 'when equities are unstable, investors should flee to gold'. I think when gold is down normally, equities would go up. But when it crashes like it has been doing the last few days, i think it's putting a lot of fear into the market overall, and thus the equity markts are getting beatdown now. imo it's one of those, 'whoa gold is crashing and it's supposed to be a stable bet- maybe i should re-evaluate my positions' things. it just sucks that it's happening while aapl is only 1-2% above that 419 level that keeps holding up. |
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Post by sponge on Apr 15, 2013 6:38:01 GMT -8
Not a good start. Lets see how hard we bounce from 420.
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Post by sponge on Apr 15, 2013 6:57:35 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 7:27:12 GMT -8
Good and bad news from Toni Sacconaghi, warming up April 23: Divvy news likely postponed until AFTER April 23 (2 week delay -- at least there's a timeframe on it). He predicts that CFO Peter O may return up to 50% of FCF, yielding 4.5% and putting a floor on the stock at $470. Also, Apple's thinking has evolved and may be open to the debt market to do something bigger than expected. tech.fortune.cnn.com/category/apple-2-0/ |
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Post by sponge on Apr 15, 2013 7:39:24 GMT -8
Good and bad news from Toni Sacconaghi, warming up April 23: Divvy news likely postponed until AFTER April 23 (2 week delay -- at least there's a timeframe on it). He predicts that CFO Peter O may return up to 50% of FCF, yielding 4.5% and putting a floor on the stock at $470. Also, Apple's thinking has evolved and may be open to the debt market to do something bigger than expected. tech.fortune.cnn.com/category/apple-2-0/I expect a buyback announcement not a dividend on April 23. He is stating the obvious. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 7:43:38 GMT -8
Good and bad news from Toni Sacconaghi, warming up April 23: Divvy news likely postponed until AFTER April 23 (2 week delay -- at least there's a timeframe on it). He predicts that CFO Peter O may return up to 50% of FCF, yielding 4.5% and putting a floor on the stock at $470. Also, Apple's thinking has evolved and may be open to the debt market to do something bigger than expected. tech.fortune.cnn.com/category/apple-2-0/I expect a buyback announcement not a dividend on April 23. He is stating the obvious. Toni has better contacts than you Sir Sponge, so when he says that Apple doesn't want to conflate earnings with cash plans, so why would Apple announce a buyback on April 23 and divvy 2 weeks later? |
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Post by sponge on Apr 15, 2013 7:48:34 GMT -8
Because increased buybacks can happen at anytime. Dividends usually get raise every 12 months. Why announce in April for action in August.
The reason Apple did not gives eps estimate is because increased buybacks will impact future eps if they buy back much more then planned.
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Post by gtrplyr on Apr 15, 2013 7:51:14 GMT -8
Good and bad news from Toni Sacconaghi, warming up April 23: Divvy news likely postponed until AFTER April 23 (2 week delay -- at least there's a timeframe on it). He predicts that CFO Peter O may return up to 50% of FCF, yielding 4.5% and putting a floor on the stock at $470. Also, Apple's thinking has evolved and may be open to the debt market to do something bigger than expected. tech.fortune.cnn.com/category/apple-2-0/One would hope that Peter O has a positive outlook on the earnings and feels that the announcement does not need to be used to help keep the stock price from falling below $400 ..... hope that is.  |
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Post by sponge on Apr 15, 2013 8:09:07 GMT -8
When will we test 420? Today or tomorrow.
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Post by Dave on Apr 15, 2013 8:09:18 GMT -8
Thanks Mercel, that Fortune article gave me the encouragement to hang-on a little longer. Good news is coming.
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Post by mace on Apr 15, 2013 8:15:00 GMT -8
All except financial stocks and Treasuries, went down. Cash is King. Which fruit company has $137 billion in cash and cash equivalents? May be don't buy back its shares, other businesses may be even cheaper !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 8:30:09 GMT -8
All except financial stocks and Treasuries, went down. Cash is King. Which fruit company has $137 billion in cash and cash equivalents? May be don't buy back its shares, other businesses may be even cheaper ! The S&P is sitting at twice the PE of AAPL...it would need to drop 50% to be just as cheap as Apple buying back it's own shares. I just want a blowout earnings report for a change...I'm tired of sub-standard earnings and really hope they blow it out of the water this quarter. January EPS were identical to the prior year with an extra week, is there no chance that Apple could come close to last April? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 8:47:59 GMT -8
it's nice to see another major investment item that a lot of funds own getting decimated after falling through a major support. At least it shows the world wasn't only picking on Aapl. the streak extended now 15/15 weeks in 2013 (and back to Dec 3rd), of dipping below the Friday close on the following Monday. Oh how I wish this metric had been posted in February. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 8:49:40 GMT -8
I just want a blowout earnings report for a change...I'm tired of sub-standard earnings and really hope they blow it out of the water this quarter. January EPS were identical to the prior year with an extra week, is there no chance that Apple could come close to last April? This is my handicap for FQ2 2013 earnings: 5% chance > 12.30 EPS (last March) 15% chance > 11.00 EPS 55% chance > 10.25 EPS 25% chance < 10.25 EPS Maybe Intel's earnings report moves my %s. Also, what Apple reports and Wall Street's reaction to it is also questionable. |
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Post by lance on Apr 15, 2013 8:58:01 GMT -8
400 for day before earnings. Its looking more likely by the minute.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 9:06:11 GMT -8
I expect a buyback announcement not a dividend on April 23. He is stating the obvious. Toni has better contacts than you Sir Sponge, so when he says that Apple doesn't want to conflate earnings with cash plans, so why would Apple announce a buyback on April 23 and divvy 2 weeks later? If Apple had engaged in buybacks since January earnings, it would impossible to hide the fact come April earnings. Apple doesn't need to announce further buybacks, as it already has announced plans to do so. |
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Post by lance on Apr 15, 2013 9:11:43 GMT -8
Basically 100 dollars a share lost each of the last 3 quarters. So I guess that mean 320 by July.
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Post by artman1033 on Apr 15, 2013 9:35:41 GMT -8
whoa! another investment product I don't understand anymore.  |
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Post by applemuncher on Apr 15, 2013 9:39:18 GMT -8
Toni has better contacts than you Sir Sponge, so when he says that Apple doesn't want to conflate earnings with cash plans, so why would Apple announce a buyback on April 23 and divvy 2 weeks later? If Apple had engaged in buybacks since January earnings, it would impossible to hide the fact come April earnings. Apple doesn't need to announce further buybacks, as it already has announced plans to do so. Gregg, are you talking about the $10B buyback Apple announced in March of 2012? That buyback will happen over three years with the primary objective of neutralizing the impact of dilution from future employee equity grants and employee stock purchase programs. I think many people here would like to see a much larger buyback announced. $10B over three years is peanuts. |
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Post by lance on Apr 15, 2013 10:12:20 GMT -8
TC or Ron Johnson who has done worse in 2013. You would think this would be an easy answer sadly if you look based on stock performance YTD its a close battle.
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Post by terps530 on Apr 15, 2013 10:22:43 GMT -8
Samsung false advertising news on my AAPL ticker: Taiwan Probes Allegations of Samsung False Advertising Last update: 4/15/2013 9:48:02 AM TAIPEI (AFP) -- Taiwanese authorities said Monday they had launched an investigation into allegations that South Korea's Samsung Electronics hired students to post malicious comments about local rival HTC Corp. online. "The case was set up last week after we received complaints," Fair Trade Commission spokesman Sun Lih-chyun told AFP. He said the probe would look into allegations that Samsung engaged in false advertising and that if the allegations were upheld, Samsung and its local advertising agent could face a fine of up to NT$25 million ($835,000). Complaints emerged this month, with Internet users alleging that Samsung, through its local agent, had hired students to write online articles attacking HTC and recommending Samsung cellphones, the United Evening News said. When asked about the allegations, an official at Samsung Taiwan said the company had not been informed of the investigation by the Fair Trade Commission. But in a statement on its Facebook page, www.facebook.com/SamsungTaiwan, Samsung Taiwan said it regretted "any inconvenience and confusion from the Internet event". "Samsung Taiwan has halted all Internet marketing such as posting articles on websites," it said. Samsung was fined NT$300,000 by the commission earlier this year for a misleading advertisement about the camera functions on Samsung's Galaxy Y Duos GT-S6102, according to Taiwan's state Central News Agency. According to research firm IDC, Samsung held a 30.3% share of the global smartphone market in 2012, while Apple had 19.1% and HTC 4.6%. (END) Dow Jones Newswires April 15, 2013 09:48 ET (13:48 GMT) |
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Post by tuffett on Apr 15, 2013 10:33:24 GMT -8
Those piddly fines just encourage Samesung to keep doing what they're doing, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 10:38:47 GMT -8
Why do people reward corrupt companies like Samsung with their business. It blows my mind that so many are oblivious to Samsung's record of bribery and corruption.
It's even more shameful that media outlets give this short shrift, in favor of reporting negative Apple news du jour.
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