JDSoCal
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Post by JDSoCal on Feb 28, 2024 8:52:14 GMT -8
And soccer. We already have 3 big sports -- football, basketball, and baseball. With a large entrenched audience. Soccer anyone? I don't know a soul who cares. Cmon. It’s the most popular sport in the world. I care. Do I count? Did you watch the World Cup final between Argentina and France? That was compelling, and yet you think no one cares?! The problem with this “most popular” argument about soccer is that a lot of people around the world follow *their favorite teams*, but no single soccer matches pull viewership within a magnitude of NFL games. The Super Bowl gets 10X the ratings of the World Cup Final in the U.S.
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Post by macster on Feb 28, 2024 9:19:32 GMT -8
Apple already lost to google automotive at GM and Ford. Hydrogen motors and Hydrogen fuel cell electrics are advancing faster than most think and its way…way cleaner.
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Post by hledgard on Feb 28, 2024 9:22:36 GMT -8
My wife is an avid 49ers football and Giants baseball fan...has been since she was a kid. Yet she and I are very much enjoying ‘Messi World Cup: Rise of a Legend’ on Apple TV...and my older son has a season pass to see the local San Jose Earthquakes soccer team as well as MLS Season Pass on Apple TV. Soccer has been making inroads in the U.S. for many years. Seeing the absolutely packed stadiums for the soccer games in various countries and the rabid fans makes me appreciate just how much soccer is a *world sport*. Yes, baseball and basketball are played all over the world as well...but all that's needed for young kids to play soccer is a ball and an open field. You can't play a game of baseball without a bat and you can't play basketball without a net. When asked about the following of soccer, a friend from Romania pointed out that even with the huge world wide audience for the Super Bowl, that size is matched by just a normal low level soccer game in Europe. I know that soccer is the big game in Europe, by far. I have lived in England and France, and have seen the huge devotion to the game. I just wonder if it can break the football-basketball- baseball-hockey hold in the US.
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4aapl
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Post by 4aapl on Feb 28, 2024 10:00:24 GMT -8
When asked about the following of soccer, a friend from Romania pointed out that even with the huge world wide audience for the Super Bowl, that size is matched by just a normal low level soccer game in Europe. I know that soccer is the big game in Europe, by far. I have lived in England and France, and have seen the huge devotion to the game. I just wonder if it can break the football-basketball- baseball-hockey hold in the US. I don't know either, but a 10 year contract gives the sport and Apple some time to work on it. In the end it comes down to cost vs benefit, often in terms of viewer eyeballs or subscriptions. If it cost 100x less than a similar contract with a different sport in the US, then it also lowers the needed benefit. Frankly, I rarely watch sports. I don't have a good grasp on how many people watch multiple sports, and how many watch all of the sports you list, especially when it comes to hockey. It seems its popularity is much less in warmer climate areas, even if teams have been added in the past few decades.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Feb 28, 2024 11:49:56 GMT -8
Apple already lost to google automotive at GM and Ford. Hydrogen motors and Hydrogen fuel cell electrics are advancing faster than most think and its way…way cleaner. The problem with hydrogen is the distribution. And it is too dangerous for the average Joe to handle. BMW has and is working with hydrogen in their ICE engines with great success, I don't know anything about the hydrogen fuel cells, but the fueling stations would need to automated (robots) for it to be safe to use. I don't see it ever happening, at least not in my life time.
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Post by macster on Feb 28, 2024 12:35:45 GMT -8
Apple already lost to google automotive at GM and Ford. Hydrogen motors and Hydrogen fuel cell electrics are advancing faster than most think and its way…way cleaner. The problem with hydrogen is the distribution. And it is too dangerous for the average Joe to handle. BMW has and is working with hydrogen in their ICE engines with great success, I don't know anything about the hydrogen fuel cells, but the fueling stations would need to automated (robots) for it to be safe to use. I don't see it ever happening, at least not in my life time. Follow ‘Hydrogen and Fuel Cell News’ On Facebook.
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Post by 4aapl on Feb 28, 2024 18:52:31 GMT -8
The problem with hydrogen is the distribution. And it is too dangerous for the average Joe to handle. BMW has and is working with hydrogen in their ICE engines with great success, I don't know anything about the hydrogen fuel cells, but the fueling stations would need to automated (robots) for it to be safe to use. I don't see it ever happening, at least not in my life time. Toyota has a model that they are selling, basically using hydrogen to make electricity. And they show a person filling it up, while also saying it takes about 5 minutes. www.toyota.com/mirai/It really comes down to advantages and trade offs. It is hard to transfer as much electrical energy as is in 10-30 gallons of gas, quickly to a car. OTOH, nearly no one has a gas pump at home these days, so for those that just plug in at home and rarely have to go somewhere to fill up, there is a huge advantage most of the time. So the current tradeoff of needing longer when making a big trip might be ok, depending on what your normal and abnormal usage is. Change takes time. Maybe in the next 10-30 years much more of us will be using EVs. Maybe hydrogen. Maybe still ICE, with a skew towards hybrids and turbos to boost efficiency. Toyoda is probably right, that there will be a mix of things, even 20+ years out. Change does take time, and some vehicles that don't get in a wreck last a long time.
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