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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 13:29:10 GMT -8
re: TSLA, it was like the stock rebounded after Elon Musk's comments.
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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 13:30:21 GMT -8
Wake me up when there's a breakout or breakdown... No kidding. Hyper volatility seems almost as bad as endless melt up. Let's have a resolution and go from there already.
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Post by lovemyipad on Jun 5, 2013 13:32:19 GMT -8
Wake me up when there's a breakout or breakdown... Don't be surprised if I wake you up tomorrow, maybe Friday. LOL!!!
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Post by wheeles on Jun 5, 2013 13:34:25 GMT -8
In After Hours there were 8 trades printed at the Closing price ($445.11) for an aggregate of 28,269 shares within minutes of each other (4:00 PM and 4:32 PM). These were the only trades made at the Closing price. Total value of these trades was $12,582,145.90. Now looking at the daily chart in candle mode, the last minute of trading was down. Considering that these are the only trades printed in After Hours at the Closing price, I think these were At the Close trades, and the recording in After Hours was housekeeping. I would not be surprised if these were from the same buyer with instructions to buy as many shares as possible with a $12,500,000.00 cap. Apple can only purchase on a down tick. Considering the size and timing of the trades, I would take bets that these particular trades were an Apple buyback. You often get late trade reports coming in during AH and also the following PM especially if done internally by a broker between two clients. There really is no telling who was on either side of trade unless you happen to be one of the counterparties or brokers involved with it. As for the timing, it could easily have been hedge funds putting in limit or market at close orders. It doesn't have to have been Apple doing it.
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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 13:34:49 GMT -8
I dunno. IS it different this time? Or yet another SPY bounce off the 50-day (after a fakeout or whatever)?
At least the markets cooled off some. More sustainable longer-term.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jun 5, 2013 13:51:59 GMT -8
In After Hours there were 8 trades printed at the Closing price ($445.11) for an aggregate of 28,269 shares within minutes of each other (4:00 PM and 4:32 PM). These were the only trades made at the Closing price. Total value of these trades was $12,582,145.90. Now looking at the daily chart in candle mode, the last minute of trading was down. Considering that these are the only trades printed in After Hours at the Closing price, I think these were At the Close trades, and the recording in After Hours was housekeeping. I would not be surprised if these were from the same buyer with instructions to buy as many shares as possible with a $12,500,000.00 cap. Apple can only purchase on a down tick. Considering the size and timing of the trades, I would take bets that these particular trades were an Apple buyback. Issuers doing a 10b-18 (buyback) program cannot be buying at the close...here is the rule: Issuers according to 10b-18: You often get late trade reports coming in during AH and also the following PM especially if done internally by a broker between two clients. There really is no telling who was on either side of trade unless you happen to be one of the counterparties or brokers involved with it. As for the timing, it could easily have been hedge funds putting in limit or market at close orders. It doesn't have to have been Apple doing it. The rule breaks down as follows: Manner of purchase: The issuer or affiliate must purchase all shares from a single broker or deal during a single day. Timing: An issuer with an average trading volume less than $1 million per day or a public float value below $150 million is unable to trade within the last 30 minutes of trading. Companies with higher average-trading-volume or public float value can trade up until the last 10 minutes. Price: The issuer must repurchase at a price that does not exceed the highest independent bid or the last transaction price quoted. Volume: The issuer can't purchase more than 25% of the average daily volume. The SEC also specified more detailed disclosure requirements for repurchases. In each quarterly report on Form 10-Q and in the annual report on Form 10-K, the company must provide a table showing, on a month-by-month basis: the total number of shares purchased, the average price paid per share, the total number of shares purchased under publicly announced repurchase programs, and the maximum number of shares that may be repurchased under these programs (or maximum dollar amount if the limit is stated in those terms).
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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 14:28:29 GMT -8
Not really getting those "supply constraint" rumors on the displays for the Retina MBPs. One year and there's enough of a display redesign to cause a disruption?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 15:15:36 GMT -8
Issuers doing a 10b-18 (buyback) program cannot be buying at the close...here is the rule: Issuers according to 10b-18: You often get late trade reports coming in during AH and also the following PM especially if done internally by a broker between two clients. There really is no telling who was on either side of trade unless you happen to be one of the counterparties or brokers involved with it. As for the timing, it could easily have been hedge funds putting in limit or market at close orders. It doesn't have to have been Apple doing it. The rule breaks down as follows: Manner of purchase: The issuer or affiliate must purchase all shares from a single broker or deal during a single day. Timing: An issuer with an average trading volume less than $1 million per day or a public float value below $150 million is unable to trade within the last 30 minutes of trading. Companies with higher average-trading-volume or public float value can trade up until the last 10 minutes. Price: The issuer must repurchase at a price that does not exceed the highest independent bid or the last transaction price quoted. Volume: The issuer can't purchase more than 25% of the average daily volume. The SEC also specified more detailed disclosure requirements for repurchases. In each quarterly report on Form 10-Q and in the annual report on Form 10-K, the company must provide a table showing, on a month-by-month basis: the total number of shares purchased, the average price paid per share, the total number of shares purchased under publicly announced repurchase programs, and the maximum number of shares that may be repurchased under these programs (or maximum dollar amount if the limit is stated in those terms). Wheeles, you may very well be correct. I'm just saying that, in light of Apple's stated buyback (which they announced has already begun) program, a purchase as described could easily be attributed to Apple, especially considering price, time and rule. Thanks for the Rule clarification Phoe
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Post by mstrmac on Jun 5, 2013 16:07:07 GMT -8
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Post by sponge on Jun 5, 2013 16:11:10 GMT -8
I think Apple should buy Fisker. They are going into Bankruptcy and would be cheaper then Tesla.
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Post by Lstream on Jun 5, 2013 16:19:51 GMT -8
My house may be up for sale soon. Apple should buy it. Then fill the garage up with Fiskers. John Deere is also king of lawn mowers. Apple should buy them too. Then they should go after American Standard, the dominant maker of toilets and urinals.
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Post by nathanstevens on Jun 5, 2013 17:03:33 GMT -8
I think Apple should buy Fisker. They are going into Bankruptcy and would be cheaper then Tesla. I'd say the fact they are headed into bankruptcy and Tesla is not is a great reason NOT to buy Fisker. Fisker is dead and Tesla is just getting started. Plus, if you buy Tesla you get Elon and inroads to Solar City and Space X. I don't think Apple buying Tesla is very likely at this time, but I think that Elon Musk would make an interesting addition to Apple's board.
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Post by sponge on Jun 5, 2013 17:09:15 GMT -8
I think Apple should buy Fisker. They are going into Bankruptcy and would be cheaper then Tesla. I'd say the fact they are headed into bankruptcy and Tesla is not is a great reason NOT to buy Fisker. Fisker is dead and Tesla is just getting started. Plus, if you buy Tesla you get Elon and inroads to Solar City and Space X. I don't think Apple buying Tesla is very likely at this time, but I think that Elon Musk would make an interesting addition to Apple's board. I think Apple should do cars. SJ wanted to do that. Tesla would be too expensive to purchase and they have their own growing issues. Fisker is in trouble not because of the technology but financing. My research indicated Fisker has a good product. Apple could buy them and then spend the next 5 years perfecting the car before selling it to the public.
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Post by sponge on Jun 5, 2013 17:13:15 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 17:16:28 GMT -8
I'd say the fact they are headed into bankruptcy and Tesla is not is a great reason NOT to buy Fisker. Fisker is dead and Tesla is just getting started. Plus, if you buy Tesla you get Elon and inroads to Solar City and Space X. I don't think Apple buying Tesla is very likely at this time, but I think that Elon Musk would make an interesting addition to Apple's board. I think Apple should do cars. SJ wanted to do that. Tesla would be too expensive to purchase and they have their own growing issues. Fisker is in trouble not because of the technology but financing. My research indicated Fisker has a good product. Apple could buy them and then spend the next 5 years perfecting the car before selling it to the public. Fisker failed because the product was not reliable. Decent styling but too costly. Untimely recalls sank this brand, which was obvious back in October. Everyone thinks Tesla is a home-run longer term. It's not. Wait until the majors enter this space with volume production and an established dealer network. Tesla won't be able to compete on price and there's no proprietary technology to prevent the major brands from putting massive pressure on Elon's dream of selling direct to customers (which isn't a sure thing anyway given existing franchise laws).
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Post by cbingle on Jun 5, 2013 17:29:14 GMT -8
Lovemyipad: I thought you were all knowing with your fancy charts. Which way is the stock going?
It is going up. You can confirm after the fact.
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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 17:37:22 GMT -8
Car Talk lives again!
Look, I just want an improved iOS 7 for WWDC and some refreshed Macs, thank you very much. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 18:05:48 GMT -8
I think Apple should buy Fisker. They are going into Bankruptcy and would be cheaper then Tesla. Sponge has picked up 4 Exalts in the last 24 hours and I can GUARANTEE it wasn't me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 18:07:20 GMT -8
My house may be up for sale soon. Apple should buy it. Then fill the garage up with Fiskers. John Deere is also king of lawn mowers. Apple should buy them too. Then they should go after American Standard, the dominant maker of toilets and urinals. LOL that is worth an Exalt.
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Post by sponge on Jun 5, 2013 18:17:08 GMT -8
I agree with Barclays in their note. m.barrons.com/articles/BL-TB-39986The part we will have to wait for is fingerprint authentication for mobile payments. We may get it next year with a bigger iPhone. Improving, iCloud, Passbook, Maps, Siris, and adding more gaming and iRadio should get the ball rolling this year for a nicer and faster 5S.
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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 18:17:47 GMT -8
Tell us how you really feel, Lstream. ;D
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Post by sponge on Jun 5, 2013 18:19:31 GMT -8
I think Apple should buy Fisker. They are going into Bankruptcy and would be cheaper then Tesla. Sponge has picked up 4 Exalts in the last 24 hours and I can GUARANTEE it wasn't me. The exalts I care for will be the $ signs that keep my account growing. Apple will get into cars and mobile payments in a big way. They will need to buy a car company however. I give it 5 to 10 years.
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Post by nathanstevens on Jun 5, 2013 18:25:22 GMT -8
The weekly 450 call wall increased today, but pain range remains 445-449.99 for Friday.
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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 18:25:44 GMT -8
Mobile payments...so intriguing, and yet so very far away.
Either payment processors work to integrate with iOS + some onboard wireless tech that _isn't_ Wave 'n Pray; Apple adopts NFC (even less likely); or Apple bypasses merchant payment processors completely (even less likely than NFC?).
There's always the possibility of Apple working with an existing disruptive company like Square, but who knows. In any case Apple isn't about to upend the giants like Visa (why would it want to?), and until that happens merchant processing fees will stay what they are.
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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 18:32:45 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Jun 5, 2013 18:35:22 GMT -8
Tell us how you really feel, Lstream. ;D Sure. Could you imagine the buying frenzy if Apple then merged American Standard and Fisker? First car with a urinal! Siri integration then follows. The possibilities are endless and exciting.
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Post by Mav on Jun 5, 2013 18:38:58 GMT -8
But the car's...electric... ;D Thank you, Lstream, for opening my eyes to the OTHER form of flushing the cache.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 19:06:19 GMT -8
but pain range remains 445-449.99 for Friday. That's where I now see AAPL Closing. This morning (not early enough) I closed my $450/$455 BCS at a loss, then double downed on the $440/$445 BCS.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 19:17:21 GMT -8
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Post by lovemyipad on Jun 5, 2013 19:33:59 GMT -8
Lovemyipad: I thought you were all knowing with your fancy charts. Which way is the stock going? It is going up. You can confirm after the fact. STMF.
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