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Post by Mav on Jun 12, 2013 0:15:16 GMT -8
Fun fact: The new Mac Pro takes up less space than the G4 Cube (it would be a little taller/wider if not for the Cube being suspended by its enclosure for airflow reasons or whatever). Pretty amazing, though it obviously doesn't help expandability. Guess we'll have to wait and see if anything other than maybe RAM can ever be switched out by the end user.
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Post by wheeles on Jun 12, 2013 1:36:24 GMT -8
Fun fact: The new Mac Pro takes up less space than the G4 Cube (it would be a little taller/wider if not for the Cube being suspended by its enclosure for airflow reasons or whatever). Pretty amazing, though it obviously doesn't help expandability. Guess we'll have to wait and see if anything other than maybe RAM can ever be switched out by the end user. Schiller said that the new Mac Pro is expandable externally via Thunderbolt. It'll be interesting to see whether you can still upgrade the memory in it. Storage space looked like it was an SSD soldered to a board. I couldn't see any other connectors in the presentation. That makes me think Apple want you to overspec the machine when you order it rather than upgrading parts later on. If you do wish to upgrade via cards then an external card chassis (at great expense) is your only real option. Even then not sure about memory expandability.
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Post by appledoc on Jun 12, 2013 3:01:50 GMT -8
Another boring day in the land of never ending narrowing bollinger bands? I swear, if this keeps up, the upper BB may cross the lower. That's sarcasm if you didn't sense it. The BBs are 23 points wide, which is the tightest I can remember.
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Post by jmolloy on Jun 12, 2013 3:05:53 GMT -8
Schiller said that the new Mac Pro is expandable externally via Thunderbolt. It'll be interesting to see whether you can still upgrade the memory in it. The sides slide off and you have 4 memory slots.
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Post by wheeles on Jun 12, 2013 4:06:28 GMT -8
Schiller said that the new Mac Pro is expandable externally via Thunderbolt. It'll be interesting to see whether you can still upgrade the memory in it. The sides slide off and you have 4 memory slots. Well that's good. I'm guessing there will be 2 or 3 skus for storage and if you want more, you need to add an external drive(s).
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Post by redinaustin on Jun 12, 2013 4:36:11 GMT -8
This is a change. Schiller tweeting about Apple. In the past he's avoided doing that like the plague. @pschiller: This is what matters. t.co/f81ccshIZiOn a personal note, I've probably watched it 15 times.
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Post by rob_london on Jun 12, 2013 4:38:40 GMT -8
Why is the software development industry so male-dominated? Watching the WWDC video, the number of women in the audience seemed to be outnumbered ten to one.
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Post by lulli on Jun 12, 2013 5:11:51 GMT -8
Fun fact: The new Mac Pro takes up less space than the G4 Cube (it would be a little taller/wider if not for the Cube being suspended by its enclosure for airflow reasons or whatever). Pretty amazing, though it obviously doesn't help expandability. Guess we'll have to wait and see if anything other than maybe RAM can ever be switched out by the end user. Schiller said that the new Mac Pro is expandable externally via Thunderbolt. It'll be interesting to see whether you can still upgrade the memory in it. Storage space looked like it was an SSD soldered to a board. I couldn't see any other connectors in the presentation. That makes me think Apple want you to overspec the machine when you order it rather than upgrading parts later on. If you do wish to upgrade via cards then an external card chassis (at great expense) is your only real option. Even then not sure about memory expandability. The most important thing with the new design is that you potentially need exactly _one_ single thunderbolt cable to connect it to any external expansion you need, i.e. one chassis or more containing everything from hard drives to graphic cards. This means that you can replace the central unit with another one easily, or even just plug-in all the peripherals in your portable if the need arises. No such flexibility ever existed before. All this is only possible now because of thunderbold, the key new enabling technology. Characteristically, Apple is doing the same thing they did with the floppy disk.
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Post by wheeles on Jun 12, 2013 5:20:43 GMT -8
Schiller said that the new Mac Pro is expandable externally via Thunderbolt. It'll be interesting to see whether you can still upgrade the memory in it. Storage space looked like it was an SSD soldered to a board. I couldn't see any other connectors in the presentation. That makes me think Apple want you to overspec the machine when you order it rather than upgrading parts later on. If you do wish to upgrade via cards then an external card chassis (at great expense) is your only real option. Even then not sure about memory expandability. The most important thing with the new design is that you potentially need exactly _one_ single thunderbolt cable to connect it to any external expansion you need, i.e. one chassis or more containing everything from hard drives to graphic cards. This means that you can replace the central unit with another one easily, or even just plug-in all the peripherals in your portable if the need arises. No such flexibility ever existed before. All this is only possible now because of thunderbold, the key new enabling technology. Characteristically, Apple is doing the same thing they did with the floppy disk. Now most people will realise that they don't really need those five expansion slots. As far as storage goes, the use of an SSD makes the need for separate disks for performance reasons an irrelevance. Now you just need to think about external storage for backup reasons or archival as there will be more than enough on-board storage for most uses and projects. That's if you aren't already using some sort of network or cloud storage already.
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Post by jmolloy on Jun 12, 2013 5:25:09 GMT -8
The most important thing with the new design is that you potentially need exactly _one_ single thunderbolt cable to connect it to any external expansion you need, Actually I think the current version of the spec allows only 6 devices in a chain. I will go and do some research and check back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 5:28:32 GMT -8
The Mac Pro is awesome. The paradigm of expansion via a Heathkit-type box is gone with today's I/O options. Thunderbolt and SSD are game changers so those critical of Mac Pro over its diminutive size are thinking old school, legacy solutions. Frankly, the hardware has outrun the software, and it's less relevant to demand plug-and-play upgradability, as compared to 10-15 years ago.
I think the Mac Pro will do very, very well.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 12, 2013 5:44:48 GMT -8
The Mac Pro is awesome. The paradigm of expansion via a Heathkit-type box is gone with today's I/O options. Thunderbolt and SSD are game changers so those critical of Mac Pro over its diminutive size are thinking old school, legacy solutions. Frankly, the hardware has outrun the software, and it's less relevant to demand plug-and-play upgradability, as compared to 10-15 years ago. I think the Mac Pro will do very, very well. I work with some folks in design and publishing. they are salivating. They have been waiting...and now this...
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Post by macwire on Jun 12, 2013 6:20:51 GMT -8
Lance. Bingo. :/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 6:23:06 GMT -8
Does anyone have any estimates/predictions for the summer quarter? I can't see a single catalyst for that quarter product wise and it looks like 6EPS may be in cards. Considering Apple was 13.81 for a quarter 6 months ago and that was a disappoint in itself, it makes you realize why this stock was chopped in half. Get real. This is no F'ing way Apple reports $6 something for FQ3 2013. Did you read last quarter's guidance? If you want to feel better about being short AAPL or something there are better places than here for that.
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Post by sponge on Jun 12, 2013 6:24:51 GMT -8
Apple better be buying its own stock now in nice small chunks.
iOS 7 on new iPhones and iPads this fall will give us a nice eps boost YOY.
If we can get back over 445 by Friday I will call it a victory.
For today we just need to get back to green.
Volume is becoming more pathetic.
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Post by wheeles on Jun 12, 2013 6:28:13 GMT -8
If we can get back over 445 by Friday I will call it a victory. I'm quietly confident that we could reach 444 today.
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Post by sponge on Jun 12, 2013 6:31:48 GMT -8
If we can get back over 445 by Friday I will call it a victory. I'm quietly confident that we could reach 444 today. I am not that bullish but I have seen wild swings when you least expected. It should be noted that 432 seems to be the new line in the sand for the rest post April earnings lows. We tried 4 times to breach it with no success and quick moves upward. For the first time this year I may transfer some of my own money to buy some shares. We are really discounted here for no reason other then market manipulation.
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Post by rickag on Jun 12, 2013 6:56:13 GMT -8
My 2¢
EPS will be in line but AAPL will react more do to guidance. After FQ 4, guidance should be stellar and FQ 1 should break records.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 7:09:39 GMT -8
The most important thing with the new design is that you potentially need exactly _one_ single thunderbolt cable to connect it to any external expansion you need, i.e. one chassis or more containing everything from hard drives to graphic cards. This means that you can replace the central unit with another one easily, or even just plug-in all the peripherals in your portable if the need arises. No such flexibility ever existed before. All this is only possible now because of thunderbold, the key new enabling technology. Characteristically, Apple is doing the same thing they did with the floppy disk. Now most people will realise that they don't really need those five expansion slots. As far as storage goes, the use of an SSD makes the need for separate disks for performance reasons an irrelevance. Now you just need to think about external storage for backup reasons or archival as there will be more than enough on-board storage for most uses and projects. That's if you aren't already using some sort of network or cloud storage already. I've been going back over the specs, and for the life of me I don't understand the need for expandability on the world's largest, fastest truck, and more importantly, why that expansion has to be internal. Backup storage is another issue, but how many backup to an internal drive? I'll wager that >90% of these puppies ship with maxed out memory, with external storage being added later. On the bright side, as an investor, Apple is going to sell a lot of these (YoY unit sales growth?) with a higher ASP. FQ1/2014 is going to be huge.
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Post by wheeles on Jun 12, 2013 7:29:24 GMT -8
Now most people will realise that they don't really need those five expansion slots. As far as storage goes, the use of an SSD makes the need for separate disks for performance reasons an irrelevance. Now you just need to think about external storage for backup reasons or archival as there will be more than enough on-board storage for most uses and projects. That's if you aren't already using some sort of network or cloud storage already. I've been going back over the specs, and for the life of me I don't understand the need for expandability on the world's largest, fastest truck, and more importantly, why that expansion has to be internal. Backup storage is another issue, but how many backup to an internal drive? I have a first gen Mac Pro with 4 internal disks. For years I did a weekly clone of some partitions and did incremental time machine backups of really important stuff to another disk. All was done internally. Prior to that I had a Mac mini with several external drives doing largely the same sort of thing. So in effect I went from one extreme of everything being external to the other with everything being internal. I am currently using an iMac with a couple of external drives, although for most of the time, only one is powered on. I still do a weekly clone of a couple of partitions, but the big difference is that I no longer do an incremental time machine backup to a disk but instead do that to a secure cloud service. I can imagine that for most people backing up to the cloud will become the norm so lots of on-board storage is no longer necessary.
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Post by appledoc on Jun 12, 2013 7:34:20 GMT -8
For the first time this year I may transfer some of my own money to buy some shares. We are really discounted here for no reason other then market manipulation. You've been using money other than your own this whole time? The horror.
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Post by macwire on Jun 12, 2013 7:41:24 GMT -8
For the first time this year I may transfer some of my own money to buy some shares. We are really discounted here for no reason other then market manipulation. You've been using money other than your own this whole time? The horror. ...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 7:41:25 GMT -8
I've been going back over the specs, and for the life of me I don't understand the need for expandability on the world's largest, fastest truck, and more importantly, why that expansion has to be internal. Backup storage is another issue, but how many backup to an internal drive? I have a first gen Mac Pro with 4 internal disks. For years I did a weekly clone of some partitions and did incremental time machine backups of really important stuff to another disk. All was done internally. Prior to that I had a Mac mini with several external drives doing largely the same sort of thing. So in effect I went from one extreme of everything being external to the other with everything being internal. I am currently using an iMac with a couple of external drives, although for most of the time, only one is powered on. I still do a weekly clone of a couple of partitions, but the big difference is that I no longer do an incremental time machine backup to a disk but instead do that to a secure cloud service. I can imagine that for most people backing up to the cloud will become the norm so lots of on-board storage is no longer necessary. We share similar experiences. I too have a Mac Mini SSD that I used Carbon Copy Cloner for clones to HDD. I'm considering Crash Plan for cloud backups. At least half of my work is already in the cloud so you're exactly right when you say the need is less for a cabinet holding racks for extra HDDs. That's old school thinking.
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Post by wheeles on Jun 12, 2013 7:56:20 GMT -8
We share similar experiences. I too have a Mac Mini SSD that I used Carbon Copy Cloner for clones to HDD. I'm considering Crash Plan for cloud backups. At least half of my work is already in the cloud so you're exactly right when you say the need is less for a cabinet holding racks for extra HDDs. That's old school thinking. I used to just use Dropbox, but now I use a combination of SpiderOak and Mega. Yesterday, I started to trial AeroFS for syncing stuff to my brother's computer which bypasses the cloud altogether.
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Post by sponge on Jun 12, 2013 8:07:50 GMT -8
Institutional ownership jumped to 63.43 from 61.85 on the CNBC app.
Talk about buying on weakness for the smarter big boys.
Once again WS and retail investors still don't understand how big iOS 7 will be for the bottom line.
Everyone seems to only invest for 6 months and can't see beyond that when it comes to Apple
But when it comes to AMZN and GOOG, the future has never been brighter despite huge dark clouds on the horizon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 8:16:58 GMT -8
Institutional ownership jumped to 63.43 from 61.85 on the CNBC app. FINVIZ shows a jump from 61.85 to 61.93. 63.43 would be the highest in nearly 6 months. Strange that CNBC would show a jump like that, neither daily volume nor Buying on Weakness charts show that kind of activity.
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Post by nathanstevens on Jun 12, 2013 8:28:44 GMT -8
Really enjoying iOS7. Quick observations:
Everything seems easier to do with ONE hand and swiping up with your thumb to access the most commonly used settings is brilliant.
iTunes Radio seems to "get me" better than Pandora and seems to have fewer repeats. Full history of songs you have listened to is available with a purchase button.
Tabs in Safari are great. Scroll to the bottom and you can see the open tabs on your other iOS devices.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 9:12:35 GMT -8
Really enjoying iOS7. Quick observations: Everything seems easier to do with ONE hand and swiping up with your thumb to access the most commonly used settings is brilliant. iTunes Radio seems to "get me" better than Pandora and seems to have fewer repeats. Full history of songs you have listened to is available with a purchase button. Tabs in Safari are great. Scroll to the bottom and you can see the open tabs on your other iOS devices. I'm enjoying it as well, but the battery life has been terrible for me so far...maybe 4 hours. Are you experiencing this as well? Also, some apps don't work like EBay and Podcasts, but thats to be expected with a Beta 1.
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Post by Nevyn on Jun 12, 2013 10:26:17 GMT -8
Apple better be buying its own stock now in nice small chunks. iOS 7 on new iPhones and iPads this fall will give us a nice eps boost YOY. That is if they can make enough. Apple made a mistake by trying to ramp up the new iMac during the fall and could not ship enough. Will the same happen this year with new ipad and iphones? I preferred their earlier schedule: iPad in March, iPhone in June.
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Post by sponge on Jun 12, 2013 10:34:20 GMT -8
Apple better be buying its own stock now in nice small chunks. iOS 7 on new iPhones and iPads this fall will give us a nice eps boost YOY. That is if they can make enough. Apple made a mistake by trying to ramp up the new iMac during the fall and could not ship enough. Will the same happen this year with new ipad and iphones? I preferred their earlier schedule: iPad in March, iPhone in June. Funny You say that. Please watch the video on the CNBC app in relationships to Apple and the supply chain. They interview an Analyst who claims that Apple is making significant progress in making sure they have enough parts for the new iPhone 5s.
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