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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 7:56:45 GMT -8
Giz is running a positive review of Moto X. The video is ok, but honestly, aside from the voice activated Google Now (which may or may not work as advertised), it doesn't look that interesting to me. The design is so-so. Amoled displays do suck. Many put a case on their phone so why do I care about the custom back colors? Moto has a mixed record on its cameras. Older Android version but probably upgradeable (or are the hardware specs not optimized for 4.3?). The larger display is probably its best feature vs. the iPhone. I think it will steal market share from the GS4 but the iPhone? I doubt it, based on what I'm expecting of the iPhone 5s (or 6). Participants on this forum are probably pretty married to iOS, so we likely fall outside the target market for this product. But for switchers and dedicated Android users, I think that Motorola has made some potentially smart moves that I will be watching. The most significant one for me is the impact of that multi-processor architecture on battery life. Instead of just chasing specs, Moto has put some intelligence and thought into the architecture, with a focus on battery life, which is what the average user actually cares about. The voice activation benefits from this choice, since the phone can be listening without clobbering battery life. This is a feature that cannot be easily copied, without seriously hurting battery life. Remember, for this feature to work, it has to be listening all day. It is also smart enough to process your voice locally when you wake it up. It will not respond to anyone but you. This is a useful trick. As is the ability to perform Siri-like functions without touching the phone. I also think that is a great feature, and so is Active Display. So I think we have a device here that when looked at superficially and through the "tried and true" way of judging phones, looks mediocre on first glance, or when it is given the sound-bite treatment. But Motorola has not gone the route of Samsung with a bunch of useless gimmicks. On first blush, there seems to be some intelligent thought and engineering put into this device. We still need to see how well these ideas hold up in real use, or if the buying public will get it. So if I was thinking of leaving iOS, this would be a product I would take a serious look at.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 8:29:04 GMT -8
If we get a fingerprint sensor, I would have more confidence in THAT security than voice, not to mention the lower drag on juice with a hardware solution.
Again, I'd rather stare into an eclipse than look at an Amoled display in sunlight.
Plus, do I want Google potentially listening to me all the time? Hell, no! Seriously, Google (and FB) is stomping all over user privacy, and I believe we're a good article away from it blowing up in their face.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 8:30:42 GMT -8
Double the battery life would definitely create a significant surge in sales.. .... And AAPL. It appears to me an $80.00 Mophie juice pack would suffice = up to 80% increase in battery service. Way too bulky. I've seen this and one has to be desperate for battery to hang this degree of cumbersome on the iPhone.
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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 8:59:12 GMT -8
If we get a fingerprint sensor, I would have more confidence in THAT security than voice, not to mention the lower drag on juice with a hardware solution. Again, I'd rather stare into an eclipse than look at an Amoled display in sunlight. Plus, do I want Google potentially listening to me all the time? Hell, no! Seriously, Google (and FB) is stomping all over user privacy, and I believe we're a good article away from it blowing up in their face. I too would never agree to even signing up for Google Now. I don't trust them. But I do have some respect for what Motorola has done with this product. They have not followed the crowd with mindless spec chasing. They have put some real thought into stuff that actually matters. Even though I will never buy one, I can still respect what they have done. Unlike Samsung, who I have ZERO respect for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 9:28:30 GMT -8
I agree that Moto is showing some intelligence in prioritizing usability vs. tech specs, but that's lost on the phandroids, judging from their primal screams. Too funny.
Don't forget though, that Android is also a copy job. And I don't make distinctions between ripping off hardware and software.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Aug 4, 2013 9:41:53 GMT -8
I agree that Moto is showing some intelligence in prioritizing usability vs. tech specs, but that's lost on the phandroids, judging from their primal screams. Too funny. Don't forget though, that Android is also a copy job. And I don't make distinctions between ripping off hardware and software. The galaxy S4, the Moto X and the HTC one are the best that the Android ecosystem has to offer. Each has appeal to a segment of the population, but very, very few Apple users are going to leave IOS for any of those experiences. The reverse is not true. Remember, we have not seen all the bells and whistles the Apple hardware/software combo will rollout in five weeks. Much to look forward to......and the combination of processing power, security, beauty, ease of use, affordability and functionality will be stunning. Can't wait!
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Post by JDSoCal on Aug 4, 2013 9:59:08 GMT -8
I thought this was the AAPL forum not the Moto X forum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 10:19:43 GMT -8
The weatherman really got it wrong in Spokane this weekend. On Thursday rain was forecasted for the entire weekend. Granted it rained like hell all Friday, but by Saturday skies were the most beautiful clear blue, accented by the occasional white fluffy clouds. Temps in low 80s with 20% humidity. Heaven. Its been that way ever since. Forecasts are for this weather to last through the upcoming week. On another note: Dilger wrote a definitive piece that every proponent for a low cost iPhone should read. tinyurl.com/Apple-IS-Winning
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 10:33:05 GMT -8
I thought this was the AAPL forum not the Moto X forum. Take your pick: A. Out of new rumors/ideas about iPhone 5S B. Just a commercial pause between your TA reports ;D C. Samsung is paying me to talk smack about Moto X D. All of the above.
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Post by phoebear611 on Aug 4, 2013 10:35:50 GMT -8
And add: E. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. (It's always good to know what they are up to!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 10:37:27 GMT -8
And add: E. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. (It's always good to know what they are up to!) You seek to find out what's underneath Google's fingernails too, eh? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 10:52:10 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Aug 4, 2013 11:07:41 GMT -8
I thought this was the AAPL forum not the Moto X forum. Here is my simplified view of the forum and what the various bits of input mean regarding what we can talk about. Do I have this right? Except for the typo in the TA bubble that is.
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Post by JDSoCal on Aug 4, 2013 11:28:53 GMT -8
I thought this was the AAPL forum not the Moto X forum. Here is my simplified view of the forum and what the various bits of input mean regarding what we can talk about. Do I have this right? Except for the typo in the TA bubble that is. Cute graphic, especially the Sponge icon. But I'd rather talk about what happens to this stock tomorrow when it confronts 463.XX for the third time, instead of some phone from a company that has yet to show it can launch a successful hardware product.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 11:39:54 GMT -8
Apple set a high bar for itself with battery life with the Haswell MacBook Airs, for sure. But we're also still at a point in mobile where speed increases are needed and expected. "Look more battery life!" won't be enough by itself, and I'd think Apple knows it. Particularly given where iOS 7 is headed. Apple has been OUTRIGHT LEADING in mobile graphics (and more than competitive its CPU+iOS combo) from the start, and to suddenly see it stop would be...curious.
Of course, I'd _love_ more battery life. Question of tradeoffs, though.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 11:43:45 GMT -8
How long did it take to get a dividend and buyback program? Apple's getting comfortable with the idea of "responsible lobbying" I think. It was well-prepared for Taxgate, it's scoring points with Mac Pro "Assembled in USA" even though it really _won't_ help create a huge number of jobs, etc. You'd think SEP-gate and Patent Wars clued Apple in to the need to be more politically involved...
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Post by rosie on Aug 4, 2013 12:39:30 GMT -8
I think the speed at which the iP 5 recharges is rapid. I just connect it to USB when I get in the car so it is charging while I drive; if I think I'll be needing charging beyond that I put take my already charged newtrent along. carry a regular AC charger in the glovebox. seems to cover all needs. newtrent stuff is great, by the way. www.newtrent.com
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Post by tuffett on Aug 4, 2013 13:03:44 GMT -8
Here is my simplified view of the forum and what the various bits of input mean regarding what we can talk about. Do I have this right? Except for the typo in the TA bubble that is. Cute graphic, especially the Sponge icon. But I'd rather talk about what happens to this stock tomorrow when it confronts 463.XX for the third time, instead of some phone from a company that has yet to show it can launch a successful hardware product. That's fine - then talk about it. Others may not care much about tomorrow, but are more interested in the longer term impacts of a potential serious competitor to the smartphone industry, which is also fine. I'll never understand why people have this "my way or the highway" attitude about the topics on a discussion board.
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Post by tuffett on Aug 4, 2013 13:06:36 GMT -8
Apple set a high bar for itself with battery life with the Haswell MacBook Airs, for sure. But we're also still at a point in mobile where speed increases are needed and expected. "Look more battery life!" won't be enough by itself, and I'd think Apple knows it. Particularly given where iOS 7 is headed. Apple has been OUTRIGHT LEADING in mobile graphics (and more than competitive its CPU+iOS combo) from the start, and to suddenly see it stop would be...curious. Of course, I'd _love_ more battery life. Question of tradeoffs, though. I think most of us would like the continued increase in performance. What we are willing to sacrifice is a few millimeters of thickness. At the stage we are at now, I think very few people care about thickness over battery life.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 13:09:41 GMT -8
Whatever iPad says (or doesn't disallow) goes, IHMO. ;D
I like free-ranging discussion, personally. Though yeah, MotoX being a threat is...far from established, and I'm all about talking what happens with AAPL as it trades into the 460-470 resistance zone.
So far, so good over 460, but is there enough carryover momentum from Friday for a move to the high 460s tomorrow? For now, I think there is. But our first indirect clues (futures) aren't due in for another hour.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 13:14:21 GMT -8
Agreed tuffett, but it's probably not as easy as "a few millimeters of thickness." There's also rumors that Apple isn't really going the expanded battery capacity route this year: www.macrumors.com/2013/06/28/alleged-iphone-5s-batteries-photographed-on-production-line/Gotta love stagnant battery technology, sigh. At least there's the potential for a little capacity boost. Of course, there's other ways to optimize for battery life, such as the screen. And since the trend isn't towards max battery life (no HugePhone can really outclass the iPhone in battery life, and talk time optimizations aren't the selling point Moto would like it to be, since they've been supposedly leading that metric for a while now), no big deal yet. Is iPhone 5 battery _sufficient_ for the class? So far, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 13:18:00 GMT -8
I never understood why people took so much offence at Sponge's posts. We all know that he had as much of a clue as the rest of us (ie none) and his posts were easy to take with a pinch of salt.
Personally, I found the posts of others far more unpalatable. In such cases, the easy solution is to take a break from things as there are few activities more of a waste of time than arguing with people on the Internet.
Oh yeah, new account etc. I deleted the previous one for the above reason.
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Post by JDSoCal on Aug 4, 2013 13:27:21 GMT -8
That's fine - then talk about it. Others may not care much about tomorrow, but are more interested in the longer term impacts of a potential serious competitor to the smartphone industry, which is also fine. Really? Since when is Google a serious competitor in the mobile hardware industry? Or in any other industry other than selling people's personal information to advertisers? Yep, that's a fair characterization of my call to discuss tomorrow's price action, "my way or the highway." That's why I moved to create a separate Pain thread, because I am the alpha male dominating the IntraDay & Weekend Updates threads and trying to create it in my image. I give up. Like Gregg has.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 13:28:00 GMT -8
And yet you return! ;D Welcome back...wheeles? Sorry, I prefer your original tag.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 13:30:41 GMT -8
Wha? There's the ignore button, and I'm more than happy to talk levels with anyone here. Almost anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 13:36:12 GMT -8
Welcome back Wheeles, er, Birdie. Hey, like Lstream said, Live and let live. Most of the time.
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Post by Mav on Aug 4, 2013 13:56:24 GMT -8
Yep, most of the time, but sometimes you just gotta have a chat with North Dakota (/Lstream)
Overall, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about tomorrow. Yes, it's possible the broader markets might rally, but there's much less reason for "AAPL selling" to fuel it.
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Post by appledoc on Aug 4, 2013 14:07:30 GMT -8
I'll never understand why people have this "my way or the highway" attitude about the topics on a discussion board. I think I've been fair in calling out the max pain believers and their excuses. But no worries anymore. They're all on ignore. I lose about 3/4ths of the intraday posts, but at least it's tolerable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 14:07:59 GMT -8
I never understood why people took so much offence at Sponge's posts. We all know that he had as much of a clue as the rest of us (ie none) and his posts were easy to take with a pinch of salt. Personally, I found the posts of others far more unpalatable. In such cases, the easy solution is to take a break from things as there are few activities more of a waste of time than arguing with people on the Internet. Oh yeah, new account etc. I deleted the previous one for the above reason. +1,000,000
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Post by tuffett on Aug 4, 2013 14:19:49 GMT -8
That's fine - then talk about it. Others may not care much about tomorrow, but are more interested in the longer term impacts of a potential serious competitor to the smartphone industry, which is also fine. Really? Since when is Google a serious competitor in the mobile hardware industry? Or in any other industry other than selling people's personal information to advertisers? Yep, that's a fair characterization of my call to discuss tomorrow's price action, "my way or the highway." That's why I moved to create a separate Pain thread, because I am the alpha male dominating the IntraDay & Weekend Updates threads and trying to create it in my image. I give up. Like Gregg has. Bolded for clarity...potential...potential...
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