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Post by phoebear611 on Aug 9, 2013 2:45:04 GMT -8
AAPL today - anyone's guess. Don't know if the Samsung/AAPL court results will happen during trading hours or after. We've had both occur in the past. I thought the stock looked weak in the PM until I realized it was only on 774 shares. When I see things like that I think that no one could be THAT stupid to sell a stock down over 2 points on so little....and then the skeptic in me says...ah unless someone is trying to "make it look weak" for ulterior motives. Cheers to the longs and may today's trading day bring all good things!
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Post by nagrani on Aug 9, 2013 2:55:26 GMT -8
No one starts the day better than u
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Post by artman1033 on Aug 9, 2013 4:30:47 GMT -8
What ruined Apple was not growth … They got very greedy … Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible … they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.” Often quoted from
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Post by Lstream on Aug 9, 2013 4:34:16 GMT -8
What ruined Apple was not growth … They got very greedy … Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible … they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.” Often quoted from If you are going to post Forbes articles, can you at least put information in your post that tells us that? I want no part of that link bait trash pile.
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Post by artman1033 on Aug 9, 2013 4:52:39 GMT -8
What ruined Apple was not growth … They got very greedy … Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible … they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.” Often quoted from If you are going to post Forbes articles, can you at least put information in your post that tells us that? I want no part of that link bait trash pile. For goodness sake! I have found the same quote in multiple articles. I am simply quoting from the FIRST link. What is important, is the person who said it.
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Post by Lstream on Aug 9, 2013 5:12:36 GMT -8
If you are going to post Forbes articles, can you at least put information in your post that tells us that? I want no part of that link bait trash pile. For goodness sake! I have found the same quote in multiple articles. I am simply quoting from the FIRST link. What is important, is the person who said it. All I am asking is that you name the source. I don't wish to reward trash heaps like Forbes with my hits. What you or I think about the content personally is irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 7:19:55 GMT -8
Did ITC leak news this morning? Puts at the $460 strike should close it there and above. I don't understand the weakness otherwise.
Forbes is worse than the National Enquirer....whore journalism.
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Post by applemuncher on Aug 9, 2013 7:23:56 GMT -8
For goodness sake! I have found the same quote in multiple articles. I am simply quoting from the FIRST link. What is important, is the person who said it. All I am asking is that you name the source. I don't wish to reward trash heaps like Forbes with my hits. What you or I think about the content personally is irrelevant. I disagree. My personal opinion: Forbes is not trash. Steve was right then, and he would be right today. Thanks for the original post Artman.
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Post by bud777 on Aug 9, 2013 7:29:51 GMT -8
I have to agree with Lstream on this. I think it is just courteous to let people know the source of the story. It is not about the content, it id about allowing people to choose who they support with clicks
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Post by applemuncher on Aug 9, 2013 7:37:33 GMT -8
I have to agree with Lstream on this. I think it is just courteous to let people know the source of the story. It is not about the content, it id about allowing people to choose who they support with clicks Fair enough. I like to know where I am clicking too. But the point of the post is worth discussion.
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Post by jmolloy on Aug 9, 2013 7:54:25 GMT -8
If you are using Safari and have the status bar turned on "COMMAND /" then all links are displayed when you mouse over them.
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Post by nagrani on Aug 9, 2013 9:02:37 GMT -8
So based on prior back to school sale expiration dates - prior apple media events - what is our best guess for when the media invite will come out for new products? Next week? Week after?
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Post by mace on Aug 9, 2013 9:21:44 GMT -8
What ruined Apple was not growth … They got very greedy … Instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make the thing an appliance and get this out there to as many people as possible … they went for profits. They made outlandish profits for about four years. What this cost them was their future. What they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share.” Often quoted from This is what I'm worry about since 2010. Making the same mistake for iPhone as for Mac. I know Lstream doesn't agree, have to agree to disagree. Apple's vision is supposed to sell products to most people, selling to luxury segment is temporary. In fact, recalled SJ said many years ago (forget where and when) that he wants Apple product to be priced at 10% above white box eventually.
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Post by nagrani on Aug 9, 2013 9:42:29 GMT -8
For about $1500 in total - Someone can purchase almost all of the latest hardware from apple:
iPhone 5 iPad mini MacBook Air Apple TV iPod Shuffle
That's affordability to me
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Post by Mav on Aug 9, 2013 9:42:44 GMT -8
Using Steve's words against him/his company? What bunk.
The only bit that makes any shred of sense is smartphone growth until you actually bother to try and grasp the profit dynamics and Apple's product philosophy. Also, heh, easy to hate on Apple the furthest distance from new product. That changes...soon.
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Post by nagrani on Aug 9, 2013 10:11:22 GMT -8
I usually don't share my trades with the crew here but I wanted to share one I just made. I bought a bunch of the 450s that expire next week. I don't think option holders want to take a risk of the ITC ruling coming in after hours today so I think they will close out early causing a late afternoon pop in apple. If it doesn't happen - ill close out monday with a minor loss. Do your own dd but I like this trade.
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Post by Lstream on Aug 9, 2013 10:20:23 GMT -8
I have to agree with Lstream on this. I think it is just courteous to let people know the source of the story. It is not about the content, it id about allowing people to choose who they support with clicks Absolutely. I believe that the new Forbes business model with their "Contributor" Network is link bait journalism at its worst. It is especially sad, due to the outstanding history of this publication. It used to be my favourite business publication. I want to choose who I support with clicks and who I don't. I have personally blacklisted Forbes. If there is a quote that shows that maybe the story is something worth reading, then I may go to their site anyway. But in today's case, if I had know that quote came from Forbes I would never have clicked. In today's world, the only way these sites get rewarded is with clicks. I don't like supporting sites by surprise.
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Post by macwire on Aug 9, 2013 11:13:41 GMT -8
So. Hard rejection at 200 day. Was my thesis all long and still didn't get out at the high. Man it impossible to separate emotion from trading. Still logged a healthy profit but there is just some kind of emotional pull I feel with aapl. Lol
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Aug 9, 2013 11:38:18 GMT -8
Next week is the last monthly OE before a whole stampede of things are going to happen. By the next monthly OE, September 20 (21st technically) I strongly believe we will have had an Apple event and maybe even the start of sales of new iphone(s), Ipad, etc. I would say that this is more likely than not, as I expect the event to be September 10th and product rolling on on the 13th.
So, each day we go from today through the day the invitations hit the inboxes is going to be a potential "pop" day. If we get through next Friday at 455, 460 or 465, the weeks after provide real opportunity for positive movement, as news......will.....be.....coming.
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Post by terps530 on Aug 9, 2013 11:47:21 GMT -8
So. Hard rejection at 200 day. Was my thesis all long and still didn't get out at the high. Man it impossible to separate emotion from trading. Still logged a healthy profit but there is just some kind of emotional pull I feel with aapl. Lol hah- i had put spread orders in which would have triggered at about .50-1.00 higher, because of course I had to try to squeeze out every drop. Then I didn't want to pay more than my target, and missed out on a lot of $ as this has gone down. Though this is definitely ower than I would have expected, so I guess we'll see how monday goes and maybe set up a bullish move for hopefully the move back up.
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Post by Mav on Aug 9, 2013 11:55:52 GMT -8
As an active/swing type, I suffered my burns on Tuesday and have been on the sidelines ever since . Basic fibs say the trend isn't in danger until 448ish (for now I'm just treating the $3.05 discount as if it didn't happen), and that's measuring from the post-earnings move. But we'll be testing MAs again by then (EMA-8 is lost for now), and one thing I _don't_ want to see is AAPL decisively breaking below the uptrend price channel it's been in since around late June.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 12:00:47 GMT -8
For about $1500 in total - Someone can purchase almost all of the latest hardware from apple: iPhone 5 iPad mini MacBook Air Apple TV iPod Shuffle That's affordability to me How does this add up? iPhone 5 $600 iPad mini $250 MacBook Air $999 Apple TV $100 iPod Shuffle $100 That's around $2,000...I'm probably off a little on prices, but your numbers don't add up unless you're talking about a contract price for the iPhone.
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Post by Mav on Aug 9, 2013 12:01:44 GMT -8
Man, is it just me or did nothing look tradable through the weekend?
At least for me, may well be best to wait for a setup obvious to even me before jumping in. There's always opportunity somewhere in this market.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 12:18:09 GMT -8
Next week is the last monthly OE before a whole stampede of things are going to happen. By the next monthly OE, September 20 (21st technically) I strongly believe we will have had an Apple event and maybe even the start of sales of new iphone(s), Ipad, etc. I would say that this is more likely than not, as I expect the event to be September 10th and product rolling on on the 13th. So, each day we go from today through the day the invitations hit the inboxes is going to be a potential "pop" day. If we get through next Friday at 455, 460 or 465, the weeks after provide real opportunity for positive movement, as news......will.....be.....coming Concur completely, but couldn't help myself, bought August 23 expiries $470/$475s at 83¢ this morning. Don't worry Lovey, it is my only position (and a very small one at that), until after next week's Monthlies expiry. That's when I'm going to get back in, in a larger way. Even then, I'll be looking for marginal increases in my trading account, preparatory to October earnings play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 12:18:51 GMT -8
What the hell happened today? AAPL had 11k put contracts at $460 (5k call contracts) and 9k put contracts at $455 (1k call contracts).
I'm surprised no one is speculating about this, not even Travis. It is one of the strangest trading days I recall on an event-absent OPEX day.
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Post by Mav on Aug 9, 2013 12:24:05 GMT -8
Mercel, OpEx isn't always instructive. The dividend also complicated things for traders.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 13:03:10 GMT -8
Anyone have the history of OPEX last time the dividend was paid? The call OI WAS understated from the institutions wiping out the lower strikes to scoop up the dividend.
Is it also possible the option writers have become so fragmented that institutions didn't have the exposure to buy AAPL today?
AAPL is still going to grind with bias toward up as we head toward September. Last week of August is when I think we see invites, provided the hardware is ready (the software will be ready).
Mavericks can get released anytime, as it's on beta 5 and that's a safe marker for pre-GM.
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Post by Mav on Aug 9, 2013 13:06:02 GMT -8
What about iOS? It's beta 5 now, right? I forget how many betas iOS 6 had.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 13:07:18 GMT -8
Apple wins.
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Post by Mav on Aug 9, 2013 13:09:22 GMT -8
Sweet! WSJ says "mixed". Maybe I'll let Mueller weigh in.
EDIT: Looks like he got an "advance copy" or something - he has a full post up.
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