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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 6:16:56 GMT -8
"Apple iPhone 5s units will be severely constrained if all three colors (Gold, Silver, and Space Gray) people familiar with the matter told MacDailyNews." That's quite big news if true, but the story looks kind of unsubstantiated and what's with the typo in the sentence above? I'll believe when WSJ says it.
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Post by jmolloy on Sept 13, 2013 6:17:36 GMT -8
Why no pre order for iPhone 5s? Leo Laporte - now basically a full-time Google fanboy - was claiming it was a weak excuse for Apple to create lines and therefore hype. I have no idea why he still has so many Apple tracks at his empire because he basically spends his time slagging them off at every opportunity. "There is no reason why Apple should have a 64 bit processor in a smartphone", he claimed. Which is ironic because Samsung announced they'd have one too, pretty sharpish, even though Android isn't 64 bit ready... Which seems to be a rare case that Samsung knows that Apple have pushed forward once again and their marketing spend ain't going to be able to fix this one.
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Post by terps530 on Sept 13, 2013 6:17:39 GMT -8
apple website for 5C preorder has changed to say "Pre-order now and get free shipping. See cart for delivery details. From $99* "
i've never ordered my phones from the site before, but it free shipping standard or are they trying to sweeten the pot?
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Post by sponge on Sept 13, 2013 6:18:17 GMT -8
Are you in line? Do you need me to bring you soup? LOL I will be in line early at the ATT store next Friday. I am afraid I won't wake up early enough to get my 5S. I will be in Vegas this weekend. Will try to do some recon at their Apple stores there and learn about interest in the new phones.
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Post by calvinav on Sept 13, 2013 6:23:24 GMT -8
Small correction, 5s sales (not preorders) start at 12:01 am PST next Friday.
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Post by calvinav on Sept 13, 2013 6:24:11 GMT -8
apple website for 5C preorder has changed to say "Pre-order now and get free shipping. See cart for delivery details. From $99* " i've never ordered my phones from the site before, but it free shipping standard or are they trying to sweeten the pot? I believe free shipping has always been standard for iPhones.
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Post by Nevyn on Sept 13, 2013 6:28:48 GMT -8
Why no pre order for iPhone 5s? Leo Laporte - now basically a full-time Google fanboy - was claiming it was a weak excuse for Apple to create lines and therefore hype. I have no idea why he still has so many Apple tracks at his empire because he basically spends his time slagging them off at every opportunity. "There is no reason why Apple should have a 64 bit processor in a smartphone", he claimed. Which is ironic because Samsung announced they'd have one too, pretty sharpish, even though Android isn't 64 bit ready... Which seems to be a rare case that Samsung knows that Apple have pushed forward once again and their marketing spend ain't going to be able to fix this one. I have to disagree with you. I think Leo is on the whole fair wrt Apple. He is right about 64bit. Right now it doesn't get you much in terms of performance or features. It does allow Apple to lay the foundation for future products that actually need 64bit.
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Post by rickag on Sept 13, 2013 6:34:17 GMT -8
Being the cynic I am, I called Apple this morning to verify the iPhone 5S will actually be available in the store on 9/20 and was told yes it will be in the stores for sale and you will be able to leave that morning with an iPhone 5S in hand. (re: assuming you are willing to stand in line a few days in advance)
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Post by phoebear611 on Sept 13, 2013 6:40:24 GMT -8
Does anyone here understand why AAPL would not have set a date for pre-orders for the 5S? What is the rationale - surely there is one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 6:44:44 GMT -8
Are you in line? Do you need me to bring you soup? I'm hoping to catch one online at 12:01am next Friday. If not, I'll see how the lines are -- it's a short walk anyway to my Apple store anyway. I think these lines are definitely going to be Beatlesque.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 6:46:19 GMT -8
Does anyone here understand why AAPL would not have set a date for pre-orders for the 5S? What is the rationale - surely there is one. Best guess: Give the 5c a head start and excess demand for the 5s. The 5s would have brought down Apple servers, preventing the sales of the 5c. Really, I think it's that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 6:53:38 GMT -8
Let the spin doctors have their way with AAPL. It's going to let me buy more today. Shameful what passes for Apple commentary online and the boob tube these days.
I've been CNBC-free for the last six months (except for occasional video bites on the internet). My financial IQ is at least 10 points higher too.
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Post by rickag on Sept 13, 2013 7:01:10 GMT -8
Does anyone here understand why AAPL would not have set a date for pre-orders for the 5S? What is the rationale - surely there is one. Best guess: Give the 5c a head start and excess demand for the 5s. The 5s would have brought down Apple servers, preventing the sales of the 5c. Really, I think it's that simple. +1
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Post by jmolloy on Sept 13, 2013 7:10:03 GMT -8
He is right about 64bit. Right now it doesn't get you much in terms of performance or features. It does allow Apple to lay the foundation for future products that actually need 64bit. There are many smart minds on twitter that disagree with the argument that it "doesn't get you much in terms of performance". But we shall see how it plays out, Nevyn. Ben Bajarin has a great article up today on this subject: The full article can be read techpinions.com/the-apple-a7-a-is-for-ambition/22934 here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 7:45:19 GMT -8
Yesterday Burgess wrote:
That would be true if the number of Open Contracts were decreasing. They aren't. OI is increasing strongly.
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Post by Nevyn on Sept 13, 2013 8:01:26 GMT -8
He is right about 64bit. Right now it doesn't get you much in terms of performance or features. It does allow Apple to lay the foundation for future products that actually need 64bit. There are many smart minds on twitter that disagree with the argument that it "doesn't get you much in terms of performance". But we shall see how it plays out, Nevyn. Ben Bajarin has a great article up today on this subject: The full article can be read techpinions.com/the-apple-a7-a-is-for-ambition/22934 here. That's a very superficial article. All he is saying is that Apple choice of dual core 64 bit is better than quad core 32 bit. He is saying 64 bit gets you 2x performance which is not true. I do think Apple made the right choice with dual core. I have seen studies where performance has been profiled and the third and fourth core get used maybe a few percent of the time even with demanding applications. I don't doubt that the A7 is a great performance part and that is indeed 2X faster than the A6. My only quibble is whether 64 bit in itself buys much in the way of performance. From what I have been reading the performance is more due to the ARMv8 ISA and improvements in the pipeline. That is probably too fine a point to market to common users. 64 bit vs 32 bit (and also 4core vs 2 core) is much easier to market. If I have a chance on the weekend I'll do some more digging on ARMv8 and write a post on the weekend thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 8:05:09 GMT -8
On the surface VAT (a consumption tax) looks exorbitant. In reality it isn't because China does not tax income (a pro toon tax). Neither the worker, nor the manufacturer pay income taxes. This method of taxation is very beneficial to exporters, because their product carries no embedded tax burden. If China taxed production at even half the US rate, Apple and hundreds of other manufacturers wouldn't be there
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Post by Lstream on Sept 13, 2013 8:12:35 GMT -8
There are many smart minds on twitter that disagree with the argument that it "doesn't get you much in terms of performance". But we shall see how it plays out, Nevyn. Ben Bajarin has a great article up today on this subject: The full article can be read techpinions.com/the-apple-a7-a-is-for-ambition/22934 here. That's a very superficial article. All he is saying is that Apple choice of dual core 64 bit is better than quad core 32 bit. He is saying 64 bit gets you 2x performance which is not true. I do think Apple made the right choice with dual core. I have seen studies where performance has been profiled and the third and fourth core get used maybe a few percent of the time even with demanding applications. I don't doubt that the A7 is a great performance part and that is indeed 2X faster than the A6. My only quibble is whether 64 bit in itself buys much in the way of performance. From what I have been reading the performance is more due to the ARMv8 ISA and improvements in the pipeline. That is probably too fine a point to market to common users. 64 bit vs 32 bit (and also 4core vs 2 core) is much easier to market. If I have a chance on the weekend I'll do some more digging on ARMv8 and write a post on the weekend thread. If Samsung had been first to market with 64 bit, there would be no critical thinking attached to the decision at all. All of the dunderheads in the press who comment on stuff they know nothing about, would be falling all over themselves praising Samsung for their innovation, and slamming Apple for falling behind. But slamming Apple drives page hits, and these hypocrites get the most mileage by saying Apple made a worthless decision in moving to 64 bit. They have no clue, and will always have no clue.
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Post by Nevyn on Sept 13, 2013 8:12:37 GMT -8
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Post by mjuarez on Sept 13, 2013 8:16:57 GMT -8
There are many smart minds on twitter that disagree with the argument that it "doesn't get you much in terms of performance". But we shall see how it plays out, Nevyn. Ben Bajarin has a great article up today on this subject: The full article can be read techpinions.com/the-apple-a7-a-is-for-ambition/22934 here. That's a very superficial article. All he is saying is that Apple choice of dual core 64 bit is better than quad core 32 bit. He is saying 64 bit gets you 2x performance which is not true. I do think Apple made the right choice with dual core. I have seen studies where performance has been profiled and the third and fourth core get used maybe a few percent of the time even with demanding applications. I don't doubt that the A7 is a great performance part and that is indeed 2X faster than the A6. My only quibble is whether 64 bit in itself buys much in the way of performance. From what I have been reading the performance is more due to the ARMv8 ISA and improvements in the pipeline. That is probably too fine a point to market to common users. 64 bit vs 32 bit (and also 4core vs 2 core) is much easier to market. If I have a chance on the weekend I'll do some more digging on ARMv8 and write a post on the weekend thread. Remember also that the A7 is probably the same exact chip the new iPad 5 is getting. The iPad would probably get a much bigger boost from more memory access, wider data bus for processing, etc. It makes sense to use the same chip, to reduce per-unit cost, and then even if the iPhone doesn't need it, it doesn't hurt to advertise its advantages.
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Post by Nevyn on Sept 13, 2013 8:21:55 GMT -8
Some of us are cpu geeks. We would be having the same discussion if it was Samsung. I thought that Samsung big.little 4x4 chip was overkill and really didn't buy them much. Samsung brute force vs Apple elegance. In the end Samsung was forced to use the Qualcomm chip due to power requirements.
Press focus helps Apple more than it hurts it. The more page views the better. Samsung has to spend much more than Apple to get the same exposure. It may not help the stock, but it sure helps Apple sell products.
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Post by incorrigible on Sept 13, 2013 8:24:34 GMT -8
Does anyone here understand why AAPL would not have set a date for pre-orders for the 5S? What is the rationale - surely there is one. My guess is to gauge the interest in the 5C before committing production to one or the other.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Sept 13, 2013 8:30:54 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 8:32:09 GMT -8
Sprint in yellow is still available with contract.
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Post by Mav on Sept 13, 2013 8:32:38 GMT -8
Curious, Mercel. You'd think that at this point, Apple hasn't 100% committed to 5C propositioning. Could be a sign of pre allocated supply since 5C is still quoted to deliver at launch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 8:33:16 GMT -8
Does anyone here understand why AAPL would not have set a date for pre-orders for the 5S? What is the rationale - surely there is one. My guess is to gauge the interest in the 5C before committing production to one or the other. Are you serious? Apple KNOWS the 5s is going to be a blockbuster. Putting a year old phone in colored polycarbonate isn't going to change that.
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Post by ibuyer on Sept 13, 2013 8:34:32 GMT -8
On the surface VAT (a consumption tax) looks exorbitant. In reality it isn't because China does not tax income (a pro toon tax). Neither the worker, nor the manufacturer pay income taxes. This method of taxation is very beneficial to exporters, because their product carries no embedded tax burden. If China taxed production at even half the US rate, Apple and hundreds of other manufacturers wouldn't be there No income tax and corporate tax? Where is your source? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_China#Individual_income_taxfrom [RMB]to [RMB] tax rate [%] quick deduction [RMB] 0 1500 3 0 1500 4500 10 105 4500 9000 20 555 9000 35000 25 1005 35000 55000 30 2755 55000 80000 35 5505 Corporate income tax rate: 25% www.pwchk.com/home/eng/prctax_corp_overview_taxation.html~~~~! “I'm often wrong, but never in doubt.” ~ Ivy Baker Priest
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 8:35:00 GMT -8
Curious, Mercel. You'd think that at this point, Apple hasn't 100% committed to 5C propositioning. Could be a sign of pre allocated supply since 5C is still quoted to deliver at launch. Apple probably committed to 125% of what the 4s production a year ago but with the extra colors, that supply may prove too thin.
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Post by Mav on Sept 13, 2013 8:36:05 GMT -8
Whoa. UNLOCKED 5C inventory of any kind is selling out? China Mobile demand asserting itself?
Sky blue would've been my 5C color of choice. It presented damn well in the product video.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 9:12:50 GMT -8
I don't know of anyone getting the 5C. I think it may have been a good idea to have brought forward something new into that design, other than the enclosure, to show it was some form of upgrade over the 5. Like the camera and the dual flash. That would still leave a lot of differentiation between it and the 5S. I think we aren't properly distanced from apple to judge the attractiveness of the device.. Remember that almost half of iphone sales this year have been the 4 & 4S - and obviously the 5 was a better phone. So in that respect the 5C is a much better phone compared to the 5S than the 4S was to the 5, would you agree? I see your point, and its a good one, but in my estimation the gap between 1st tier, and 2nd tier, widened with the 5S. The value gained for a measly $100 is well worth the investment. I don't see 5S sales being hurt by the 5C. To me, the primary function of the 5C is to provide a 2nd tier to China Mobile, otherwise there's no point in discontinuing the 5.
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