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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 13:55:13 GMT -8
Sydney Apple store about to open: Big line Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:01:36 GMT -8
I liked the TC interview.
Real company motto
Apple Inc, We Don't Do Junk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:04:16 GMT -8
Not sure why the price I bought makes any difference...if you're investing in Apple for the long term, then weeklies/monthlies are just noise. If Apple drops $20 because of some "report" of weak initial sales of the 5C and then it rises $20 next week because Apple releases the actual good numbers, what does it matter? Well, maybe you are planning on living forever, but some of us are not. Some of us are full time traders/investors. Some of us have already held a "long time." Some of us actually have large purchases to make before we turn 85. I am glad that you are absolutely certain that Apple will regain its all-time highs. Because, your investment situation is all that matters. The rest of us are gambling rabble. So if you're planning on selling this week, then bogus reports make a difference to you...if you're not planning to sell until the end of next week after Apple releases their actual first weekend sales, then this bogus report means nothing to you. I'm not certain Apple will ever regain it's all time highs...but when I look at the price today, with the dividend and share buyback I think the chances of Apple being higher a year from now are better than almost any other stock I can find, so that's why I'm investing in Apple for the long term. I could care less about short term noise because I'm investing for the long term. All the crap that comes out about weak demand or supply issues is proven right or wrong by Apple in their earnings reports. If AAPL falls $50 because of "weak demand reports" in November, it will be proven right or wrong in January. If it's wrong, then Apple will bounce higher. I'm sorry, but if you're investing in the short term then you're at the will of the crooks at Wall Street...over the long term I believe AAPL will rise and fall on earnings reports and how they're perceived. If I needed my money to retire shortly, I would not be investing a significant amount of my money in a single stock...too much risk and too volatile.
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Post by JDSoCal on Sept 19, 2013 14:10:36 GMT -8
Well, maybe you are planning on living forever, but some of us are not. Some of us are full time traders/investors. Some of us have already held a "long time." Some of us actually have large purchases to make before we turn 85. I am glad that you are absolutely certain that Apple will regain its all-time highs. Because, your investment situation is all that matters. The rest of us are gambling rabble. So if you're planning on selling this week, then bogus reports make a difference to you...if you're not planning to sell until the end of next week after Apple releases their actual first weekend sales, then this bogus report means nothing to you. I'm not certain Apple will ever regain it's all time highs...but when I look at the price today, with the dividend and share buyback I think the chances of Apple being higher a year from now are better than almost any other stock I can find, so that's why I'm investing in Apple for the long term. I could care less about short term noise because I'm investing for the long term. All the crap that comes out about weak demand or supply issues is proven right or wrong by Apple in their earnings reports. If AAPL falls $50 because of "weak demand reports" in November, it will be proven right or wrong in January. If it's wrong, then Apple will bounce higher. I'm sorry, but if you're investing in the short term then you're at the will of the crooks at Wall Street...over the long term I believe AAPL will rise and fall on earnings reports and how they're perceived. If I needed my money to retire shortly, I would not be investing a significant amount of my money in a single stock...too much risk and too volatile. As I implied above, you just lobbed a big "fuck you" to anyone who doesn't share your investment horizon or philosophy, some of whom post here regularly and got a haircut the past week. I'd just like to return the sentiment in full.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:14:45 GMT -8
OK, well I will apologize to anyone here that may have been offended...those who like to play weeklies are gamblers in my mind and if that offends anyone, I'm sorry.
To you though, I could care less now if it offended you as you're obviously an arrogant asshole.
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 19, 2013 14:37:41 GMT -8
Take it to PM, boys...
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Post by pauls on Sept 19, 2013 14:42:38 GMT -8
acceptance is complicity. For you maybe, for me no. I don't consider myself complicit in the CNBC crap, because I choose not to make a public spectacle on how much I disagree with it. As soon as you write these jokers, they know you are watching, which is all that matters to them. They prefer you to be pissed off instead of apathetic. +1
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Post by chinacat on Sept 19, 2013 15:29:55 GMT -8
Today WAS a Green Day, right?
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Post by gtrplyr on Sept 19, 2013 16:37:16 GMT -8
Today WAS a Green Day, right? Yes ... But we still hate each other ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 16:50:48 GMT -8
For you maybe, for me no. I don't consider myself complicit in the CNBC crap, because I choose not to make a public spectacle on how much I disagree with it. As soon as you write these jokers, they know you are watching, which is all that matters to them. They prefer you to be pissed off instead of apathetic. +1 Nope, but it's nice you've intercepted my letter and know what I wrote. In fact, I made it very clear I STOPPED watching and was encouraging everyone I knew to do the same. If more people would get off their dead ass and make an effort to push back, a lot of things could change. Memories are short, but it seems we know someone who said something about giving a damn and making a difference. Crazy thinking, I know. Ok, off the soap box. I have an order to place at 12:01am tomorrow.
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Post by Lstream on Sept 19, 2013 16:57:58 GMT -8
Nope, but it's nice you've intercepted my letter and know what I wrote. In fact, I made it very clear I STOPPED watching and was encouraging everyone I knew to do the same. If more people would get off their dead ass and make an effort to push back, a lot of things could change. Memories are short, but it seems we know someone who said something about giving a damn and making a difference. Crazy thinking, I know. Ok, off the soap box. I have an order to place at 12:01am tomorrow. You and I agree on a lot but not this. I am sick of your attitude on this stuff. Who the hell are you to insult with dead ass comments just because I am not joining your chosen crusade? I have other priorities for my time. Give it a rest.
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Post by pauls on Sept 19, 2013 17:12:58 GMT -8
There's giving a damn, and then there is tilting at the windmill that cable news in general has become. I think investors by and large are smart enough to take the raz ma tazz of cnbc (and countless other media outlets) with a grain of salt. At least the investors that move markets. Or not. Either way, a network will rise and fall on ad dollars, not angry letters. They already know i'm not watching or clicking or linking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 17:15:57 GMT -8
CNBC has it's lowest ratings in 15 years...who cares what they say?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 17:19:42 GMT -8
I replied because I believe you're wrong saying that writing them encourages them. Many people don't write because they ARE apathetic. Pretty sure that's an accurate statement.
And I was speaking generally, but the fact you took it personally is your decision, not mine.
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Post by Lstream on Sept 19, 2013 17:21:16 GMT -8
CNBC has it's lowest ratings in 15 years...who cares what they say? Yep, I refused to watch them starting years ago. Glad others are doing the same. Ignoring these jerks is the best way to hurt them.
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Post by nagrani on Sept 19, 2013 17:24:29 GMT -8
They are like the national enquirer of ws.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 17:26:23 GMT -8
CNBC has it's lowest ratings in 15 years...who cares what they say? Well, Cramer was cited by others here last night for climbing aboard the AAPL bandwagon and helping AAPL in the AH. It's never just one interview or analyst comment but the cumulative damage that has in fact influenced negative sentiment toward AAPL. It's not so hard to understand when you combine the celebrity status of Apple, Inc. and negative news. PED's a shining star when it comes to balanced reporting about Apple, Inc. I remember chatting with a banker who was very well connected with names you read about in the WSJ. Clearly, he shares my opinion WS is broken and we need a clean sheet solution. His words? "Start over..."
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Post by artman1033 on Sept 19, 2013 17:33:12 GMT -8
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Post by artman1033 on Sept 19, 2013 17:56:08 GMT -8
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Post by artman1033 on Sept 19, 2013 18:04:12 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 18:24:27 GMT -8
If the Apple stores stay supplied with iPhones, then we can see 4M iPhones sold to in-store customers alone between Friday and Sunday. That doesn't count resellers and carriers, but I'm reading reports the supply at these locations is very thin for the 5s.
If Apple runs out of iPhones to sell in the stores, then pre-order sales are going to put a 6M+ iPhone sales # at risk on Monday, unless the 5c pre orders got delivered Friday and Saturday total at least 1-2M and the carriers/resellers make a solid contribution (say 1=2M).
Channel fill of the 5c to third parties may make up the difference, if Apple reports things that way, which I doubt. Am I missing something?
Other way they hit a big # (8M):
1. Apple Stores: 4M 2. Carriers/Resellers 2M 3. 5c models delivered from pre orders 2m
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Post by JDSoCal on Sept 19, 2013 18:38:01 GMT -8
OK, well I will apologize to anyone here that may have been offended...those who like to play weeklies are gamblers in my mind and if that offends anyone, I'm sorry. To you though, I could care less now if it offended you as you're obviously an arrogant asshole. Quite a complement from the guy who came on here after this horrid week and, and taunted anyone without *his* long-term investment horizon and strategy as a sucker - on a board run by an active trader no less. So yeah, I'll say what many here are thinking, fuck you very much, and in deference to the moderator, any further communication should be in PM or on person.
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Post by prazan on Sept 19, 2013 18:53:39 GMT -8
After a powerful three day move like this, I don't expect much up tomorrow. If we close within a few point of where we closed today, it will be a good day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 19:08:38 GMT -8
Launch going well so far:
@huw_Griffith: Japanese news choppers are up over Ginza for the start of iPhone sales. Queue outside Apple store was 1km long, cops said.
@eyooncnbc: Has anyone bought a 5c yet? Everyone seems to be walking out with the GOLD 5s. #iPhone #Apple #China
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Post by prazan on Sept 19, 2013 19:17:12 GMT -8
I don't subscribe to the belief that false and negative reporting doesn't hurt the long term prospects of the stock, and the long term investor. No single article will likely matter six months from now, but cumulatively they sour sentiment and hurt the stock price in the long run. Hence the phrases, "death by a thousand paper cuts," and "nibbled to death by ducks."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 19:50:43 GMT -8
Death by 1,00 cuts. That's it. And I try very hard to measure fair and balanced coverage, but that's different than reporting an equal number of positive and negative stories, because the negative stories are far more likely to be complete B.S. And either CNBC either knows it or is too lazy to challenge the guest with better facts it should have on hand.
Peter Misek has embarrassed himself repeatedly as an analyst on Apple, yet CNBC still features his commentary. Has CNBC ever called him on his "analysis" (e.g. BBRY, Samsung, Apple) when he's been wrong? Not that I recall, or I would have likely seen it here, on CNBC's website, or earlier when I used to watch Squawk Talk. It's a wasteland of information -- just stream of consciousness stuff and opinion without accountability.
Yeah, that's more than irritating.
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Post by pauls on Sept 19, 2013 19:51:57 GMT -8
A thousand paper cuts is nothing but an annoyance to an elephant. Despite the negative reporting (who could deny it hurts sentiment?), the massive amounts of media attention Apple receives is largely positive, in effect if not intention, imo.
It's a consumer company like no other, with products that are so damn perfect, that consumers bond with on such an intimate level. The frenzy going on now (insane stampede for iOS7, insane lines for new phones that are all but guaranteed to be in short supply) is astounding. It can't be ignored, and can only be spun so far.
It was a fine green day and supply stream/product mix anxieties already priced in. And it doesn't take 6 months for a story to fade, the sticker shock 5c story has already simmered way down in less than a week by the simple data of actual subsidized pricing, robust discounting by retailers, and seemingly robust availability.
In my view, it's more a case of "the dogs bark but the caravan moves on".
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Post by Mav on Sept 19, 2013 19:57:13 GMT -8
1,000 cuts may not matter to Apple.
Most of us here aren't as well-funded.
Now as far as sales from Apple Stores themselves, Mercel, I think you're asking too much from Apple Store employees to move 4M iPhones on their own. I refer you to my thought exercise from a couple days back:
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Post by pauls on Sept 19, 2013 20:00:32 GMT -8
I'm feeling extra long/bullish at the moment, so I'll just add-- Can you imagine what it must be like for an average Android user to witness this white hot attention being placed on Apples new phones and OS? It's new ads? The quotes being generated by the PR blitz at Bloomberg and USA today? The reviews? I think some switchers are going to be created over the next serveral days. And CNBC can't do a damn thing about it.
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Post by Plato on Sept 19, 2013 20:07:55 GMT -8
Apple Store down … getting ready for the 5S orders to role in. I wonder when it will be back up .. hope before 12AM PST
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