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Post by appledoc on Oct 6, 2013 15:01:09 GMT -8
Agree. This place is getting entirely ridiculous. And I acknowledge that this latest bunch of garbage is partially my fault. Soon all we will have is one poster complaining about CNBC. I hate to see the board go down like this. Conversation dominated by a handful of people who largely have no idea what they're talking about.
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Post by gtrplyr on Oct 6, 2013 16:29:16 GMT -8
The iPhone 4S did not have LTE. Could the issue be related to tha iPhone 5S reception of LTE provided by your carrier. Just a thought The strange part, is that I hear the other end of the call just fine. I sound muffled. So the network is an unlikely culprit. I can't tell you how many times I can hear the call fine and they can't hear me. I have a iPhone5 with AT&T and it sucks at my house .... works pretty well EVERYWHERE else .... I'd peg the culprit more as the network but I don't want to discount your experience .... let us know how it works out. BTW , if you do return it what are you going to get ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 16:38:33 GMT -8
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Oct 6, 2013 16:48:39 GMT -8
Certainly seems contentious around here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 16:57:16 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Oct 6, 2013 17:37:11 GMT -8
The strange part, is that I hear the other end of the call just fine. I sound muffled. So the network is an unlikely culprit. I can't tell you how many times I can hear the call fine and they can't hear me. I have a iPhone5 with AT&T and it sucks at my house .... works pretty well EVERYWHERE else .... I'd peg the culprit more as the network but I don't want to discount your experience .... let us know how it works out. BTW , if you do return it what are you going to get ? I will just use my 4S and give the 5S some time to sort things out. I love the 5S otherwise, and will likely never own anything but an iPhone. As part of my troubleshooting, I tried Skype, and I still have the problem. That pretty much eliminates the network. The strange part of this problem, is that when my wife uses the phone she has no issues. This is one of the reasons I believe that noise cancellation going goofy might be the problem.
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Post by bud777 on Oct 6, 2013 18:00:31 GMT -8
Certainly seems contentious around here. You'r right Red. But the stock didn't take off like people wanted after the 5S and 5C, so perhaps some of the tantrums should be expected and forgiven. Another 100 points and we will all be gentlemen again. In the meantime, there is always ignore
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Post by nagrani on Oct 6, 2013 18:24:41 GMT -8
Interesting observation from a unscientific poll I just completed the second part of.
When the 5c was first announced - I went to twitter the Friday it came out. Out of 500 posts - 400 were either negative or making fun of the 5c (ie you would be a dumbass if you bought it over the 5s). Tonight - I did a similar survey and the opposite held true. Out of 500 posts - 400 were positive and 100 were negative.
You can do a similar survey yourself on twitter by just searching for 5c.
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Post by chasmac on Oct 6, 2013 18:24:51 GMT -8
Comparing itself to those "futuristic" watches is ridiculous IMO. I don't get it. I looks so clunky and they don't show you what it really does except for a few simulated screens. Never gona work.
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Post by prazan on Oct 6, 2013 18:25:40 GMT -8
One of the best posts in the history of AFB was recently posted by mcharliem, so the rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated, to paraphrase a misquotation of Mark Twain.
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Post by prazan on Oct 6, 2013 18:38:08 GMT -8
Anyone want to guess why TC and Icahn will be having another meeting again in less than 3 weeks? (presumably after earnings). Why would TC bother meeting with him again in just 3 weeks? What will have changed that would make a conversation between them any different? All Icahn is interested in is buybacks. Any change in buyback amount would be announced during an Earnings Report (if apple sticks to past behaviour). The next one is under 3 weeks away. Why would TC bother meeting with Icahn again to discuss buybacks immediately after October Earnings if there was no significant developments announced? This entire post is based on a single seemingly trivial tweet, but the timing mentioned in the tweet seems potentially telling to be a hint from TC that he will have something to talk about in 3 weeks. I'm sure many will think I'm reading to much into this, but have a think yourself and ask why you would schedule a meeting for an investor three weeks after having one, especially an investor who has stated he has little to discuss about your business other than your cash management. It's been 6 months since the biggest corporate share buyback in US history was announced. Apple management likely didn't expect the share price to have remained at such cheap levels, and so what better opportunity than to accelerate and increase the share buyback plan. I've yet to come across a single reason why this isn't a good idea. I suspect that Mr. Cook couldn't talk with Mr. Icahn about Apple's plans regarding buybacks without violating rules regarding the handling of confidential information. He couldn't have told Mr. Icahn about any planned increases in buybacks, and he also couldn't have flatly stated that Apple wasn't going to increase its buybacks. He couldn't have divulged anything about future buybacks, because that isn't public information. It makes sense to meet after the earnings report because then Apple's plans for the coming quarter will be made public. They can then have a discussion on those plans without violating confidential information rules.
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Post by qualitywte on Oct 6, 2013 18:42:11 GMT -8
I can't tell you how many times I can hear the call fine and they can't hear me. I have a iPhone5 with AT&T and it sucks at my house .... works pretty well EVERYWHERE else .... I'd peg the culprit more as the network but I don't want to discount your experience .... let us know how it works out. BTW , if you do return it what are you going to get ? I will just use my 4S and give the 5S some time to sort things out. I love the 5S otherwise, and will likely never own anything but an iPhone. As part of my troubleshooting, I tried Skype, and I still have the problem. That pretty much eliminates the network. The strange part of this problem, is that when my wife uses the phone she has no issues. This is one of the reasons I believe that noise cancellation going goofy might be the problem. I have the 4S and going all the way back to the original iPhone, I have noticed exceptional voice quality on most calls, but for some reason I always have a hard time understanding my daughter. She has a 4S too, so I dont know what it is. Maybe just some weird combination of voice, phone, carrier, frequency that just sounds "blurry".
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Post by appledoc on Oct 6, 2013 18:44:45 GMT -8
Certainly seems contentious around here. You'r right Red. But the stock didn't take off like people wanted after the 5S and 5C, so perhaps some of the tantrums should be expected and forgiven. Another 100 points and we will all be gentlemen again. In the meantime, there is always ignore Maybe that applies to others, but not me. I haven't had anything on the line since before the launch. I don't care what the stock does right now. Just waiting for my re-entry.
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 6, 2013 18:46:29 GMT -8
One of the best posts in the history of AFB was recently posted by mcharliem, so the rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated, to paraphrase a misquotation of Mark Twain. Well by all means then, run out and buy those Jan 14 500 calls.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 19:00:54 GMT -8
I suspect that Mr. Cook couldn't talk with Mr. Icahn about Apple's plans regarding buybacks without violating rules regarding the handling of confidential information. He couldn't have told Mr. Icahn about any planned increases in buybacks, and he also couldn't have flatly stated that Apple wasn't going to increase its buybacks. He couldn't have divulged anything about future buybacks, because that isn't public information. It makes sense to meet after the earnings report because then Apple's plans for the coming quarter will be made public. They can then have a discussion on those plans without violating confidential information rules. +1. You nailed it.
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Post by prazan on Oct 6, 2013 19:51:21 GMT -8
One of the best posts in the history of AFB was recently posted by mcharliem, so the rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated, to paraphrase a misquotation of Mark Twain. Well by all means then, run out and by those Jan 14 500 calls. Ah, JD, like the iPhone, several of your posts are always in the top five.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 20:44:28 GMT -8
Anyone want to guess why TC and Icahn will be having another meeting again in less than 3 weeks? (presumably after earnings). Why would TC bother meeting with him again in just 3 weeks? What will have changed that would make a conversation between them any different? All Icahn is interested in is buybacks. Any change in buyback amount would be announced during an Earnings Report (if apple sticks to past behaviour). The next one is under 3 weeks away. Why would TC bother meeting with Icahn again to discuss buybacks immediately after October Earnings if there was no significant developments announced? This entire post is based on a single seemingly trivial tweet, but the timing mentioned in the tweet seems potentially telling to be a hint from TC that he will have something to talk about in 3 weeks. I'm sure many will think I'm reading to much into this, but have a think yourself and ask why you would schedule a meeting for an investor three weeks after having one, especially an investor who has stated he has little to discuss about your business other than your cash management. It's been 6 months since the biggest corporate share buyback in US history was announced. Apple management likely didn't expect the share price to have remained at such cheap levels, and so what better opportunity than to accelerate and increase the share buyback plan. I've yet to come across a single reason why this isn't a good idea. I suspect that Mr. Cook couldn't talk with Mr. Icahn about Apple's plans regarding buybacks without violating rules regarding the handling of confidential information. He couldn't have told Mr. Icahn about any planned increases in buybacks, and he also couldn't have flatly stated that Apple wasn't going to increase its buybacks. He couldn't have divulged anything about future buybacks, because that isn't public information. It makes sense to meet after the earnings report because then Apple's plans for the coming quarter will be made public. They can then have a discussion on those plans without violating confidential information rules. Yes I agree completely that they could not discuss anything of substance at their meeting, and since the exact same situation would also apply in 3 weeks time, then the only reason to meet again would be because something of significant substance will be announced at earnings. Why else would the two of them bother to meet again 21 days later when they can't talk about anything of significance that hasn't already been said publicly? (On reflection, it might not necessarily indicate a buyback increase, it could be anything from a major acquisition, cash repatriation, accelerated repurchase, new debt offering, or nothing at all). Then again maybe Icahn just throws awesome toga parties.
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Post by Mav on Oct 6, 2013 22:00:19 GMT -8
Certainly seems contentious around here. I've been missing out on the fun. ;D
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Post by Lstream on Oct 7, 2013 1:25:03 GMT -8
You'r right Red. But the stock didn't take off like people wanted after the 5S and 5C, so perhaps some of the tantrums should be expected and forgiven. Another 100 points and we will all be gentlemen again. In the meantime, there is always ignore Maybe that applies to others, but not me. I haven't had anything on the line since before the launch. I don't care what the stock does right now. Just waiting for my re-entry. Does not apply to me either. I was lit up by having my credibility ridiculed and motives questioned for bringing up issues on not one, but two phones I have purchased. And in the case of the sensor issue, the attacker never even took the time to understand what I was actually saying, before coming after me personally. Plus the individual who basically called me a liar regarding the investment our company has made in iOS, never took me up on my PM offer to set the record straight. Just hit and run, from someone who apparently thinks they know everything about developing for iOS because they read an article on the subject. Ya, I am sick of the atmosphere here. And I am bullish on the company for crying out loud.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 2:12:02 GMT -8
Credibility ridiculed? Your sensitivity meter is really turned up. Do you even know what LOL means. Get a grip.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 2:25:24 GMT -8
Certainly seems contentious around here. I've been missing out on the fun. ;D Yeah, it's a real party. ;D
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Post by Lstream on Oct 7, 2013 2:27:25 GMT -8
Credibility ridiculed? Your sensitivity meter is really turned up. Do you even know what LOL means. Get a grip. Get a grip?! From the guy that bursts blood vessels every other day over CNBC, in sheer futility? Now that is LOL-worthy. You resort to personal attacks over and over again. Ya that is useful. Let's take this to PM if you think there is anything worth discussing, so that we keep this feud out of public view. If you can't handle my rare negative posts on Apple, how about attacking me in private instead? If you do it publicly, I am not going to sit back and take it or go away like other posters. And as a result, both of us end up ruining this place for others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 2:27:57 GMT -8
One of the best posts in the history of AFB was recently posted by mcharliem, so the rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated, to paraphrase a misquotation of Mark Twain. Well by all means then, run out and buy those Jan 14 500 calls. +1. Call walls are not projections of our imagination. They're real. Let's see what happens, though. Earnings in October, guidance, CM, and sentiment have been known to climb walls.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 2:30:43 GMT -8
Credibility ridiculed? Your sensitivity meter is really turned up. Do you even know what LOL means. Get a grip. Get a grip?! From the guy that bursts blood vessels every other day over CNBC, in sheer futility? Now that is LOL-worthy. You resort to personal attacks over and over again. Ya that is useful. Let's take this to PM if you think there is anything worth discussing, so that we keep this feud out of public view. If you can't handle my rare negative posts on Apple, how about attacking me in private instead? If you do it publicly, I am not going to sit back and take it or go away like other posters. And as a result, both of us end up ruining this place for others. My blood pressure is fine, thanks for your concern. And personal attacks? Hardly. You're hysterical now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 2:37:41 GMT -8
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Post by appledoc on Oct 7, 2013 2:39:11 GMT -8
No surprises here.
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Post by mcharliem on Oct 7, 2013 2:57:13 GMT -8
One of the best posts in the history of AFB was recently posted by mcharliem, so the rumors of our demise have been greatly exaggerated, to paraphrase a misquotation of Mark Twain. Thanks for the compliment. I've been a long time believer in AAPL both as an investment and as a customer, so I share a similar viewpoint to many on this board. My day job though is working for a trading firm on their options team, so it gives me a strong perspective from the other side as well.
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