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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 13:57:43 GMT -8
iPod is whatever. A "mere" $1B or so in quarterly revenue until the holiday season. Not directed at you, Mav. For any other Company, the iPod would be a MAJOR contributor to revenue. For Apple it is an entry point to the iTunes ecosystem and beyond. Concerns about iPod updates/revenue are misplaced. If the new iPod touch is using the same screen as the iPhone 5 - then Im happy for apple to delay the iPod as much as it wants to give priority of supply to the iPhone 5.
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 5, 2012 14:05:54 GMT -8
Haha. Best joke of the day. No one knows. You can act like you know, but it is a belief, not a knowledge. Time will tell. Some believe (like I) there won't be one. Other believe that there will be one. Yet we don't know. Well my belief is based on the knowledge that a guy Phil Schiller does personal demos for (Gruber) said an iPad Mini is coming, and that was confirmed by another guy with great Apple sources (Dalrymple). So if you believe those guys, then you have knowledge. Credo ut intelligam. Unless any of you have better sources than the two above, you're just substituting navel contemplation for fact (anyone know how to say that in Latin?), i.e., analysis.
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Post by rutgersguy92 on Oct 5, 2012 14:09:37 GMT -8
Having spent a lot of years in special ed I have to tell you that the excitement of going from non verbal to verbalization or from speech impairments of any kind to speech that communicates is a very exciting experience for everyone, but most of all for the person who can now share thoughts and feelings out loud . Sometimes it takes years to get to that point and any word uttered that can be comprehended by friends, families, and support systems is a huge thing. But I'm sure you're all aware of that and if the person who didn't speak as fast as many of us do deserves a bit of extra admiration and respect. And if the speedy mind of the investor with the slower speech got him in a great financial position I think that is an excellent human interest story. Well said. Thanks, Rosie.
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Post by adamthompson32 on Oct 5, 2012 14:19:23 GMT -8
Haha. Best joke of the day. No one knows. You can act like you know, but it is a belief, not a knowledge. Time will tell. Some believe (like I) there won't be one. Other believe that there will be one. Yet we don't know. Uhhhh...Lots of people know. Thousands of people in Asia know first hand and many others know as well. At this point, I'm as close as someone can be to "knowing" without actually "knowing". When the WSJ comes out and says their sources say the iPad Mini is in production....well, that means the iPad Mini is in production. Then you have Jim D. and John G. confirm it as well. Uhhhh...it's coming.
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Post by stkstalker on Oct 5, 2012 14:20:57 GMT -8
Having spent a lot of years in special ed I have to tell you that the excitement of going from non verbal to verbalization or from speech impairments of any kind to speech that communicates is a very exciting experience for everyone, but most of all for the person who can now share thoughts and feelings out loud . Sometimes it takes years to get to that point and any word uttered that can be comprehended by friends, families, and support systems is a huge thing. But I'm sure you're all aware of that and if the person who didn't speak as fast as many of us do deserves a bit of extra admiration and respect. And if the speedy mind of the investor with the slower speech got him in a great financial position I think that is an excellent human interest story. Well said. Thanks, Rosie. I just saw the CNBC clip on their website. I thought they did a great job and that the critical comments are way overboard. These are private individuals and to critique a supposed speech impediment is ridiculous!
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Post by adamthompson32 on Oct 5, 2012 14:23:39 GMT -8
Well said. Thanks, Rosie. I just saw the CNBC clip on their website. I thought they did a great job and that the critical comments are way overboard. These are private individuals and to critique a supposed speech impediment is ridiculous! I watched it again and thought they were awful. Not one strong point made between the three of them. To each their own.
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Post by stkstalker on Oct 5, 2012 14:27:50 GMT -8
No one knows. You can act like you know, but it is a belief, not a knowledge. Time will tell. Some believe (like I) there won't be one. Other believe that there will be one. Yet we don't know. Uhhhh...Lots of people know. Thousands of people in Asia know first hand and many others know as well. At this point, I'm as close as someone can be to "knowing" without actually "knowing". When the WSJ comes out and says their sources say the iPad Mini is in production....well, that means the iPad Mini is in production. Then you have Jim D. and John G. confirm it as well. Uhhhh...it's coming. A claim of knowledge on an appeal to authority succeeds or fails on the strength of the 'authority' - always a chance that you are listening to Jim Jones. That said, based on the history of Jim D. And John G., there is a very high probability we will soon have an iPad mini, IMO.
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Post by stkstalker on Oct 5, 2012 14:30:02 GMT -8
Got to run. Going to a dinner for Nick Perdomo
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Post by nate010203 on Oct 5, 2012 14:32:00 GMT -8
Is there still a chance we could see 700 by the end of the year?
Im not really sure what to do. I really hate to even mention this but Im considering selling everything and walking away from the stock market. I cant keep losing money everyday on a stock that has forgotten the color green.
At 690 Im considering selling, that would be break even on my last trade. Im so discusted with myself that I went all in full margin.
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 5, 2012 14:41:47 GMT -8
Robert X. Cringely quote:"You can’t order 10 million of something from China and keep it a secret.”
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Post by podboy on Oct 5, 2012 14:41:59 GMT -8
Nate, what do you think AAPL is worth? If I offered you 80 bucks for your 100 dollar bill, would you take the trade? Definitely not.... If you knew with reasonable certainty that an Apple dollar bill (1 share of stock) was worth 700, would you sell it for 652? It's easy to refuse a trade if you know you're getting ripped off.
If you want to know how to figure out what a share of stock is really worth, start off with google searches for, discounted cash flow analysis, and intrinsic value. Knowing what the stock is actually worth allows you to hold through the drops with confidence.
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Post by JDSoCal on Oct 5, 2012 15:06:34 GMT -8
Is there still a chance we could see 700 by the end of the year? Im not really sure what to do. I really hate to even mention this but Im considering selling everything and walking away from the stock market. I cant keep losing money everyday on a stock that has forgotten the color green. At 690 Im considering selling, that would be break even on my last trade. Im so discusted with myself that I went all in full margin. Nate, are you planning on dying in January? If not, Apple now pays you to hold their stock. You should be asking about Jan 15, not Jan 13.
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Post by adamthompson32 on Oct 5, 2012 15:34:23 GMT -8
Is there still a chance we could see 700 by the end of the year? Im not really sure what to do. I really hate to even mention this but Im considering selling everything and walking away from the stock market. I cant keep losing money everyday on a stock that has forgotten the color green. At 690 Im considering selling, that would be break even on my last trade. Im so discusted with myself that I went all in full margin. Nate, are you planning on dying in January? If not, Apple now pays you to hold their stock. You should be asking about Jan 15, not Jan 13. I am not convinced Nate is a real person. His sentiment supposedly shifts from one complete extreme to the other in a few days, or a few hours. Doesn't seem real. But if he is real, no question he should not ever invest in anything. Additionally, if he is real, his fear will make me more comfortable with my April 750 buys today.
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Post by macziggy on Oct 5, 2012 16:03:39 GMT -8
Max Pain for October stands at 640.
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Post by rickag on Oct 5, 2012 16:20:35 GMT -8
Is there still a chance we could see 700 by the end of the year? Im not really sure what to do. I really hate to even mention this but Im considering selling everything and walking away from the stock market. I cant keep losing money everyday on a stock that has forgotten the color green. At 690 Im considering selling, that would be break even on my last trade. Im so discusted with myself that I went all in full margin. Nate, what is so special about $700 by Jan? If you bought stock on margin I would think you would be more worried about a margin call. At what point would you be call on margin? Wish I could answer you, but I have never used margin and never will, I only invest what I can lose. Good luck.
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Post by mbeauch on Oct 5, 2012 16:20:53 GMT -8
Max Pain for October stands at 640. That is a lot of pain.
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Post by Lstream on Oct 5, 2012 16:29:47 GMT -8
Nate, are you planning on dying in January? If not, Apple now pays you to hold their stock. You should be asking about Jan 15, not Jan 13. I am not convinced Nate is a real person. His sentiment supposedly shifts from one complete extreme to the other in a few days, or a few hours. Doesn't seem real. But if he is real, no question he should not ever invest in anything. Additionally, if he is real, his fear will make me more comfortable with my April 750 buys today. He is either not real or incapable of listening. I go with door #1 - someone who is messing with us.
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Post by Mav on Oct 5, 2012 16:33:17 GMT -8
Max pain of 640, based on what?
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Post by nkmho on Oct 5, 2012 16:52:43 GMT -8
I am not convinced Nate is a real person. His sentiment supposedly shifts from one complete extreme to the other in a few days, or a few hours. Doesn't seem real. But if he is real, no question he should not ever invest in anything. Additionally, if he is real, his fear will make me more comfortable with my April 750 buys today. He is either not real or incapable of listening. I go with door #1 - someone who is messing with us. Maybe the ghost of Unique?
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Post by nate010203 on Oct 5, 2012 16:57:41 GMT -8
Margin call would probably be 500 a share, but at that point I would be out a LOT of money.
I would actually start losing money that I made this year if apple dipped below 550.
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Post by kloot on Oct 5, 2012 17:01:59 GMT -8
There isn't going to be an iPad mini. i'm curious - what is your reasoning behind thinking there will be no mini? the preponderance of 'usual' evidence says otherwise, no?
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Post by appledoc on Oct 5, 2012 17:05:49 GMT -8
I was thinking earlier today how I hadn't seen Nate here yet and how wonderful it was.
I don't know why you guys even respond to him. He doesn't listen. Ever.
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Post by platon on Oct 5, 2012 17:08:47 GMT -8
He is either not real or incapable of listening. I go with door #1 - someone who is messing with us. Maybe the ghost of Unique? After about his 3rd post I mentioned that he had a "Unique" style. Είναι ό, τι δεν φαίνεται.
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Post by appledoc on Oct 5, 2012 17:44:57 GMT -8
From Travis
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Post by nate010203 on Oct 5, 2012 17:51:53 GMT -8
Looks like apple is tanking because of foxconn.. there is a worker strike and all production has been halted. I dont see how all you people dont even bat an eye when you are losing thousands of dollars a day. I guess when your rich you dont give a damn I guess.. I am not rich and I need my money.. my entire life savings is in apple.. its not much but its everything I have. Yes I get concerned when I lose massive amounts of money. I really dont get why Im hated so much around here.
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Post by Tetrachloride on Oct 5, 2012 18:00:22 GMT -8
Right, let's knock off the smites for people posting any hard news. We live for hard news as well as the rumor to help us trade appropriately.
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Post by lovemyipad on Oct 5, 2012 18:03:02 GMT -8
NO PERSONAL ATTACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will delete posts with personal attacks, and then you will have to read/write 10,000 posts about the evils of censorship!!!
And to point out the obvious: If JD can manage to be tactful, the rest of you have NO excuses!!!
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Post by podboy on Oct 5, 2012 18:08:15 GMT -8
Looks like apple is tanking because of foxconn.. there is a worker strike and all production has been halted. I dont see how all you people dont even bat an eye when you are losing thousands of dollars a day. I guess when your rich you dont give a damn I guess.. I am not rich and I need my money.. my entire life savings is in apple.. its not much but its everything I have. Yes I get concerned when I lose massive amounts of money. I really dont get why Im hated so much around here. You have to understand that AAPL will not uptrend exponentially forever. There will be consolidation and it is healthy for the stock. You also have to understand the world of options and how the EO's manipulate AAPL so they can bank 100's of millions every chance they get. My advice, hold your current position. The stock will eventually rally, you are about to experience the best earnings report in AAPL's history in January.
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Post by Mav on Oct 5, 2012 18:15:54 GMT -8
NO PERSONAL ATTACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will delete posts with personal attacks, and then you will have to read/write 10,000 posts about the evils of censorship!!! And to point out the obvious: If JD can manage to be tactful, the rest of you have NO excuses!!! Wow, you're right! Y'know, JD has been downright... ambassadorial here. Add in Chas and MB keeping their cool...
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Post by icam on Oct 5, 2012 18:29:48 GMT -8
Looks like apple is tanking because of foxconn.. there is a worker strike and all production has been halted. I dont see how all you people dont even bat an eye when you are losing thousands of dollars a day. I guess when your rich you dont give a damn I guess.. I am not rich and I need my money.. my entire life savings is in apple.. its not much but its everything I have. Yes I get concerned when I lose massive amounts of money. I really dont get why Im hated so much around here. Nate - Maybe learn a lesson from having all your life savings in 1 investment. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Because if you put yourself in that position, you find yourself in the position your in now, unable to emotionally, and possibly financially, handle a drop in the stock price. Take responsibility. Learn from your mistakes. Make a new plan. Move on.
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