JDSoCal
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Post by JDSoCal on Jan 16, 2015 10:56:41 GMT -8
Well, if you're wondering why fewer and fewer perma-bulls come on this site, maybe it's because we didn't sign up for a support group to hear nervous nellies take an emotion dump every time AAPL drops. Honestly, it's getting old, and I'm referring to several people here. If you can't handle dips, you shouldn't be in the market. AAPL investing calls for brass balls, not hugs. Ha - Who said I can't handle the dip? I've been investing in AAPL since the 90s and I've been through my fair share of ups and downs. I'm still here, and doing better than ever. "We didn't sign up for a support group" -- is that the royal we? Because I've noticed that several people here enjoy sharing the ups and downs with each other. Yes, I am one of them. I like sharing my annoyance at the down market and the glee when it does well, with fellow AAPL investors who can empathize with each other. You may be empathy deficient, but please don't speak for everyone. I like learning from my mistakes and from hearing about the mistakes of others, that's how we grow as investors and people. And personally, I have no use for "perma-bulls" -- I prefer discussing the stock with fellow investors who can analyze a moment in the market with an open mind, with neither a automatically bullish or bearish bias. Of course, we all believe in Apple's bright future, so there's will be a bullish undercurrent in all of our conversations. But in my experience, I've gone most astray when I've been groupthinked too much by perma-bulls.Sorry to lead you so astray with my bullishness on a stock that has increased over 100 fold since I bought it. And if you haven't noticed the posting traffic drop off here, I can't help you. Empathy? I've been long AAPL for 22 years. I have empathy for wounded soldiers and people whose dogs have died. Sorry, but my cold conservative heart is all tapped out to listen to you cry about unrealized losses on a stock up 36% YoY. Shed your skirt and buck up.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Jan 16, 2015 10:59:12 GMT -8
Ha - Who said I can't handle the dip? I've been investing in AAPL since the 90s and I've been through my fair share of ups and downs. I'm still here, and doing better than ever. "We didn't sign up for a support group" -- is that the royal we? Because I've noticed that several people here enjoy sharing the ups and downs with each other. Yes, I am one of them. I like sharing my annoyance at the down market and the glee when it does well, with fellow AAPL investors who can empathize with each other. You may be empathy deficient, but please don't speak for everyone. I like learning from my mistakes and from hearing about the mistakes of others, that's how we grow as investors and people. And personally, I have no use for "perma-bulls" -- I prefer discussing the stock with fellow investors who can analyze a moment in the market with an open mind, with neither a automatically bullish or bearish bias. Of course, we all believe in Apple's bright future, so there's will be a bullish undercurrent in all of our conversations. But in my experience, I've gone most astray when I've been groupthinked too much by perma-bulls.Sorry to lead you so astray with my bullishness on a stock that has increased over 100 fold since I bought it. And if you haven't noticed the posting traffic drop off here, I can't help you. Empathy? I've been long AAPL for 22 years. I have empathy for wounded soldiers and people whose dogs have died. Sorry, but my cold conservative heart is all tapped out to listen to you cry about unrealized losses on a stock up 36% YoY. Shed your skirt and buck up. If you are wondering why people are leaving, maybe you should think about how you talk to people.
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Post by mace on Jan 16, 2015 11:06:09 GMT -8
archibaldtuttle,
Actually most Apple focused forum are quieter since Oct 5 2011.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jan 16, 2015 11:41:00 GMT -8
Yes there are a few that say $102 and as I mentioned earlier a few days ago there are some that think high $90's. I merely mentioned where the bulk of them are. You do remember that I said $95 to $105 was where several saw the bottom but you (Mace) said that was quite wide. I agree but different technicians seem to have different counts....and since I am still learning it is difficult to recreate. What do you see? Bottom should be inside the price congestion $94.77-$103.29, $100 most likely. Any re-bounce is suspect unless above $115. Yes Mace you seem to be in line as well but I can't help but wonder that if it ever got to the $100 mark if the Company draws the line there and continues to buy. Not sure but now that they have a finance person on the BOD they may be advising as to investor psychology as it pertains to that level. It's funny but I have spoken to many CEOs and Founders during my career and they would all say that they focus on the company and the market will take care of the stock. None claimed to be watching their stock in the least bit and yet whenever we would sit down to have a discussion - they knew where it was to the PENNY! Everyone tries to take the proverbial high road but in the end - we are all human.
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Post by chinacat on Jan 16, 2015 11:44:53 GMT -8
Just to lighten the mood a bit, and with apologies to all Patriots haters out there...
Regarding Microsoft Surface, the OFFICIAL NFL TABLET, here's what Darrelle Revis uses:
“Sometimes we’ll just be sitting in the locker room, like right now, and his iPad’s on and he’ll be cussing himself, and I’m like, ‘What’s wrong with you? Something happen?’ ” Arrington said. “And he’s looking at film from a previous week, where he can make corrections. That’s the kind of guy he is.”
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Post by tuffett on Jan 16, 2015 11:50:28 GMT -8
Already bought the dip on the last dip. Well, if you're wondering why fewer and fewer perma-bulls come on this site, maybe it's because we didn't sign up for a support group to hear nervous nellies take an emotion dump every time AAPL drops. Honestly, it's getting old, and I'm referring to several people here. If you can't handle dips, you shouldn't be in the market. AAPL investing calls for brass balls, not hugs. Permabull is a stupid stance to take. As is perma-anything. I disregard the opinions of self-labeled permabulls as it is an admission of inability to interpret new information without bias and and unwillingness to change your mind, even if it is warranted. There may come a point in time where AAPL may not be a great investment. So I'm not a permabull.
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Post by mark on Jan 16, 2015 12:02:13 GMT -8
53 million shares traded with 2.25 hours to go...no ordinary day....its January expiration...what joy! Note to self: avoid January 2016 - go on extended vacation to Bora Bora Just the OPPOSITE - apparently some of the best bargains can be found in January around option expiry time :-)
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Post by tuffett on Jan 16, 2015 12:02:33 GMT -8
Already bought the dip on the last dip. Well, if you're wondering why fewer and fewer perma-bulls come on this site, maybe it's because we didn't sign up for a support group to hear nervous nellies take an emotion dump every time AAPL drops. Honestly, it's getting old, and I'm referring to several people here. If you can't handle dips, you shouldn't be in the market. AAPL investing calls for brass balls, not hugs. You were pretty bullish two years ago as well when AAPL was among the worst performing stocks for a very long stretch. I was 3 years old 22 years ago so unfortunately I didn't have the funds to get in at the time. Congratulations on your incredibly low ACB and your magnificent profits - but that doesn't mean those of us who haven't been here as long know less than you do, nor does it mean AAPL will remain a good investment forever. It's easy for you to shrug off a 40% drop when you are up several thousand percent, but please realize that doesn't apply to the majority of us here. But you can keep reminding us how brilliant you are. As for whining, I doubt many of us care about the fact that you've been frozen out for the last little while and aren't able to trade, given your 100x profits and all. But you're allowed to whine, right?!
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Post by mark on Jan 16, 2015 12:35:22 GMT -8
I have an option order in that will most likely trigger when AAPL hits 105 or thereabouts. That may or may not happen today, and the probability is that it will never happen after Tuesday. I greatly dislike that my brokerage only takes option limits in units of $0.05 instead of to the penny!
So, should I bump it up by a nickel or not? (compounding the problem, I have to leave the office in the next 5 minutes or so)
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Post by Ted on Jan 16, 2015 12:45:00 GMT -8
Well, if you're wondering why fewer and fewer perma-bulls come on this site, maybe it's because we didn't sign up for a support group to hear nervous nellies take an emotion dump every time AAPL drops. Honestly, it's getting old, and I'm referring to several people here. If you can't handle dips, you shouldn't be in the market. AAPL investing calls for brass balls, not hugs. You were pretty bullish two years ago as well when AAPL was among the worst performing stocks for a very long stretch. I was 3 years old 22 years ago so unfortunately I didn't have the funds to get in at the time. Congratulations on your incredibly low ACB and your magnificent profits - but that doesn't mean those of us who haven't been here as long know less than you do, nor does it mean AAPL will remain a good investment forever. It's easy for you to shrug off a 40% drop when you are up several thousand percent, but please realize that doesn't apply to the majority of us here. But you can keep reminding us how brilliant you are. As for whining, I doubt many of us care about the fact that you've been frozen out for the last little while and aren't able to trade, given your 100x profits and all. But you're allowed to whine, right?! Jesus, enough. Get a grip. Tuffet, you complained for months and months when AAPL took the big dump two years ago. There's no need for more of it here. We're all older and wiser now. There is no such thing as a "perma-bull" anymore as they got slaughtered back then - see Sponge for details... By perma-bull, I believe, JD meant AAPL enthusiast. Anyway, let's move on. I for one am buying the dip and see us moving up nicely from here - or here-abouts...
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Post by phoebear611 on Jan 16, 2015 12:47:06 GMT -8
Just to lighten the mood a bit, and with apologies to all Patriots haters out there... Regarding Microsoft Surface, the OFFICIAL NFL TABLET, here's what Darrelle Revis uses: “Sometimes we’ll just be sitting in the locker room, like right now, and his iPad’s on and he’ll be cussing himself, and I’m like, ‘What’s wrong with you? Something happen?’ ” Arrington said. “And he’s looking at film from a previous week, where he can make corrections. That’s the kind of guy he is.” Whenever I think of Brady I think of Giselle yelling about the rest of the team during the Super Bowl against the Giants and saying that her husband can't be expected to do EVERYTHING! (I was embarrassed for him - geez!)
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Post by tuffett on Jan 16, 2015 13:00:13 GMT -8
You were pretty bullish two years ago as well when AAPL was among the worst performing stocks for a very long stretch. I was 3 years old 22 years ago so unfortunately I didn't have the funds to get in at the time. Congratulations on your incredibly low ACB and your magnificent profits - but that doesn't mean those of us who haven't been here as long know less than you do, nor does it mean AAPL will remain a good investment forever. It's easy for you to shrug off a 40% drop when you are up several thousand percent, but please realize that doesn't apply to the majority of us here. But you can keep reminding us how brilliant you are. As for whining, I doubt many of us care about the fact that you've been frozen out for the last little while and aren't able to trade, given your 100x profits and all. But you're allowed to whine, right?! Jesus, enough. Get a grip. Tuffet, you complained for months and months when AAPL took the big dump two years ago. There's no need for more of it here. We're all older and wiser now. There is no such thing as a "perma-bull" anymore as they got slaughtered back then - see Sponge for details... By perma-bull, I believe, JD meant AAPL enthusiast. Anyway, let's move on. I for one am buying the dip and see us moving up nicely from here - or here-abouts... That's kind of my point, and frankly I'd like to make it whether you approve or not. A "permabull" lecturing the rest of us is hilarious. And if you read though the thread, nobody here has really been whining. Just normal discourse which JD unnecessarily jumped on and had a hissy fit over. I'm not going to let the bully rule the playground just because he yells the loudest and has the most money. I bought a few more shares as well.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jan 16, 2015 13:07:41 GMT -8
Can't we all just agree that the Seattle Seahawks are the Apple of pro football and move on?
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Post by Odd-Lot Richard on Jan 16, 2015 13:29:30 GMT -8
I thought that was an encouraging close. Looks like the EOs got to delta neutral (or whatever it is they do) by 3:30 and went home.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jan 16, 2015 13:40:22 GMT -8
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Post by Luckychoices on Jan 16, 2015 13:52:23 GMT -8
Addressed to no one member in particular: “Are some of the members of this forum 12-years-old and too immature to handle rude or negative comments on the playground?” (Let me apologize for anyone who I offended with that comment. I assure you, I wasn't referring to you.)
I haven’t been a member of this forum the longest, I haven’t been an AAPL buyer the longest, I seldom post a comment…but damn. Why do some members find it necessary to respond to every perceived slight from another member? Who cares? For the most part, we don’t know each other personally and quite possibly the only thing we have in common is trading or investing in AAPL.
Even with my very infrequent posts, I’ve been the recipient of a few negative comments regarding a posting I’ve made. Some of those comments I’ve responded to and some not. But I never respond to get the last word or to try to “top” the person who made the comment. It’s not important to me.
I’m very enthusiastic about Apple, Inc and I’ve been invested in AAPL for a long time, so some people might label me a permabull. Does that mean I’d hold onto my AAPL stock, no matter what? Of course not! Things change. If I lost confidence in Apple, Inc, I’d sell it all. But meanwhile, after all these years of owning the stock, I know the ups and downs are what you can expect if you hold AAPL long term.
I read this forum several times during every single day and there are some comments (and members) I enjoy and agree with and others I do not. I tend to skim over the latter ones and occasionally "Like" the ones I agree with. That being said, there are presently 0 forum members that I wish would leave. And I doubt that it has gone unnoticed by most of us that there are some long time members of this forum, and its precursor, who NEVER have a harsh word for another member. I doubt this means they don’t have a negative reaction to some posts they read (or to some members), but they realize it’s not necessary to respond to every single one, just to state their opposition. And guess what, those same members seldom have a negative comment directed towards them. I’m hoping the attitude of these members will spread to the rest of us before the back-biting between members destroy the value of this forum.
However, for those members who can't get enough of heated, contentious environments, might I suggest a more suitable venue: finance.yahoo.com/mb/AAPL/ (shudder)
A few minutes spent in this forum, when needed, will allow you to "get it out of your system" and then return to this forum to calmly contribute to the discussion.
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Post by BillH on Jan 16, 2015 14:14:43 GMT -8
I'm not a fan of "heated contentious environments" but I seem to be calmed by environments where events and people behave as expected. JD ranting about this or that, phoebear and lovemyipad providing an intellectual/observational analysis of the days events, people appearing and then disappearing based on success/failure/indifference. Now is such a time so I actually find a great deal of comfort in the back and forth. "Once again, the world is traveling in greased grooves". As for my sometimes asked for advice re: AAPL? This is a multiyear event in a war that Apple has clearly won but has yet to fully unfold. Buy common...,hold it...,close your eyes because the ride won't be pretty. Cheers to the longs.
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Post by macster on Jan 16, 2015 14:36:41 GMT -8
Ban options or tax highly the transactions. That er solve the wild speculation in aapl price movement and bring more pleasant visiting experiences on this board. There... my first post. Under that user name. Cheers to the longs.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jan 16, 2015 14:46:48 GMT -8
Can't we all just agree that the Seattle Seahawks are the Apple of pro football and move on? NOTHING TO SEE HERE ... MOVE ALONG!
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Post by Luckychoices on Jan 16, 2015 15:04:36 GMT -8
This is a multiyear event in a war that Apple has clearly won but has yet to fully unfold. Buy common..., hold it...,close your eyes because the ride won't be pretty. Cheers to the longs. Succinctly stated, billh. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by galleybob on Jan 16, 2015 16:26:07 GMT -8
Perma bull here. I bought year 2000 so I have made 100X. Have never sold a share so I guess that's why I'm perma bull. I put my money in after a huge Apple drop and have seen it over the last 15 years to make huge gains and to come crashing down. I just look at the chart to remind me it goes up and down but have been able to retire early by holding steady. You definitely need a strong nerves if you have a lot invested. This is of course for the longs. I never had any interest in anything but buy and hold.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jan 16, 2015 16:26:09 GMT -8
I'm liking the strategy Mace said he was using. If I understood correctly, he uses options ordinarily but at times like these he flips into stock until the direction is resolved and in that way if it goes down it won't be horrible and if it goes up he still participates. I think I will jump on that bandwagon in 2015 -- I like it!
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Post by bud777 on Jan 16, 2015 16:57:55 GMT -8
I am still thinking about my plan to sell naked puts, but Fidelity (perhaps wisely) doesn't think I have the experience for that level of trading. Does anyone have a suggestion for a brokerage that will let me do it?
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Post by tuffett on Jan 16, 2015 17:43:03 GMT -8
Some brokers are so backwards thinking. Selling naked puts is no more risky than buying a stock outright (provided strike price is at or below current).
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Post by Odd-Lot Richard on Jan 16, 2015 19:23:57 GMT -8
Perma bull here. I bought year 2000 so I have made 100X. Have never sold a share so I guess that's why I'm perma bull. I put my money in after a huge Apple drop and have seen it over the last 15 years to make huge gains and to come crashing down. That was Septemberish, right? That was awful, like a 50% drop the day after earnings came out?
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Post by Odd-Lot Richard on Jan 16, 2015 19:31:03 GMT -8
I am still thinking about my plan to sell naked puts, but Fidelity (perhaps wisely) doesn't think I have the experience for that level of trading. Does anyone have a suggestion for a brokerage that will let me do it? It's not necessarily the broker—they have to make sure Finra and/or Sec don't come after them for touting products incompatible with your risk profile. Next account you try to open, open the account for speculative purposes, not growth or capital preservation. Put in the highest number of years you spent with options, even simple covered call selling. If you're not on margin, you can sell naked puts if you reserve enough cash or cash equivalents to cover the purchase. Phoebe may have better suggestions.
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Post by benoir on Jan 16, 2015 19:38:38 GMT -8
Perma bull here. I bought year 2000 so I have made 100X. Have never sold a share so I guess that's why I'm perma bull. I put my money in after a huge Apple drop and have seen it over the last 15 years to make huge gains and to come crashing down. That was Septemberish, right? That was awful, like a 50% drop the day after earnings came out? I bought in just after that crash and have been adding since. It was Octoberish I think.. Perma Long.....
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Post by galleybob on Jan 16, 2015 20:39:01 GMT -8
Not sure of the month but it was after terrible earnings. I think it dropped 50% at first and then it kept dropping until it was around $15 pre splits. I got in around $17. I think it was pretty much dead money for a few years until the iTunes Store was compatible with Windows and then the iPod sold like crazy. Looking back I made a crazy investment based on the new operating system. I had read that it was portable and thought that was a big deal. Now almost 15 years later it was a game changer for a lot of people who didn't follow the conventional wisdom of the time.
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Post by rickag on Jan 17, 2015 5:44:32 GMT -8
I am still thinking about my plan to sell naked puts, but Fidelity (perhaps wisely) doesn't think I have the experience for that level of trading. Does anyone have a suggestion for a brokerage that will let me do it? I used Trademonster, their fees seem very competitive and their charting is OK. Lately I have looked at Livevol. but I can't find anyone who has used them. What is interesting about Livevol is they are an analytics database company that sells services to brokerage houses like Nations and Trademonster. TestimonialsNations Trademonster I am guessing their tools should be good, pricing is interesting. Anyone here know anything about Livevol?
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