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Post by appledoc on Nov 7, 2012 7:02:38 GMT -8
Anyone who hasn't read Gregg's posts from late last night in previous Intraday, highly recommend...in no small part because I concur.
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Post by 4aapl on Nov 7, 2012 7:07:31 GMT -8
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Post by elmar on Nov 7, 2012 7:07:52 GMT -8
Is this finally the capitulation we have been all looking for? I certainly hope so - no many more shares left for swapping into options...
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Post by terps530 on Nov 7, 2012 7:08:54 GMT -8
So should we email the institutions to ask for when they all are buying or selling?
Seriously though, what are good ways to tell, or is that just a guessing game as well?
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Post by CdnPhoto on Nov 7, 2012 7:11:03 GMT -8
Reading that it's reports from the European Central Bank president saying regional debt crisis is starting to impact Germany.
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Post by alice on Nov 7, 2012 7:11:04 GMT -8
Anyone who hasn't read Gregg's posts from late last night in previous Intraday, highly recommend...in no small part because I concur. AAPL isn't facing anything, its just responding to what those with the ability to move markets are doing. If the institutions are buying AAPL goes up. If the institutions are selling AAPL goes down. It isn't any more complicated that that. There's no need to estimate EPS, units sold, supplier reliability, whatever. I've been deluding myself for quite a long time. In the early days (for me) my trading was quite successfully. I deluded myself into believing it was my forecasting. It was just a coincidence. AAPL goes up because the market movers (institutions) are buying. AAPL goes down because the market movers selling. There's no need to/understand EPS, guidance, GM %, market share, etc., just do what the institutions are doing, when they are doing it. While you are investing hundreds, maybe thousands, the institutions are investing millions, maybe billions. They move markets, you can only follow. So I'm going to follow. [/quote] I read Gregg's post but am not clear on how to tell when institutions are buying or selling early on and not after the fact. What are the early signs of institutions buying and selling? Thanks.
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Post by Lstream on Nov 7, 2012 7:11:13 GMT -8
So should we email the institutions to ask for when they all are buying or selling? Seriously though, what are good ways to tell, or is that just a guessing game as well? Take a good long stare at the bottom of your teacup.
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Post by spoonman on Nov 7, 2012 7:15:42 GMT -8
Got assigned today for the first time on my 395/405 for this January.
Woke up with my account down -12,000 and I had option buying power of -58,000. So in a margin call position.
Never been assigned before so i almost had a heart attack looking at my rig. I figured it was an assignment but wasn't sure what to do. Wound up exercising my 395, bought the stock back and paying out the dividends I now owed. Due to apple going down since I was short the stock for the morning I actually wound up making more money than I would have if i just held the spread to expiration.
Still didn't like going through that. haha I like keeping it simple.
btw this price drop stinks.
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Post by aaplexcelsior on Nov 7, 2012 7:16:52 GMT -8
I might as well...I'll be right eventually... Last, last flush!! Just hold on...it's almost done!! Ugh, I really hope so. This is horrible.
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Post by PikesPique on Nov 7, 2012 7:21:16 GMT -8
I might as well...I'll be right eventually... Last, last flush!! Just hold on...it's almost done!! Ugh, I really hope so. This is horrible. Yeah, it'd better be done. I'm back to where I was a year ago. That's a lot to give back in less than 2 months.
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Post by lance on Nov 7, 2012 7:29:07 GMT -8
AAPL approaching a nearly 90 dollar difference between current price and 50 day moving average. I have never seen such a huge gap. This will rebound will take while haha if it considering on a uptrend when above 50 day haha. Anyone have a prediction/guess of when AAPL will do two up days in a row.
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Post by Iceage on Nov 7, 2012 7:29:30 GMT -8
Still waiting for Zaky's +$20 day.
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Post by appledoc on Nov 7, 2012 7:29:47 GMT -8
LOD corresponds to a P/E 12.79, P/C 4.42, ex-cash PE 9.89.
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Post by JDSoCal on Nov 7, 2012 7:30:11 GMT -8
Hmm, entire market tanking. I wonder why that is.
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Post by appledoc on Nov 7, 2012 7:30:33 GMT -8
Still waiting for Zaky's +$20 day. May be an intraday swing. Just wait.
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Post by appledoc on Nov 7, 2012 7:30:58 GMT -8
RSI below 30 again.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Nov 7, 2012 7:34:32 GMT -8
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Post by Plato on Nov 7, 2012 7:36:08 GMT -8
Hmm, entire market tanking. I wonder why that is. Because of Draghi's remarks. The futures were flat this PM before that. Oh wait I get it now, you want to blame Obama for that .... never mind then.
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Post by rob_london on Nov 7, 2012 7:36:56 GMT -8
Perhaps following the comments from the Hon Hai chairman this morning, institutions perceive the iPhone 5 demand/ supply imbalance lasting longer than anticipated and more Apple profits will now be pushed back to Q2.
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Post by appledoc on Nov 7, 2012 7:42:08 GMT -8
Perhaps following the comments from the Hon Hai chairman this morning, institutions perceive the iPhone 5 demand/ supply imbalance lasting longer than anticipated and more Apple profits will now be pushed back to Q2. He also said that Foxconn International Holdings was helping to pick up the slack. What he really needs to do is shut up. That's not his place to make comments like that.
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Post by PikesPique on Nov 7, 2012 7:44:38 GMT -8
Yeah, Terry needs to learn a little OPSEC.
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Post by JDSoCal on Nov 7, 2012 7:45:28 GMT -8
Hmm, entire market tanking. I wonder why that is. Because of Draghi's remarks. The futures were flat this PM before that. Oh wait I get it now, you want to blame Obama for that .... never mind then. Right, the markets are happy about last night. Got it.
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Post by lance on Nov 7, 2012 7:50:56 GMT -8
safe to say 7 weeks straight down in the works. What is AAPL's record weekly downs in a row or could 7 be the record?
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Post by awcabot on Nov 7, 2012 7:54:24 GMT -8
Right, the markets are happy about last night. Got it. The markets, along with statisticians, knew beforehand the results from the yesterdays election long before today and are reacting to new news. Draghi's remarks are the most likely reason for todays decline in the S&P and Hon Hai's chairman for AAPL's decline.
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Post by tuffett on Nov 7, 2012 7:54:43 GMT -8
Still waiting for Zaky's +$20 day. Zaky knows nothing about the near term that you or I don't. He's been wrong over and over again.
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Post by Plato on Nov 7, 2012 7:54:54 GMT -8
Finally capitulation
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Post by appledoc on Nov 7, 2012 7:55:12 GMT -8
Europe sucks.
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Post by madmaxroi on Nov 7, 2012 7:56:12 GMT -8
Easy thing to would be to capitulate. Majority of my holdings are Jan 14 or later, so the EO can go stick it up their collective _______!
I do have a smidgen of Jan 13 and Apr 13, but can always use more toilet paper.
Better days ahead. Tune out and look forward.
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Post by nkmho on Nov 7, 2012 7:57:13 GMT -8
**pukes**
Going off to do some real work now...
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Post by Lstream on Nov 7, 2012 7:58:04 GMT -8
Of what? Certainly not the overall market. If it is next, then Apple blood letting may not be done.
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